Norwegian court rules that terrorist Anders Breivik's confinement doesnt violate human rights
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[url]http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/straks-na-faller-breivik-dommen/67356662[/url]
The court dismisses Breivik's case that his solitary confinement violates human rights, this follows a ruling in spring last year, that supported Breivik's claim that he had been held in solitary confinement for too long.
after the previous ruling, both sides appealed.
Breivik's lawyer, Øystein Storrvik, says that the decision to appeal has already been made.
The case has been criticized for trivializing cases about human rights, but Breivik's lawyer claims this case is well within the parameters of human rights law.
The appeal will make its case before the Norwegian high court (our supreme court) and possibly the court of human rights.
His confinement has it's own fitness room, tv, newspapers and even a gameconsole. Jeez, that sounds like a huge violation of human rights compared to how many lives he took.
Keep in mind this guy went on a hunger strike so they would replace his PS2 with a PS3......
[QUOTE=Nope guy;51892835]His confinement has it's own fitness room, tv, newspapers and even a gameconsole. Jeez, that sounds like a huge violation of human rights compared to how many lives he took.[/QUOTE]
Part of the problem, it seems, is that Breivik is confined for his own security. If released into general population areas within prison, authorities fear that he will be killed.
He receives no visits from people outside of professionals who work with him.
All interactions with doctors, priests and so on, happen with a glass wall between them.
Even his lawyer was separated from Breivik with a glass wall when preparing for this case.
[editline]1st March 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51892854]Keep in mind this guy went on a hunger strike so they would replace his PS2 with a PS3......[/QUOTE]
our prisons are a joke compared to yours. Breivik will probably never be released, so his treatment is more for the sake of the people, so that we know we are capable of not dehumanizing ourselves and do him unnecessary harm.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51892854]Keep in mind this guy went on a hunger strike so they would replace his PS2 with a PS3......[/QUOTE]
I hope to god he didn't get his PS3.
[QUOTE=Amakir;51892864]I hope to god he didn't get his PS3.[/QUOTE]
Why?
[QUOTE=Amakir;51892864]I hope to god he didn't get his PS3.[/QUOTE]
He didnt.
Please don't care about this.
He is getting what he wants. Attention and exposure
[QUOTE=Amakir;51892864]I hope to god he didn't get his PS3.[/QUOTE]
You monster :bullshit:
[QUOTE=Lazore;51892878]Please don't care about this.
He is getting what he wants. Attention and exposure[/QUOTE]
A case of about an inmate in Norwegian prison might go to the European court of human rights and we shouldn't care about it?
there are virtually no sympathizers of Breivik, and one way of making sure other people are less inclined to sympathize with him, is to not make him some sort of martyr, and demonstrate that we can keep him confined, and bored out of his mind, without breaking any laws around human rights.
if you think this is only about giving him exposure, and not debating how society should treat this extreme example, i think you're being naive.
[QUOTE=Meringdal;51892906]A case of about an inmate in Norwegian prison might go to the European court of human rights and we shouldn't care about it?
there are virtually no sympathizers of Breivik, and one way of making sure other people are less inclined to sympathize with him, is to not make him some sort of martyr, and demonstrate that we can keep him confined, and bored out of his mind, without breaking any laws around human rights.
if you think this is only about giving him exposure, and not debating how society should treat this extreme example, i think you're being naive.[/QUOTE]
I think you are being naive, the dude is in the most relaxed prison system on the globe and hes fucking crying like a baby.
No court will ever rule in his favor. That's why we should just fucking forget the guy.
[QUOTE=Meringdal;51892855]Part of the problem, it seems, is that Breivik is confined for his own security. If released into general population areas within prison, authorities fear that he will be killed.
He receives no visits from people outside of professionals who work with him.
All interactions with doctors, priests and so on, happen with a glass wall between them.
Even his lawyer was separated from Breivik with a glass wall when preparing for this case.
[editline]1st March 2017[/editline]
our prisons are a joke compared to yours. Breivik will probably never be released, so his treatment is more for the sake of the people, so that we know we are capable of not dehumanizing ourselves and do him unnecessary harm.[/QUOTE]
So you'd prefer the American style prisons? :what:
[QUOTE=kirederf7;51892964]So you'd prefer the American style prisons? :what:[/QUOTE]
I think that was just poorly written.
[QUOTE=Lazore;51892946]I think you are being naive, the dude is in the most relaxed prison system on the globe and hes fucking crying like a baby.
No court will ever rule in his favor. That's why we should just fucking forget the guy.[/QUOTE]
Im interested in how our justice system handles both internal and external pressure about his conditions. taking care of a homocidal lunatic isnt exactly an everyday matter, and the scope of how many people who have a personal interest against him, in addition to the fear of him influencing both the system and the people is in my opinion only working towards not being able to discuss what we should do with these extreme cases.
making it all about his whining is overly simplistic.
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[QUOTE=kirederf7;51892964]So you'd prefer the American style prisons? :what:[/QUOTE]
its a joke if you compare how harshly prisoners are punished, as in its a day at summer camp compared to what americans call a prison.
I dont think the americans have a good way of dealing with prisoners, and that their system breeds more violent criminals than it rehabilitates.
I actually think solitary confinement is a very cruel form of torture, at least USA style. If he still gets to interact with 'media' its a whole different story.
[QUOTE=Meringdal;51892995]
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its a joke if you compare how harshly prisoners are punished, as in its a day at summer camp compared to what americans call a prison.
I dont think the americans have a good way of dealing with prisoners, and that their system breeds more violent criminals than it rehabilitates.[/QUOTE]
Oh alright, I totally agree with that.
[QUOTE=Nope guy;51892835]His confinement has it's own fitness room, tv, newspapers and even a gameconsole. Jeez, that sounds like a huge violation of human rights compared to how many lives he took.[/QUOTE]
he has more luxurious digs than I do, and I am under zero legal restrictions beyond the norm for a free citizen. He has no case.
[QUOTE=Lazore;51892878]Please don't care about this.
He is getting what he wants. Attention and exposure[/QUOTE]
Attention to his embarrassing demands is good I say. It makes his sympathizers look bad by extension.
Breivik being allowed to complain about anything is a violation of human rights. They should send him to Singapore to get caned, see if he keeps talking.
I thought jails were a punishment. That sounds more like a forced hotel stay.
[QUOTE=Meringdal;51892855]our prisons are a joke compared to yours. Breivik will probably never be released, so his treatment is more for the sake of the people, so that we know we are capable of not dehumanizing ourselves and do him unnecessary harm.[/QUOTE]
Your prisons are the benchmark that the world should be striving for. Not only is your system the current pinnacle for the moral confinement of dangerous people, it's the most effective prison system in the world at rehabilitating inmates, with some of the lowest recorded rates of recidivism and active prison populations.
It's [B]our[/B] prisons that are the joke. We treat our inmates like animals, and then pat ourselves on the back when they continue to act like animals. If you feed a nonviolent offender into one end of our prison machine, you're likely to get the most hardboiled thug you can imagine out the other side. Our system makes criminality [I]worse[/I].
it's a dilemma. the man is clearly mentally unstable, he will never be outside the prison anymore, and there's people on a video game forum getting mad that the guy wanted a ps3? i'm not apologizing for a mass murderer, but the deed is sadly done and now there's a team of people dedicated to helping him not because it's the standard treatment but specifically to future-proof for things like this. psychology and prisons need to learn more about people like him in order to more efficiently and more humanely exert punishment later down the future.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;51893385]I thought jails were a punishment. That sounds more like a forced hotel stay.[/QUOTE]
You thought wrong.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;51893385]I thought jails were a punishment. That sounds more like a forced hotel stay.[/QUOTE]
They are punishment. Human beings are social creatures that like movement and imprisonment takes those two very important parts of one's life away, for extended periods of time - in the case of Breivik, likely to be the rest of his life.
Giving people who are going to stay there for a while some amenities so that they don't go completely insane while restricted to one set of rooms with extremely limited contact with the outside isn't a bad thing and it sure as fuck doesn't diminish the value of the sentence.
[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;51893621]Imagine having to live 50~ years inside the same four walls, alone. Fun.[/QUOTE]
Fucker can stay there until he rots.
I hope he never steps outside that prison. I don't harbour much hate for people, but seeing up close the aftermath of his crimes, and knowing people whose lives are shook completely by him it's become so personal I would be happy if he disappeared entirely in that little room of his.
[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;51893621]Jail is not meant to be a punishment. It's a place where you put people who are not fit to live in our modern society. So, criminals. People who break the laws of our society.
In most cases, specialists work to reintegrate said inmates back into the society. But while that's happening, they are kept imprisoned for their own safety and the safety of others.
In the rarer cases, such as Breivik, their stay is indefinite. With no hope of reintegration.
Imprisonment does however serve as a punishment, even if that is not the purpose. Imagine having to live 50~ years inside the same four walls, alone. Fun.[/QUOTE]
Oh. I didn't know that.
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