Evolve going F2P, Admit DLC shitstorm drove people away.
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[quote]Evolve is going free-to-play (which explains why it's been removed from Steam) - and its developers have opened up about the game's troubled launch.
Evolve, a four-versus-one shooter, launched in February 2015 to great expectation, but its appeal was dampened by a convoluted downloadable content plan that involved three editions of the game and a season pass that sliced the game up into little bits and pegged monsters and hunters for release later down the line
"When Evolve launched, the reception wasn't what we expected," the pair said in the joint statement. "Sure, there were some good reviews. There were also bad reviews. Yes, there was excitement. There was also disappointment - for players and for us. The DLC s***storm hit full force and washed away people's enthusiasm, dragging us further and further from that first magical pick-up-and-play experience.[/quote]
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Well I'll probably play it now, Always thought it looked like it could be fun but the sheer amount of DLC shoved down our throats put me right off.
Having been a closed alpha tester and then gone in to the beta, the game just never was very fun. After only a few rounds it became very predictable and lackluster.
If they make it so that all the old DLC is attainable through playing, no matter how grindy and especially the cosmetic stuff, and rework the classes so it's not a boring game of literal cat and mouse then i could see it becoming really fun. Something i'd pop into with friends every now and then.
Here's to hoping.
Wow, it's only a year and a half old? I thought it came out in 2014.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50665691]Having been a closed alpha tester and then gone in to the beta, the game just never was very fun. After only a few rounds it became very predictable and lackluster.[/QUOTE]
I've harped on about this before. The game has no good reason for the monster to ever engage before hitting max level. The hunters can all heal, respawn, etc. Fighting the hunters when you are weaker isn't just difficult, it is actively counterproductive to winning. It's a really shitty set of game mechanics.
Even after going F2p there's no reason to bother. This is just the final death throws as they try to squeeze that last few cents via whatever cash shop exists before they truly abandon the project forever. Save yourselves the regret and don't waste your time, or money.
I enjoyed the beta but it wasn't worth £40. I'll definitely play it now though.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;50665856]I've harped on about this before. The game has no good reason for the monster to ever engage before hitting max level. The hunters can all heal, respawn, etc. Fighting the hunters when you are weaker isn't just difficult, it is actively counterproductive to winning. It's a really shitty set of game mechanics.
Even after going F2p there's no reason to bother. This is just the final death throws as they try to squeeze that last few cents via whatever cash shop exists before they truly abandon the project forever. Save yourselves the regret and don't waste your time, or money.[/QUOTE]
yeah but you're mostly trying to avoid fighting the hunters at 1st and 2nd level - they are trying to track you down and kill you while you're weak. I thought that was the whole point. the dynamic reverses when you get to 3rd level and you get to fuck the hunters' shit right up
I also thought the game was pretty fun but not worth £40
lollerskates.
Well if people are dumb enough to grind forever in Warframe, maybe they'll be dumb enough to play this, even though the balance model is completely wrecked in favor of the Hunters.
Sucks for the people that payed $130 smackers for all the stuff.
I dunno, if you were smart and picked up buffs you could be pretty terrifying early game as the monster. At least in beta it wasn't that hard to win at 1/2 if you were good
Defibs on a dead corpse with very little substance.
[QUOTE=27X;50665987]lollerskates.
Well if people are dumb enough to grind forever in Warframe, maybe they'll be dumb enough to play this, even though the balance model is completely wrecked in favor of the Hunters.
Sucks for the people that payed $130 smackers for all the stuff.[/QUOTE]
...What's wrong with Warframe? There's grinding, sure, but I think you're confusing Progression with Grinding.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;50665856]I've harped on about this before. The game has no good reason for the monster to ever engage before hitting max level. The hunters can all heal, respawn, etc. Fighting the hunters when you are weaker isn't just difficult, it is actively counterproductive to winning. It's a really shitty set of game mechanics.
Even after going F2p there's no reason to bother. This is just the final death throws as they try to squeeze that last few cents via whatever cash shop exists before they truly abandon the project forever. Save yourselves the regret and don't waste your time, or money.[/QUOTE]
Now I haven't played the game in forever, and I don't know if this was changed at all, but I remember whenever you downed a hunter they would have less max health for the rest of the game. And when you killed them and they respawn, they still have less than max health. My game plan as the monster was to get to level 2 with some armor, engage them and try to down 1 or 2 hunters, and retreat as soon as my armor was gone. This made actually wiping them out at level 3 much easier.
The Biggest Problem was the Initial Price point IMO I could justify the game as a $15 and cut down the prices of the DLC, and keep the maps free.
[QUOTE=Paige;50666132]...What's wrong with Warframe? There's grinding, sure, but I think you're confusing Progression with Grinding.[/QUOTE]
Even as someone with tons of time on warframe, the game is literally grind the game. Since I got endgame shit very early in the beta, the rest of the game was a push over with little reason to keep playing. Same thing happened in the division at launch.
you can buy game keys for evolve on game key sites for like 5$ and get founder shit
founders cuts off alot of grinding and you get pretty much all current content
just saying
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[QUOTE=Paige;50666132]...What's wrong with Warframe? There's grinding, sure, but I think you're confusing Progression with Grinding.[/QUOTE]
Warframe is grinding incarnate.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;50666599]Even as someone with tons of time on warframe, the game is literally grind the game. Since I got endgame shit very early in the beta, the rest of the game was a push over with little reason to keep playing. Same thing happened in the division at launch.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=elowin;50666717]Warframe is grinding incarnate.[/QUOTE]
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Guess it just doesn't bother me.
[editline]7th July 2016[/editline]
So after playing a few matchs, I actually really like this new form of Evolve. It's got hearthstone-esque daily quests for their Ingame Currency which you can use to buy ANYTHING. Weapons, characters, skins, etc. You get a fair amount from playing a match on either side.
I actually think Evolve would've succeeded had it came out like this. This is actually really fun for a few games. The best part is that if you didn't sink any money into it then you don't have to feel like you wasted your money or your time. It being F2P means you can pop in, play a few matchs until it gets boring, pop out.
This is probably the best thing to happen to this game in awhile and I actually really hope it does well with this new model.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;50665956]yeah but you're mostly trying to avoid fighting the hunters at 1st and 2nd level - they are trying to track you down and kill you while you're weak. I thought that was the whole point. the dynamic reverses when you get to 3rd level and you get to fuck the hunters' shit right up
I also thought the game was pretty fun but not worth £40[/QUOTE]
The point is that there is no incentive to do anything but run. That's really boring because it's a pve game for 80% of the match. The game has no mechanics to encourage real efficiency, let alone encourage engagement early on. It's extremely samey and repetitive.
They could have added mechanics like installations that track the monster, that the monster can destroy. Something the hunters want to defend, and scatter them across the map so that people are forced to play cat and mouse. Something, anything, to encourage engagement over just running away.
DLC was only part of the problem. The game will need to be rebalanced if they want it to have any sort of longevity. As others have said in this thread, there is literally NO reason to engage the hunters unless you're ready to wipe them out for the win. Engaging them before then is counter productive and quite frankly suicidal. You either need to make it easier for the hunters to engage the monster, or you need to actually give the monster incentives to hunt the hunters sooner.
Also, a thought occurs. What if we have a mode where you have 8 hunters and 2 monsters, 4 and 1 per team? Then you have two monsters competing to get fed which means they will be fighting for resources, and their teams will be supporting them to keep the action going?
Just a random thought, I kinda wish Turtle Rock the best here but I'm not holding my breath.
It's a shit game. Don't play.
The worst part of the beta, for me, was the incessant loading.
Wait for matchmaking, load the lobby (with mandatory waiting timer), load the character selection screen (also with a waiting timer), load the map.
And then have the match either take 15 minutes, or be over in 2.
Load for another 5-10 minutes until the next match, again.
[QUOTE=Wii60;50666695]you can buy game keys for evolve on game key sites for like 5$ and get founder shit
founders cuts off alot of grinding and you get pretty much all current content
just saying
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too bad you'll find no one to play with in a few days
All the way back in alpha i had lots of fun with it because it had actually players who played pretty well. After that it fell into oblivion and i never touched it which is a shame
Played the beta for about an hour.
Was bored out of my mind after the first match.
This whole game was flawed from its conception. The game didn't have much to offer over other co-op games and suffered from AAA-itis.
[QUOTE=Paige;50666132]...What's wrong with Warframe? There's grinding, sure, but I think you're confusing Progression with Grinding.[/QUOTE]
Grinding shitfest without ends. Bad economy shop with no value of currency. Why pay 50-80 platinum for 1 pack of fusion cores if you could buy 50 fusion cores from a player? And this isn't the only broken thing in Warframe. I've read a lot about bugs that the devs do not want to patch but rather just leave there and introduce new gameplay mechanics, without fixing the previous mechanics bugs.
[QUOTE=usaokay;50672271]It's the same thing over and over.
Run around the map.
That's it.
The only thing that actually changes the gameplay a fair bit is the Evacuation gamemode where it turns into tower defense.[/QUOTE]
I mean, games that are the same thing over and over can be good and popular too, see dead by daylight. Also they removed all gamemodes except hunt I think.
I tried a bit yesterday with a friend and it seems fun if you like games like the one mentioned above, also seems like it's 100% f2p, you can't (as of yet) spend any real money.
[QUOTE=Antimuffin;50672244]Grinding shitfest without ends. Bad economy shop with no value of currency. Why pay 50-80 platinum for 1 pack of fusion cores if you could buy 50 fusion cores from a player? And this isn't the only broken thing in Warframe. I've read a lot about bugs that the devs do not want to patch but rather just leave there and introduce new gameplay mechanics, without fixing the previous mechanics bugs.[/QUOTE]
So you'd rather the game be P2W by allowing people to just buy a ton of fusion cores? Have you played Warframe?
Wasn't one of the biggest issues that people would quit matches where they didn't get to play the role they wanted, or that it simple wasn't fun being the big nasty beast because of traps and such?
I just played this and I can see how playing as a hunter is boring and annoying, but they made the monster gameplay incredibly fun. Then the main problem arises where they give you the option to choose which side you would like to play on, and noone finds a game quickly.
[editline]8th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Grandzeit;50672810]Wasn't one of the biggest issues that people would quit matches where they didn't get to play the role they wanted, or that it simple wasn't fun being the big nasty beast because of traps and such?[/QUOTE]
And yeah the trap shouldn't last 5 minutes at level 1 monster. Experienced people can find you in 30 seconds and trap you for 5 minutes, leading to you being chased closely the entire game. Getting to level 3 with only 10% health is also incredibly annoying. They should make it so you regain at least like 25%-50% max health when you evolve
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