Meanwhile, in Syria: Syrian Army attacks Rastan indiscriminately with rockets
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[quote](CNN) -- [u]Relentless Syrian forces took aim at the city of Rastan on Sunday, hitting it with 15 rockets in 15 minutes, opposition activists said.[/u]
The government attack killed three people and injured dozens -- mostly children, according to Rastan opposition activists.
The opposition Local Coordination Committees of Syria said 15 people were killed Sunday, including seven in Homs, three in Damascus, one in Aleppo, one in Daraa, one in Deir Ezzor, one in Idlib, and one in Hama. The Syrian Network for Human Rights, another opposition group, also reported deaths in several cities.
The savage nightmare in the Syrian city of Homs will only intensify after government forces stormed the embattled neighborhood of Baba Amr in Homs, opposition activists said Sunday.
"The news coming from the families who fled after the entry of the Assad military forces is that there are more horrors, more killings and surely more massacres," said Rania Kisar, a Chicago-based member of the Syrian Revolution General Commission.
Osamah, the group's media director in Hama, reported arrests, rape and torture in Baba Amr by President Bashar al-Assad's forces.
"That's why the Assad regime refuses to allow the Red Cross and the Red Crescent to enter the neighborhood," said Osamah, who did not want to use his last name for safety reasons.
After days of attempts -- and even getting permission from Syrian authorities at one point -- the International Committee of the Red Cross has been denied entry Baba Amr.
But on Sunday, aid workers from the ICRC and the Syrian Red Crescent started distributing food and supplies in Abel, a village 3 kilometers from Homs, an ICRC spokeswoman said.
"The plan is to continue to the Inshaat and al-Tawzee neighborhoods, both in Homs, to the displaced families and people who fled Baba Amr," Carla Haddad Mardini said Sunday. "We hope to enter Baba Amr today but nothing is confirmed."
New videos that have surfaced from Homs suggest a fresh wave of killings by the Syrian military after the fall of Baba Amr.
Opposition activists provided CNN with the videos, purportedly showing the bodies of 17 civilians that were discovered Wednesday in villages near Baba Amr following a government assault.
Much of the footage is too graphic to broadcast, but an analysis of the videos showed at least 12 bodies.
In one video, the mother of victim Mahmoud al-Zoubi reacts to seeing her son's body for the first time since his death, said the activist who provided the footage.
"Bring an end to Bashar!" she wails before falling to the ground, shaking, as others try to console her.
The violence in Homs has also claimed the lives of several journalists, including reporter Marie Colvin and photographer Remi Ochlik, who both died February 22. On Sunday, their bodies arrived in Paris from Damascus, the French foreign ministry said.[/quote]
[url=http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/04/world/meast/syria-unrest/?hpt=hp_t3]CNN[/url]
I'm not going to bold this article because it's worth reading the entire thing. I really hope this isn't going to lead into a repeat of Homs.
These videos are from the aforementioned Rastan, and are [b]extremely[/b] :nws: and show severely injured children, so don't watch if you can't handle that sort of thing.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PdVJYMETZQ[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4FcKk8uamU[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqlCrkd0B9s[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ6vUoGK2qw[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvWxbW5zbZ4[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhtp5kA4jYo[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTgKWvb_feM[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xif5xp5L4RA[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQSyFXq9Frk[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyF5zWWXv1o[/url]
Rwanda part 2 the sequel
[QUOTE=smurfy;34990529]Rwanda part 2 the sequel[/QUOTE]
It's looking more likely every day, but at the very least the more martyrs Assad creates, the larger the opposition is going to get. The shelling across the country is a great way to get people to rise up, it's just the fight itself is going to be extremely bloody. Not to mention the after effects through sectarian violence, which is going to be caused from the large Alawite elite over the Sunnis.
God, I feel miserable for sitting in a nice, safe and warm place with all my luxury. Seeing all those children being scared shitless and hurt, in all their pain and misery almost makes me cry. What the fuck is wrong with those people?!
These are civilians, children, women, men, no monsters, no terrorists or criminals or god knows what kind of friggin bullshit - whoever wants to be responsible for the murder, the agony and despair of the innocent should be struck down right in the place where they stand.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMfXFu5ZbqM[/url]
This video is also from Rastan, it's :nws: of course. A protest is shelled, mostly filled with children.
While we're at it, if you want to know more about Homs and Baba Ama, read [url=http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/03/02/syria-new-satellite-images-show-homs-shelling]this[/url], and for a general idea of what was and is going on from the ground, watch these. They're from various dates, but they give you a good idea of what exactly is happening.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKcq5U8Uzhs[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvJzqlmUYw4[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v5MQSGCeTI[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-UuqPZ2LOo[/url]
You want to follow [url=http://www.youtube.com/user/syriapioneer]syriapioneer[/url], that's a big central block of videos from all over Syria, including the shelling in Homs. Naturally, it's going to be highly :nws:.
I hope Assad spends the last of his days in exceedingly unlivable pain.
Jesus Christ what the fuck, wasn't Syria like the most peaceful country in the mid-east before all this?
[QUOTE=Andokool12;34991250]Jesus Christ what the fuck, wasn't Syria like the most peaceful country in the mid-east before all this?[/QUOTE]
Only through brute force and fear-tactics
[QUOTE=The golden;34991318]I hope the Syrian people capture Assad and torture him for the next 30 years of his life.[/QUOTE]
I always find it hilariously hypocritical that that people wish this on people who flout human rights.
[QUOTE=The golden;34991376]I agree.
But I stopped caring when he butchered 5700+ of his own people.[/QUOTE]
Add about 3000 people onto that and that's the rough estimate assumed now.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;34991406]oh shut the fuck up, when you killed thousands of innocent people, your human rights are invalidated.[/QUOTE]
Let's not turn this into an argument when the thread has barely begun.
[QUOTE=ThePutty;34991425]Let's not turn this into an argument when the thread has barely begun.[/QUOTE]
I agree. We should discuss such things on a separate topic, otherwise we may lose track of the original thing, hence it's about the happenings in Syria, which are cruel enough. Our attention shouldn't get lost over a discussion on human rights in general.
Bashar is such an asshole. Makes me worry for my family in Syria.
I feel like I should be protesting in the streets for intervention
[QUOTE=Doneeh;34991512]Bashar is such an asshole. Makes me worry for my family in Syria.[/QUOTE]
I really hope they stay unharmed from all of this.
Poor kids.
[editline]4th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=NoDachi;34991349]I always find it hilariously hypocritical that that people wish this on people who flout human rights.[/QUOTE]
That's not hypocritical you ass, the man has killed over 5 thousand people in cold blood. Why does he deserve to live after that?
I remember back in March 2011 (wow a year ago now) when Gaddafi was closing in on Benghazi and no one was sure if there would be an intervention, and then once Resolution 1973 passed it seemed like it might be too late because Gaddafi actually reached the outskirts of Benghazi, and there were those horrible two days where there was the legal authority to intervene but nothing happened except Gaddafi's forces captured more and more rebel territory
But then literally at the last moment French jets swooped in and ruined their shit and Britain and the US fired cruise missiles and it was amazing
Back then I thought about what it would have been like if there had been no intervention, how depressing it would have been to just see Gaddafi roll into Benghazi and slaughter everyone while the rest of the world just went "please stop dude!" Now we're seeing that for real and it's awful, it feels like we've gone back in time and played out an alternate history
[QUOTE=RichyZ;34991406]oh shut the fuck up, when you killed thousands of innocent people, your human rights are invalidated.[/QUOTE]
Ugh, he's still human and so deserves the same rights as the rest of us. That said I hope that he is caught and held accountable for this slaughter.
When are we going to intervene like we did in Libya? This isn't even a civil war, this is just the government massacring thousands of innocent people.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;34991406]oh shut the fuck up, when you killed thousands of innocent people, your human rights are invalidated.[/QUOTE]
Yes. But you understand the hypocrisy right?
The whole point of universal human rights, is that no one should be able to chose who they should and should not apply to.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;34991917]Yes. But you understand the hypocrisy right?
The whole point of universal human rights, is that no one should be able to chose who they should and should not apply to.[/QUOTE]
The point is that they apply to everybody, no matter who you are or what you do.
[QUOTE=KILLTHIS;34991534]I really hope they stay unharmed from all of this.[/QUOTE]
Thanks man, I appreciate it. Still though, even my little cousins are being forced to go to the pro-Bashar rallies after school. I'm pretty sure if they don't cooperate, it's some form of treason and the government will tow away the person for torture.
I recall the Barbara Walters ABC interview of Bashar. She asked about a young boy who was detained and tortured to death, only for the body to be sent to the house of the boy mysteriously. Bashar denied the claim and said it was some kind of accident. She brought up the father in response. Bashar started faltering like the snake he is. He told her that he even spoke to the father of the boy, who told him that he didn't die of torture, despite the horrible wounds. Barbara wouldn't have that shit though, and it was pretty obvious to everyone that Bashar's lackeys forced the father to say that. Seriously, a 13 year old boy tortured to death for no real reason.
This man is scum-incarnate.
The interview, if anyone is interested:
[video=youtube;bsyQ442Xvnw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsyQ442Xvnw[/video]
The transcript, if you want to hear the bullshit he spews:
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/International/transcript-abcs-barbara-walters-interview-syrian-president-bashar/story?id=15099152#.T1O6Z_koY7k[/url]
[QUOTE=Doneeh;34992492]Thanks man, I appreciate it. Still though, even my little cousins are being forced to go to the pro-Bashar rallies after school. I'm pretty sure if they don't cooperate, it's some form of treason and the government will tow away the person for torture.
I recall the Barbara Walters ABC interview of Bashar. She asked about a young boy who was detained and tortured to death, only for the body to be sent to the house of the boy mysteriously. Bashar denied the claim and said it was some kind of accident. She brought up the father in response. Bashar started faltering like the snake he is. He told her that he even spoke to the father of the boy, who told him that he didn't die of torture, despite the horrible wounds. Barbara wouldn't have that shit though, and it was pretty obvious to everyone that Bashar's lackeys forced the father to say that. Seriously, a 13 year old boy tortured to death for no real reason.
This man is scum-incarnate.[/quote]
Oh man, that's horrible. But I understand the action. I remember a quote of Marcus Tullius Cicero:
"I find the most unfair peace still better than the most fair war" - sorry for the crappy translation, but I think you'll get what I mean. Hopefully there will be an intervention soon, so those monsters can finally be stopped. Such crimes are wrong on every single level and shouldn't be allowed at any time.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34991581]Poor kids.
[editline]4th March 2012[/editline]
That's not hypocritical you ass, the man has killed over 5 thousand people in cold blood. Why does he deserve to live after that?[/QUOTE]
Actually, UN estimates put the death toll at nearing 8000
[url]http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidesyria/2012/03/20123495447845483.html[/url]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jWWPo.png[/IMG]
Yeah.. I won't bother clicking on that thumbnail.
[QUOTE=Auth;34997961][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jWWPo.png[/IMG]
Yeah.. I won't bother clicking on that thumbnail.[/QUOTE]
I watched them all.
Pretty damn horrific.
The violence continues in Rastan, this is a child who was shot dead. :nws:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRGfb2XrWtg[/url]
[QUOTE=NoDachi;34991349]I always find it hilariously hypocritical that that people wish this on people who flout human rights.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it's so hypocritical because someone who caused the deaths of over 8,000 people deserves the same rights as other people, [b]BULLSHIT.[/b]
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35006872]Yeah it's so hypocritical because someone who caused the deaths of over 8,000 people deserves the same rights as other people, [b]BULLSHIT.[/b][/QUOTE]
[B]UNIVERSAL[/B] human rights
[editline]5th March 2012[/editline]
We're not saying he shouldn't be held accountable or punished for his crimes but he still has the same basic human rights as anyone else.
The two are not contradictory - If you want to seem him, I dunno, beaten to within an inch of his life or tortured slowly and put down like an animal because of what he's done, in my opinion that puts you on the same level as him.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35006872]Yeah it's so hypocritical because someone who caused the deaths of over 8,000 people deserves the same rights as other people, [b]BULLSHIT.[/b][/QUOTE]
Please pick a number from 1-8000 murders.
At which point does it become acceptable to "torture him for the next 30 years of his life.".
Are you honestly able to quantify the point when it becomes okay to do so? And who gave you the fucking right to decide in the first place.
People in this thread make me sick at their callous disregard for one of the most important cornerstones of modern society.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;35008160]Please pick a number from 1-8000 murders.
At which point does it become acceptable to "torture him for the next 30 years of his life.".
Are you honestly able to quantify the point when it becomes okay to do so? And who gave you the fucking right to decide in the first place.
People in this thread make me sick at their callous disregard for one of the most important cornerstones of modern society.[/QUOTE]
If they gave me the weapon to execute him I would take the karma for the sake of the rest of the world.
[editline]5th March 2012[/editline]
And by execute, I mean painfully torture him for the last 30 years of his life.
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