• Israeli soldier shoots handcuffed Palestinian youth
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I think freethinker must be dead so I'll post this in his absence, as tribute. [quote]Israeli media sources have confirmed that an Israeli soldier shot and killed a handcuffed Palestinian youth on Tuesday morning (14.09.2010) in the city of Tel Aviv. Israel's Channel Two television station confirmed that police forces detained four Palestinian youths in Tel Aviv during the early hours of Tuesday morning under suspicion of involvement in stealing an Israeli vehicle. One of the youths was killed and another managed to escape while the remaining two were detained by the authorities of the Israeli occupation. According to the television station, "during the arrest, the sound of gun fire was heard then one of the handcuffed detainees fell after being shot in the upper part of his body. He died shortly afterwards." According to Channel Two, the Israeli police officer who opened fired on the youth has claimed that the bullet "was shot accidentally from his weapon" and hit the 18 year old Palestinian youth in his back killing him on impact. Source: Quds Press[/quote] [url]http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk/news/middle-east/1515-israeli-soldiers-open-fire-on-handcuffed-palestinian[/url] Oh Israel/Palestine, you so crazy
"Shot accidentally" doesn't typically cover pointing your weapon at the target. In before: Malicious comments about Israel.
well shit, thats some real news. I remember a cuffed Palestinian teenager getting shot as well not too long ago, but he lived.
What the fuck, is it really that hard to have complete control over your weapon?
Just want to say before the bandwagon gets here. It was one guy. Don't blame the whole country.
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;24871030]Just want to say before the bandwagon gets here. It was one guy. Don't blame the whole country.[/QUOTE] USA did it with 9/11
It's probably true, but the source is slightly dodge.
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;24871030]Just want to say before the bandwagon gets here. It was one guy. Don't blame the whole country.[/QUOTE]Except this kinda stuff happens all the time...
Not really news, U.S. army does this all the times, many times intentionally/recklessly.
Doesn't come as a surprise.
[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;24871224]Not really news, U.S. army does this all the times, many times intentionally/recklessly.[/QUOTE] Broad, sweeping generalizations without sources are generally looked down upon.
[QUOTE=RBM11;24871420]Broad, sweeping generalizations without sources are generally looked down upon.[/QUOTE] Not when its bandwagon hate.
"Accidentally" :raise: [I]"Really officer, may i suggest the saftey catch next time?"[/I]
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;24871432]Not when its bandwagon hate.[/QUOTE] "Bandwagon" is a terrible way to say "a lot of people are doing it so they must be wrong".
1. why didn't he have the safety on. 2. why was he pointing the gun at him. what a liar.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;24872136]1. why didn't he have the safety on. 2. why was he pointing the gun at him. what a liar.[/QUOTE] 1. If I understand the article correctly, they had already fired upon the other two and as such he probably left it off to cover the remaining two. 2. Cover the suspect at all times.
Enough of this "Israeli soldiers killed a civilian, horrible, Israel shouldn't exist" shit. Forgive me if I'm sounding intolerable or unaffected, it's just that a fact of war is that civilians are going to die. There's no article in the Geneva Convention stating "you shouldn't kill civilians". I'm not implying Israel literally takes this as a go-ahead to kill civilians. Israelis can feel guilt too. I imagine this soldier is probably going to feel guilty his entire life. Civilians getting killed in war is a fixed fact. It's going to happen, as much as we like to think of it as being improbable. As to whether Israeli's cause for military occupance in Gaza and the West Bank is correct, that's a different matter. There has been worse reasons for going to war before.
As massn7 said, they needed to keep their weapons pointed at them at all times for obvious reasons. One of them escaped but they don't really say the context whether he was handcufed or never actually detained. [QUOTE=Leaf Runner;24871224]Not really news, U.S. army does this all the times, many times intentionally/recklessly.[/QUOTE] It does happen sometimes as not all soldiers adapt to being a police force as well; Israel's mostly conscript army would probably have even more trouble. Shooting them intentionaly usually only happens in circumstances where they had a slight reason like feeling threatened but if he claimed it was an accidental discharge and they were handcufed, it seems more like absolute incompetence rather than malicious intent.
I see all this about Israel vs. Palestine. We should all just focus our media attention on something else now, this is getting boring.. How about the Kashmir Disputes.
[QUOTE=kevn150;24873320]Enough of this "Israeli soldiers killed a civilian, horrible, Israel shouldn't exist" shit. Forgive me if I'm sounding intolerable or unaffected, it's just that a fact of war is that civilians are going to die. There's no article in the Geneva Convention stating "you shouldn't kill civilians".[/quote] Yeah it does. You aren't allowed to intentionally kill civilians whenever you want but there is a fair bit of leeway for collateral and guerrillas. [quote]As to whether Israeli's cause for military occupance in Gaza and the West Bank is correct, that's a different matter. There has been worse reasons for going to war before.[/QUOTE] They pulled out of Gaza in 2005 and are now engaging in hostile actions against them. In the West Bank, they are acting as a security force alongside the PA similar to the US in Iraq and Afghanistan. They used to have the same thing in Gaza but Hamas got control, international pressure caused them to pull out and now it's gone to hell. You can see why they are reluctant to leave when the same situation could occur in the West Bank.
Get em while they down! Scooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooreeeeeee isrrrrrrrraeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;24873553]Get em while they down! Scooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooreeeeeee isrrrrrrrraeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel[/QUOTE] sigh
Its called trigger discipline, use it.
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;24871030]Just want to say before the bandwagon gets here. It was one guy. Don't blame the whole country.[/QUOTE] just a handful of people that seems to apply to every single situation someone doesn't like, regardless of how many times it happens. [editline]05:14AM[/editline] [QUOTE=kevn150;24873320]Enough of this "Israeli soldiers killed a civilian, horrible, Israel shouldn't exist" shit. Forgive me if I'm sounding intolerable or unaffected, it's just that a fact of war is that civilians are going to die. There's no article in the Geneva Convention stating "you shouldn't kill civilians". I'm not implying Israel literally takes this as a go-ahead to kill civilians. Israelis can feel guilt too. I imagine this soldier is probably going to feel guilty his entire life. Civilians getting killed in war is a fixed fact. It's going to happen, as much as we like to think of it as being improbable. As to whether Israeli's cause for military occupance in Gaza and the West Bank is correct, that's a different matter. There has been worse reasons for going to war before.[/QUOTE] as if it matters seeing as how israel refused to sign the geneva convention ho ho
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24874727]as if it matters seeing as how israel refused to sign the geneva convention ho ho[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebSign?ReadForm&id=375&ps=P]Yah they did.[/url] They made a few [url=http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/NORM/35D52356F487FC85C1256402003F9563?OpenDocument]ammendments[/url] but they only include using the Red Shield of David instead of the Red Cross or Red Crescent. BTW, the fourth convention is the one in 1949 and the only one that deals with civilians so it's correct.
If he wanted to live he shouldn't have told that last "yo mama" joke.
[QUOTE=madmax678;24871710]"Accidentally" :raise: [I]"Really officer, may i suggest the saftey catch next time?"[/I][/QUOTE] There is a better option that even that. Don't keep your finger on the cunting trigger til you're positive you're about to shoot.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;24870569]In before: Malicious comments about Israel.[/QUOTE] I'd say they're well deserved in this case. I hope it was worth it to the shooter.
Criminal negligence at best, murder at worst.
More like, murder.
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