I don't get why people like the 1978 Dawn of the Dead. The internet movie database gave it a 8.0/10.0 and I have heard plenty of reviewers praise this borefest.
My personal favourite in the zombie movie genre would be 28 days later, although admittedly I haven't seen all that many. What I like about 28 days later is that the infected actually fucking move, generating some excitement. The zombies only walk slowly in a lot of zombie movies, but usually not quite this slowly. A fucking earthworm could outrun these things. And they have perfectly safe rooms to be in, they can just close doors and the zombies can't do shit to them. Only reason the characters get in any kind of trouble whatsoever is because they're immensly dense. And none of the characters are particularily agreeable. I'm not going to complain about the zombie appearance or effects, since this was in the late seventies.
So tell me facepunch, what is the appeal of this movie? Besides the obvious if there are no bullies they can't harass me and mommie can't tell me how much cola I can drink.
You clearly don't understand the concept of Romero's Dead series, it's not about the zombies being the main antagonists. It's about how society's laws and rules break down and chaos erupts, Dawn itself has been considered a critique of consumerism. Hell even in the climax of 28 days it's shown that the soldiers are inherently more dangerous than the infected themselves. You need to understand the concept of subtexts and not just act like a total sheep.
Well, I'll start by asking the obvious.
How fucking old are you?
[editline]9th November 2010[/editline]
Like, seriously. I watched this movie for the first time at age 11 and loved it. One of the first horror movies I ever saw.
I still love it to this day.
[QUOTE=roosterswe;25960154]The zombies only walk slowly in a lot of zombie movies, but usually not quite this slowly.
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Besides the whole social criticism (which is pretty fucking accurate), I find that these are slightly more realistic considering the whole dead thing. If you died and became a zombie, would you honestly expect to able to move fast?
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;25960619]Besides the whole social criticism (which is pretty fucking accurate), I find that these are slightly more realistic considering the whole dead thing. If you died and became a zombie, would you honestly expect to able to move fast?[/QUOTE]
George Romero actually explained this one.
He said that they do not move fast because if they did, their legs would break.
The point of the zombies isn't that they pose an immediate threat. It's that they're everywhere and there are so many of them. There is only so much food and ammo until you have to leave your safe room and go looking for more.
Slow moving zombies are awesome.
I like how you called 28 days later a zombie movie, they are not zombies, they are infected as they have never died, if they would have died and risen again they would be zombies. By your logic you may as well call old yeller a zombie dog.
[QUOTE=Drasnus;25960712]The point of the zombies isn't that they pose an immediate threat. It's that they're everywhere and there are so many of them. There is only so much food and ammo until you have to leave your safe room and go looking for more.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, my friend said something like that the other day. "Fast zombies are scary as hell, yes; but with slow zombies you know that they aren't going to get there fast...but they're going to get there."
[QUOTE=wabash;25960732]I like how you called 28 days later a zombie movie, they are not zombies, they are infected as they have never died, if they would have died and risen again they would be zombies. By your logic you may as well call old yeller a zombie dog.[/QUOTE]
It's the same general idea with a more realistic approach to "zombification."
I think you're looking at this like an action movie. Protip: It's not.
I'm not one of those elitist zombie fans, I count a zombie movie as a zombie movie if it doesnt what the originals did, critiques society or some aspect of it. They are horrific because they reveal the deepest flaws in human character and emotion and the human characters are contrasted against the mindless zombies, granted the zombies are a threat but usually only at the beginning of the movies. Notice how the danger lowers over time before jumping at certain points, usually after some sort of negative human intervention. If you want a VERY good modern example of this then simply look towards The Walking Dead, Romero'd love that shit.
OP loves Transformers, I'm calling it.
OP doesn't know what a horror movie is.
I always figured that no matter what you did, you couldn't escape them, and that's what made them scary, the running zombie films- they just shot them dead and eventually one of the humans fucked up and got bit, it was the same stuff every time.
[QUOTE=mrryanchisholm;25960804]Yeah, my friend said something like that the other day. "Fast zombies are scary as hell, yes; but with slow zombies you know that they aren't going to get there fast...but they're going to get there."[/QUOTE]
Simon Pegg described the slow zombie very well, he said something like 'he is death, and he will get you in the end.'
[QUOTE=Kirahazard;25960383]You clearly don't understand the concept of Romero's Dead series, it's not about the zombies being the main antagonists. It's about how society's laws and rules break down and chaos erupts, Dawn itself has been considered a critique of consumerism. Hell even in the climax of 28 days it's shown that the soldiers are inherently more dangerous than the infected themselves. You need to understand the concept of subtexts and not just act like a total sheep.[/QUOTE]
Well the characters are still unlikable, and it's not exciting, so it's a bore to sit through. If that's what's important I think it would have worked better as a book.
[editline]9th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=mrryanchisholm;25960424]Well, I'll start by asking the obvious.
How fucking old are you?
[editline]9th November 2010[/editline]
Like, seriously. I watched this movie for the first time at age 11 and loved it. One of the first horror movies I ever saw.
I still love it to this day.[/QUOTE]
I'm soon to be 17. Of course you'd like it at the age of 11, it had blood and guts in it.
[editline]9th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;25960619]Besides the whole social criticism (which is pretty fucking accurate), I find that these are slightly more realistic considering the whole dead thing. If you died and became a zombie, would you honestly expect to able to move fast?[/QUOTE]
Well I find this entire pseudo-science thing that the dead are walking unappealing. I like it more when there is like an infection like in 28 days later, because it makes more sense. Doesn't set off my nerd senses as much.
[QUOTE=roosterswe;25961282]Well the characters are still unlikable, and it's not exciting, so it's a bore to sit through. If that's what's important I think it would have worked better as a book.
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I don't exactly see how ALL the characters are unlikable and just because it's not a "super fun thrill kill ride" doesn't make it boring. Just because you have to think about a movie you shouldn't throw it away.
[QUOTE=Drasnus;25960712]The point of the zombies isn't that they pose an immediate threat. It's that they're everywhere and there are so many of them. There is only so much food and ammo until you have to leave your safe room and go looking for more.[/QUOTE]
Well the zombies weren't even a threat. There were only so many in the mall, and they could basically push them away to go get food.
[editline]9th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=wabash;25960732]I like how you called 28 days later a zombie movie, they are not zombies, they are infected as they have never died, if they would have died and risen again they would be zombies. By your logic you may as well call old yeller a zombie dog.[/QUOTE]
They are still mindless people wanting to eat you. That's like saying a witch isn't a witch because she wasn't born one, she drank a potion.
[editline]9th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;25960854]I think you're looking at this like an action movie. Protip: It's not.[/QUOTE]
I noticed it wasn't and as I said none of the characters were likable or interesting and there was no interesting drama or anything else to keep my interests up. I'm not a MW2 player, I can sit through a movie even if it doesn't have an explosion.
[editline]9th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kirahazard;25960906]I'm not one of those elitist zombie fans, I count a zombie movie as a zombie movie if it doesnt what the originals did, critiques society or some aspect of it. They are horrific because they reveal the deepest flaws in human character and emotion and the human characters are contrasted against the mindless zombies, granted the zombies are a threat but usually only at the beginning of the movies. Notice how the danger lowers over time before jumping at certain points, usually after some sort of negative human intervention. If you want a VERY good modern example of this then simply look towards The Walking Dead, Romero'd love that shit.[/QUOTE]
Well, this wasn't my first movie ever, so that people are assholes or that movies like to tell you that wasn't news to me. I guess I had seen too many other movies that had the same kind of theme before this one.
[editline]9th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=mrryanchisholm;25960913]OP loves Transformers, I'm calling it.[/QUOTE]
The theme to the original show possibly. My favorite movie is The Road, not entirely the same genre.
[editline]9th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Nonikai;25960947]OP doesn't know what a horror movie is.[/QUOTE]
Yes I do. And as I said, I didn't find this exciting. If I don't like the thick doofuses I won't care if they die.
[editline]9th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Badunkadunk;25961027]I always figured that no matter what you did, you couldn't escape them, and that's what made them scary, the running zombie films- they just shot them dead and eventually one of the humans fucked up and got bit, it was the same stuff every time.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Badunkadunk;25961027] the running zombie films- they just shot them dead and eventually one of the humans fucked up and got bit, it was the same stuff every time.[/QUOTE]
That happened in this movie. Another reason it wasn't appealing to me, seen it in 12 other zombie movies.
[QUOTE=roosterswe;25961282]Well the characters are still unlikable, and it's not exciting, so it's a bore to sit through. If that's what's important I think it would have worked better as a book.[/QUOTE]
Why do the characters have to be likeable?
[QUOTE=Kirahazard;25961347]I don't exactly see how ALL the characters are unlikable and just because it's not a "super fun thrill kill ride" doesn't make it boring. Just because you have to think about a movie you shouldn't throw it away.[/QUOTE]
I only kind of liked the black guy, and he didn't get hurt, he was just a kindergarten teacher to the other dipshits.
[editline]9th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=kirderf;25961596]Why do the characters have to be likeable?[/QUOTE]
Because otherwise I wouldn't care about them. I wouldn't get excited when shit happens to them and I won't want to hear them talk.
[editline]9th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Giacomand;25960726]Slow moving zombies are awesome.[/QUOTE]
If they're slow moving then they are much less of a threat, at least that's how I feel. Then it's more of a "everyone's gone, let's find guns and shoot stuff" movie, Which I don't find all that exhilarating.
[QUOTE=wabash;25960732]I like how you called 28 days later a zombie movie, they are not zombies, they are infected as they have never died, if they would have died and risen again they would be zombies. By your logic you may as well call old yeller a zombie dog.[/QUOTE]
zombie, [B]zombi[/B] [ˈzɒmbɪ][I]n[/I] [I]pl[/I] [B]-bies[/B], [B]-bis[/B][B]1.[/B] a person who is or appears to be lifeless, apathetic, or totally lacking in independent judgment; automaton
The reason two of the characters died fell in with the themes. They weren't just being stupid, they were pushed over the edge. Roger was nearly eaten before narrowly escaping and he got reckless with the adrenaline this caused, perfectly plausible. David's downfall was his stubbornness, he became enraged when the bikers undid everything they had worked for up until this point. It's not like they took a pratfall into a horde. The reason the other two survived is because they kept their cool, something pretty hard to do when the [I]dead[/I] are returning to life.
[QUOTE=roosterswe;25961683] If they're slow moving then they are much less of a threat[/QUOTE]
Boy, would my face be red if one of them got me.
[QUOTE=roosterswe;25961282]Well I find this entire pseudo-science thing that the dead are walking unappealing. I like it more when there is like an infection like in 28 days later, because it makes more sense. Doesn't set off my nerd senses as much.[/QUOTE]
Zombies were never scientific. Zombie mythology has roots in sorcery.
[QUOTE=Kirahazard;25960906]I'm not one of those elitist zombie fans, I count a zombie movie as a zombie movie if it doesnt what the originals did, critiques society or some aspect of it. They are horrific because they reveal the deepest flaws in human character and emotion and the human characters are contrasted against the mindless zombies, granted the zombies are a threat but usually only at the beginning of the movies. Notice how the danger lowers over time before jumping at certain points, usually after some sort of negative human intervention. If you want a VERY good modern example of this then simply look towards The Walking Dead, Romero'd love that shit.[/QUOTE]
robert kirkman states romero's films are a huge inspiration for TWD.
I came in here thinking "ok maybe he has some kind of good argument and I should consider the points rather than just say oh that's dumb" but I guess I was wrong.
[QUOTE=Kirahazard;25960383]You clearly don't understand the concept of Romero's Dead series, it's not about the zombies being the main antagonists. It's about how society's laws and rules break down and chaos erupts, Dawn itself has been considered a critique of consumerism. Hell even in the climax of 28 days it's shown that the soldiers are inherently more dangerous than the infected themselves. You need to understand the concept of subtexts and not just act like a total sheep.[/QUOTE]
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OP is typical teenage "zombie lover" if you can call yourself that.
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I just realized the director has the exact same name as my neighbor by reading the thread's topic.
Anyways, I wasn't a fan of the movie.
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