How long until Bob is done building his army? We might need it soon.
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While censoring retarded ASCII art like this is good, I'm still disagreeing with this choice.
This isn't how to fix issues about the comment system, Google.
[QUOTE=Maruhai;42998978]While censoring retarded ASCII art like this is good, I'm still disagreeing with this choice.
This isn't how to fix issues about the comment system, Google.[/QUOTE]
The comment system is actually pretty nice now, I'd say it's far better than others (supports threads, very powerful comment visibility controls, very high maximum length...).
The commenters on most channels are complete idiots though.
Now that the ASCII art is gone, I'm noticing a huge reduction in spam. Of course, I'm also noticing a huge reduction in [I]commenting[/I] (about one tenth the amount it was previously), but I guess if google wanted to reduce spam then they've won.
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Bring it all back to 2009 please Google. That was perfect.
Ascii art was cool when it wasn't Bob spam. Nice while we had it until people made it even worse. Doesn't mean G+ should be required though
I love that they're trying to censor Bob's 'resistance', makes it seem like an actual revolution
I love how this is about money instead of the people using the site.
It's fine for a buisness to make money, but when your money making schemes interfere with your userbase then you're doing it wrong.
Imagine if someone payed Garry money to make this home to the official deviantart forums
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;43001956]I love how this is about money instead of the people using the site.
It's fine for a buisness to make money, but when your money making schemes interfere with your userbase then you're doing it wrong.
Imagine if someone payed Garry money to make this home to the official deviantart forums[/QUOTE]
I'm not seeing where Google integrating their services more is causing a problem for the average user? I log in to Youtube with my account (my old one at that), I go to a video, and I comment. Done. No Google+ redirection, no excessive work, nothing. It works almost exactly like the old system but with the added ability for comments from outside Youtube to be part of discussions.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43002190]I'm not seeing where Google integrating their services more is causing a problem for the average user? I log in to Youtube with my account (my old one at that), I go to a video, and I comment. Done. No Google+ redirection, no excessive work, nothing. It works almost exactly like the old system but with the added ability for comments from outside Youtube to be part of discussions.[/QUOTE]
Before the whole comments system google+ integration, I was constantly pestered by notifications to use my google+ account and I kept telling them to fuck off. Sometimes it would automatically link it on mobile devices and console platforms without my consent. This really just tells me that they are desperate for me to use their services instead of acting like a decent corporation and using legitimate means of peaking interests in their service such as implementing unique features and advertisements that are not annoying.
I don't want to use my real name on my youtube account considering I make controversial videos and most of my google+ contacts and whatnot are school related so I don't want to deal with people who've had their feelings hurt unintentionally.
Plus their new commenting system, as mentioned, really helps those who wish to spam links such as unwanted pornography, viruses, and other unneeded garbage we could do without. I can't even think about how someone could fuck up so bad by doing this.
Google+ integration should be optional for some people, instead of forcing people to use it.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;43002401]Before the whole comments system google+ integration, I was constantly pestered by notifications to use my google+ account and I kept telling them to fuck off. Sometimes it would automatically link it on mobile devices and console platforms without my consent. This really just tells me that they are desperate for me to use their services instead of acting like a decent corporation and using legitimate means of peaking interests in their service such as implementing unique features and advertisements that are not annoying.
I don't want to use my real name on my youtube account considering I make controversial videos and most of my google+ contacts and whatnot are school related so I don't want to deal with people who've had their feelings hurt unintentionally.
Plus their new commenting system, as mentioned, really helps those who wish to spam links such as unwanted pornography, viruses, and other unneeded garbage we could do without. I can't even think about how someone could fuck up so bad by doing this.
Google+ integration should be optional for some people, instead of forcing people to use it.[/QUOTE]
You don't have to use your real name or anything like that. If you opt-out of using your real name, G+ automatically creates a page for the Youtube account you use, not you. You can then ignore that page entirely. It has zero ties to you personally unless you add them yourself (believe me, I checked the shit out of this stuff when it first happened).
It is a bit annoying when it forgets the account you want to use, but that sort of bug has been getting less annoying over time. Mine has only asked me which account to use twice in the last month. Compared to every time a few months ago. So they are working on it at least.
And as for comments, they are now taking measures to actually fix it. I quite like the idea of the discussions being like this as you can actually post reasonable sized posts now without cutting it up. But it does mean Google need to get their ass in gear and get proper spam detection running now.
Actually using G+ is still entirely optional, yeah sure by extension everything you do on Youtube is now also G+, but you never have to tie your name to the account, never have to actually visit G+ itself, etc.
Google's done [B]ANYTHING[/B] it can to get you to use Google+
They even went as far as making it incredibly confusing to opt-out of transforming your Youtube account into a Google+ one.
And the Youtube support were constantly pressuring me to continue using Google+ with Youtube.
Literally had to resort to calling the support member a shitbrained inbred idiot before he backed down with the [I]"Google+ is fine"[/I] bullshit and reverted it for me.
IF that isn't shitty tacticts to boost Google+, then tell me what is.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;42999010]The comment system is actually pretty nice now, I'd say it's far better than others (supports threads, very powerful comment visibility controls, very high maximum length...).
The commenters on most channels are complete idiots though.[/QUOTE]
It's a fucking comments section, not a forum, why does it need any of that crap?
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;43009213]It's a fucking comments section, not a forum, why does it need any of that crap?[/QUOTE]
Because people like to have really long arguments there and the change gets some order into the whole thing.
Comment systems are a good place for threaded conversations because you can't really go somewhere else easily to continue the discussion.
The new system also collapses long discussions by default and gets them out of the way like that.
In a forum the flat ordered format is perfect because you can just make a new thread if you derail too much.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;43001284]Ascii art was cool when it wasn't Bob spam. Nice while we had it until people made it even worse. Doesn't mean G+ should be required though[/QUOTE]
The only ASCII art I've seen was Bob Stickman's army, doge, and big dicks. And sometimes entire Wikipedia entries.
google+ services and many youtube services suddenly dont work for me using firefox. is this a part of their changes?
managing comments on my videos has been not great. i'm not ok with this.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;43010514]google+ services and many youtube services suddenly dont work for me using firefox. is this a part of their changes?
managing comments on my videos has been not great. i'm not ok with this.[/QUOTE]
File a complaint then.
There's a "report" button on the bottom of most Youtube pages.
[QUOTE=Van-man;43010545]File a complaint then.
There's a "report" button on the bottom of most Youtube pages.[/QUOTE]
i have. and tried their support. and their forum.
you're implying that they care. many of their top subscribed content creators are disabling their comments section and finding better solutions because theyre such a pain in the ass to manage. when legit comments are put up for review as spam and youtube doesn't allow me to correctly review them as a legit comment (as in, the button just doesn't work), shit is straight up broken. this shouldn't be difficult to fix.
[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;43009925]The only ASCII art I've seen was Bob Stickman's army, doge, and big dicks. And sometimes entire Wikipedia entries.[/QUOTE]
I went around and posted the entirety of Pride and Prejudice to people's videos.
Oh god, the BBC actually linked to PewDiePie.
Not sure what to think of that, surely they could have gone for another well know commentator who would be slightly more appropriate.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43010592]I went around and posted the entirety of Pride and Prejudice to people's videos.[/QUOTE]
I tried to post Pi down to it's billionth digit, but my browser kept on crashing :v:
[editline]28th November 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Terminutter;43010671]Oh god, the BBC actually linked to PewDiePie.
Not sure what to think of that, surely they could have gone for another well know commentator who would be slightly more appropriate.[/QUOTE]
He's well known and got a shitload of regular viewers, they don't care if it's for good or bad reasons.
[QUOTE=Van-man;43010706]
He's well known and got a shitload of regular viewers, they don't care if it's for good or bad reasons.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'd have just thought that they'd have wanted a channel that didn't have a high chance of rape jokes and such. They're normally fairly strict with the links they post. I don't really mind, just found it fairly amusing.
The video they linked is clean though, so that could be it.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43002190]I'm not seeing where Google integrating their services more is causing a problem for the average user? I log in to Youtube with my account (my old one at that), I go to a video, and I comment. Done. No Google+ redirection, no excessive work, nothing. It works almost exactly like the old system but with the added ability for comments from outside Youtube to be part of discussions.[/QUOTE]
It starts interfering with a lot of people's typical usage, most of all when they have various different identities associated to their various google accounts. One for gmail, one for youtube and for the rare few one for g+. Suddenly you're essentially forced to deal with constant popups about merging of names, google's pressure about it being your real name, a crosslinking of accounts you might not want and a bunch of other stuff.
On top of that the change to the comment system kinda broke a lot of ways the commenting worked.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;43012439]It starts interfering with a lot of people's typical usage, most of all when they have various different identities associated to their various google accounts. One for gmail, one for youtube and for the rare few one for g+. Suddenly you're essentially forced to deal with constant popups about merging of names, google's pressure about it being your real name, a crosslinking of accounts you might not want and a bunch of other stuff.
On top of that the change to the comment system kinda broke a lot of ways the commenting worked.[/QUOTE]
There's zero "pressure" to use your real name. Once you've set up the G+ page for the account (which is a single click might I add), that's it. It won't ask you to use your name for that account. It might forget that you picked that account for that service mind, but that isn't happening 24/7 now.
The comments system is a bit buggered right now as all the legacy comments are sort of there, sort of not. But that won't be too much an issue after a little while, the comments sections will eventually return to similar functionality, or Google will find a elegant way to merge the two types together (not as likely to be honest).
Let's not forget the fact that every single comment made before the YouTube+ mutation is now unable to be replied or rated, and whatever ratings they did have are now gone. All you can do is report them.
[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;43013258]Let's not forget the fact that every single comment made before the YouTube+ mutation is now unable to be replied or rated, and whatever ratings they did have are now gone. All you can do is report them.[/QUOTE]
I could never rate comments before anyway.
But now I can't interact with them at all, not rate, not respond, not even make a new comment. They might as well just paste "comments.jpg" at the bottom of every page, it's got the same level of intractability.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43012463]There's zero "pressure" to use your real name. Once you've set up the G+ page for the account (which is a single click might I add), that's it. It won't ask you to use your name for that account. It might forget that you picked that account for that service mind, but that isn't happening 24/7 now.
The comments system is a bit buggered right now as all the legacy comments are sort of there, sort of not. But that won't be too much an issue after a little while, the comments sections will eventually return to similar functionality, or Google will find a elegant way to merge the two types together (not as likely to be honest).[/QUOTE]
I like how the average youtuber weren't consulted [B]AT ALL[/B] during beta testing, I also like how you now [B]NEED[/B] a Google+ account just to comment/reply/rate (to) a post.
I also like how even those with a popular channel have been left completely in the dark with second to none support except if they "upgrade" to Google+ and even then it's unlikely they'd get any usable help unless they're one of the 25 most popular channels.
Summarized:
I like how this huge disaster didn't cause Youtube to apologize and revert back to the old system after a few days, since it'll [I]NEVER[/I] get good, only slightly less shitty.
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