BLM demonstrators boo black mayor for saying she'll put more Police in Washington's most violent nei
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[quote]WASHINGTON (AP) — The boos began as soon as Washington’s mayor said she was putting more police officers on the streets in neighborhoods affected by violent crime. They didn’t let up for the next 18 minutes as Democrat Muriel Bowser laid out her plans to address an increase in homicides in the nation’s capital.
Bowser was repeatedly heckled and interrupted by a few dozen protesters affiliated with the Black Lives Matter movement during her address Thursday inside the sweltering gymnasium of a long-shuttered school in southeast Washington.
Shouting “Jobs, not jails!” and “More police is not the answer!,” the protesters accused the mayor of failing to address the root causes of violence and advocating for policies that would do more harm than good.
Bowser, who is black, said she wanted “to make ‘Black Lives Matter’ more than just a hashtag.'” The hecklers said they didn’t believe her.[/quote]
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So are they admitting that they're violent..... or..?
That reaction makes no sense. I know they need jobs, but safety is good too.
doesn't make real sense at all to boo a mayor trying to improve their cities safety, especially by making sure there are more police in bad neighborhoods. yeah there can be more jobs, but safety is key for those areas, no one should need to fear of violence to hit them because a lack of security in the neighborhood.
They'll complain and boo no matter what they're offered, they want a magic wand to make all their problems go away, rather than working on solutions.
well adding more security does create more job's. ..
Is there anyone BLM [I]likes?[/I] :v:
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48556093]Is there anyone BLM [I]likes?[/I] :v:[/QUOTE]
Themselves most likely
Well, maybe not
That's a shortsighted response. A lack of security is one of the chains that keep downtrodden areas downtrodden. Security, prosperity, and education all need to exist. Without improvong the security, any steps to improve the local rconomy and schools are doomed to fail. While it's fair for minorities to be wary of police given what the DOJ investigations into police treatment of minorities have revealed, police are a necessary part of the solution. There must be greater communication and trust between the police and the people for any real change to occur here.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;48556093]Is there anyone BLM [I]likes?[/I] :v:[/QUOTE]
Themselves and complaining about anything they want.
I'm going to assume that BLM isn't hearing "more police put in troubled neighborhoods" but instead hear "more white murderers in black communities".
make all police in black areas black
problem solved??!?!
edit: a lot of the time i see them complaining about "[b]white[/b] police brutality against blacks"
[QUOTE=BazzBerry;48555820]So are they admitting that they're violent..... or..?[/QUOTE]
They just hate cops, period. They see them as outsiders, they want police [i]out[/i] of their neighborhoods. But they also want the problems fixed at the same time.
ie they're idiots
[QUOTE=awcmon;48556604]make all police in black areas black
problem solved??!?!
edit: a lot of the time i see them complaining about "[b]white[/b] police brutality against blacks"[/QUOTE]
They'll just turn that around and start calling them "Uncle Toms" or something.
[QUOTE=Enola;48556703]They'll just turn that around and start calling them "Uncle Toms" or something.[/QUOTE]
That'll kill a lot of support for them
[QUOTE=awcmon;48556604]make all police in black areas black
[/QUOTE]
This artcle mentioned them booing their [B]BLACK[/b] Mayor.
I think they just don't give a single shit about being activists, and more just wanna hate white people for the fuck of it.
Well I mean you can't just throw cops at problems and expect everything to be okay
[QUOTE=awcmon;48556604]make all police in black areas black
problem solved??!?!
edit: a lot of the time i see them complaining about "[b]white[/b] police brutality against blacks"[/QUOTE]
You obviously don't know how hard it is for police departments to hire minorities. They don't want to be cops, they have grown up being told that cops are not on their side so they won't become one.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48556335]That's a shortsighted response. A lack of security is one of the chains that keep downtrodden areas downtrodden. Security, prosperity, and education all need to exist. Without improvong the security, any steps to improve the local rconomy and schools are doomed to fail. While it's fair for minorities to be wary of police given what the DOJ investigations into police treatment of minorities have revealed, police are a necessary part of the solution. There must be greater communication and trust between the police and the people for any real change to occur here.[/QUOTE]
It's definitely shortsighted, but it's very understandable. Distrust of the police is widespread in those areas.
People really need to read into the reasoning [i]why[/i] black people tend to distrust police, instead of saying "but they've never hurt me why do they care!" Hell, most black street gangs started out as nonviolent neighborhood watch groups, or groups of neighbors that banded together to commit petty crime for extra money. Black gang violence sprouted up at the same time as gang crime of most other races, alongside Polish gangs and Italian gangs and other immigrant groups banding together to commit crimes to show toughness to solidify their standing on the lowest rung of the social ladder.
I think blatantly anti-police rhetoric is damaging. Increasing the [i]number[/i] of police in high-crime areas, [I]without[/I] adding community outreach programs is incredibly damaging and will only be viewed as oppressive and abusive. You can't just throw police at people who distrust police until something sticks, you need to find ways to regain the trust that police lost over the decades in these communities. Community outreach programs and officer discretion in certain cases of petty crime would be a great start - if you throw a bunch of police at an area of high rates of violent crime and they start arresting people for drugs and standing around suspiciously, there's going to be [i]even more[/i] distrust of police.
It's a real shortsighted reaction, but it's also a shortsighted plan. Throwing a higher number of stricter cops at a problem won't fix the trust issue - you need people from the local community that have the local community's interests at heart, not outsourced cops from the town over that just want a paycheck.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48556645]They just hate cops, period. They see them as outsiders, they want police [i]out[/i] of their neighborhoods. But they also want the problems fixed at the same time.[/QUOTE]
This is because most cops [i]are[/i] outsiders to their neighborhoods and their communities at large. There aren't many kids that go to school in Compton and decide to become cops.
It's an incredibly difficult situation. You want more people in those areas to become cops so that their law enforcement better represents them, but then nobody wants to be cops because the outsourced cops are abusive and don't have a relationship with other members of the community. It's a constant erosion of trust - even if a local person decided to become a cop and work there to help his/her community, they'd probably be viewed negatively due to the apathy of non-local police. Spirals forever and ever.
[QUOTE=BazzBerry;48555820]So are they admitting that they're violent..... or..?[/QUOTE]
They distrust the police, booing is a pretty expected response to a mayor saying they're going to throw more police at the problem.
Wasn't the criticism against BLM that they're just a bunch of racists that target white politicians regardless of whether or not they've been supportive of the black community? Here we see BLM topically attacking a politician [i]regardless[/i] of their race, yet they still can't win.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;48557166]They distrust the police, booing is a pretty expected response to a mayor saying they're going to throw more police at the problem.
Wasn't the criticism against BLM that they're just a bunch of racists that target white politicians regardless of whether or not they've been supportive of the black community? Here we see BLM topically attacking a politician [i]regardless[/i] of their race, yet they still can't win.[/QUOTE]
IDK, it's not uncommon for people similar to BLM to dismiss wealthy black people/black people who don't totally sympathize/very educated black people/etc. as "oreos," "uncle toms," or "house niggers." I've personally had Tiger Woods, Colin Powell, and Condoleezza Rice unironically called these things to my face.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48557199]IDK, it's not uncommon for people similar to BLM to dismiss wealthy black people/black people who don't totally sympathize/very educated black people/etc. as "oreos," "uncle toms," or "house niggers." I've personally had Tiger Woods, Colin Powell, and Condoleezza Rice unironically called these things to my face.[/QUOTE]
This is why I have a hard time agreeing with folks like BLM. So it's ok to complaing about the conditions of your area, and wanting it improved for future generations, but it's tottaly NOT ok for some young black kid from a ghetto to, on his own blood sweat and tears, work his/her ass off to get out fo the ghetto, earn a respectable high paying job, move into a nice neighborhood and perhaps even raise a happy family?
Instead it's just as fine to live your entire life in the ghetto, slowly having it eat your outer shell until all that remains are bitter people, never content with their lives, and seemingly blaming others for their own problem.
I mean if folks like Tiger Woods, Colin Powerll, Condie Rice, Neil deGrasse Tyson and President Barack Obama can become famous and respected on their own volitions, then the real problem seems to be that folks in the Ghetto just don't seem to want to get out, and rather just stay there while complaining about sour grapes because some others got more suscessful than they did.
[editline]27th August 2015[/editline]
Almost forgot to mention Oprah Winfrey, her early life was fucking garbage, but then overtime she commited to herself and became known as "America's Mom". Just read her story and that says a whole lot.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;48557166]They distrust the police, booing is a pretty expected response to a mayor saying they're going to throw more police at the problem.
Wasn't the criticism against BLM that they're just a bunch of racists that target white politicians regardless of whether or not they've been supportive of the black community? Here we see BLM topically attacking a politician [I]regardless[/I] of their race, yet they still can't win.[/QUOTE]
The criticism of some of the people who identify as part of BLM is that they are idiots who would boo at anything and really just want to be loud and obnoxious under the guise of it being for a "good cause", which they then use as a shield for criticism along with just saying people who call them out are being racist.
[editline]28th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48557113]It's definitely shortsighted, but it's very understandable. Distrust of the police is widespread in those areas.[/QUOTE]
Great, let's just pull out all of the police from the areas where they aren't trusted, I'm sure the average civilians who live there will be so much happier with the gang run law and order.
Wait, no, that's stupid. If crime involving actual victims (e.g., not smoking pot or whatever) is high in an area then there should be an increased police presence to deal with that crime. That can come with other steps, such as improved community outreach. But abandoning areas that have high crime rates because "people don't trust the police" isn't a solution, it's removing control rods from an already unstable nuclear reactor.
To be clear, I know that isn't what you're suggesting, but my point is in the short term crime needs to be stopped or at least brought down. Leaving the situation how currently is shouldn't be an acceptable solution and doing so wouldn't be a fair solution to the people who live in communities in constant fear due to police being unable to effectively police the area.
I don't know why body cameras aren't standard issue. No more controversy no more he said she said. It protects both parties how can anyone be against it? Officers also need to be held accountable when they overuse force.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48557259]This is why I have a hard time agreeing with folks like BLM. So it's ok to complaing about the conditions of your area, and wanting it improved for future generations, but it's tottaly NOT ok for some young black kid from a ghetto to, on his own blood sweat and tears, work his/her ass off to get out fo the ghetto, earn a respectable high paying job, move into a nice neighborhood and perhaps even raise a happy family?
Instead it's just as fine to live your entire life in the ghetto, slowly having it eat your outer shell until all that remains are bitter people, never content with their lives, and seemingly blaming others for their own problem.
I mean if folks like Tiger Woods, Colin Powerll, Condie Rice, Neil deGrasse Tyson and President Barack Obama can become famous and respected on their own volitions, then [B]the real problem seems to be that folks in the Ghetto just don't seem to want to get out[/B], and rather just stay there while complaining about sour grapes because some others got more suscessful than they did.
[editline]27th August 2015[/editline]
Almost forgot to mention Oprah Winfrey, her early life was fucking garbage, but then overtime she commited to herself and became known as "America's Mom". Just read her story and that says a whole lot.[/QUOTE]
I mean, whilst this is almost certainly true for some people, the bootstraps argument probably isn't the best to go for.
[editline]28th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mudbone;48558589]I don't know why body cameras aren't standard issue. No more controversy no more he said she said. It protects both parties how can anyone be against it? Officers also need to be held accountable when they overuse force.[/QUOTE]
From what I know, BLM protestors have said that cameras don't work because the police will just get let off even in the face of direct evidence.
[quote]the real problem seems to be that folks in the Ghetto just don't seem to want to get out[/quote]
You have to find a way to make them feel not so persecuted and show that there is a clear means to get out. Unfortunately from what I saw in my sociology class, very rarely do people move out of their social class, and things like incarceration rates are still ridiculously high for black people.
I think there's a level of truth to the idea that they can't get out of poverty. I don't think that they're just lazy. I think not taking them seriously has been the root of the issue since the beginning of the Civil Rights movement and hasn't changed.
[QUOTE=Del91;48555861]They'll complain and boo no matter what they're offered, they want a magic wand to make all their problems go away, rather than working on solutions.[/QUOTE]
Well they boo'ed Bernie Sanders when he proposed that america initiate programs to help alleviate poverty in black communities so you're probably right.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48557259]This is why I have a hard time agreeing with folks like BLM. So it's ok to complaing about the conditions of your area, and wanting it improved for future generations, but it's tottaly NOT ok for some young black kid from a ghetto to, on his own blood sweat and tears, work his/her ass off to get out fo the ghetto, earn a respectable high paying job, move into a nice neighborhood and perhaps even raise a happy family?
Instead it's just as fine to live your entire life in the ghetto, slowly having it eat your outer shell until all that remains are bitter people, never content with their lives, and seemingly blaming others for their own problem.
I mean if folks like Tiger Woods, Colin Powerll, Condie Rice, Neil deGrasse Tyson and President Barack Obama can become famous and respected on their own volitions, then the real problem seems to be that folks in the Ghetto just don't seem to want to get out, and rather just stay there while complaining about sour grapes because some others got more suscessful than they did.
[editline]27th August 2015[/editline]
Almost forgot to mention Oprah Winfrey, her early life was fucking garbage, but then overtime she commited to herself and became known as "America's Mom". Just read her story and that says a whole lot.[/QUOTE]
Saying that people just "don't want to leave the ghetto" is absurd.
Listen to almost any hip-hop. It's largely about "making it" and escaping the ghetto. There's thousands of songs about using music to provide for their families. Almost every song is about getting rich and finding success and getting out. People [i]absolutely[/i] want to leave the ghetto - they're just unable to.
How are you supposed to get out of the ghetto? You were raised there your whole life. You have no social contacts to take advantage of outside of the ghetto in order to boost yourself to a better job. Your parents and your peers are all taking part in gang culture. You don't know anything else. The social pressure to take part in gangs is enormously high - you could get bullied or even beaten if you aren't tough enough to defend yourself. Your school is super underfunded and laughably incompetent - you're barely past geometry when you graduate. You turn to drugs, because there's nothing else to do - it's ingrained into your mind that there's no chance of getting out from the moment you're born. You get arrested. Now you have a drug offense on your record. Good luck getting a job other than fast food service.
People [i]can[/i] escape from the ghetto, but implying that [i]they don't want to[/i] is just laughable. There are hundreds of stories of people using music, art, athleticism, intelligence, and an inordinate amount of drive to get out. It's a cycle that is incredibly difficult to break - throwing more police at those areas won't help. It will help catch violent offenders and reduce violent crime, but it simply deals with the [I]symptoms[/I] while ignoring the actual [I]disease[/I].
Symptom relief is helpful, but when you have terminal cancer and know that you're on the verge of death, you're still not going to be very content when you get symptom relief.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48557113]It's an incredibly difficult situation. You want more people in those areas to become cops so that their law enforcement better represents them, but then nobody wants to be cops because the outsourced cops are abusive and don't have a relationship with other members of the community. It's a constant erosion of trust - even if a local person decided to become a cop and work there to help his/her community, they'd probably be viewed negatively due to the apathy of non-local police. Spirals forever and ever.[/QUOTE]
What about a rebranding of sorts? Instead of Police, Civil Security or something. Recruited locally, less professional*, more focus on community interaction, perhaps a ranking system where community members can rate the peace officers. Would work closely with city police in order to better communicate the needs of the community to the city, and hopefully keep corruption low. Also significantly less focus on drug crimes, both to reduce non-violent arrests and to reduce motives for potentially corrupt cops wanting to harass people.
By less professional, I mean lower standards for recruitment ignoring non-violent crimes or lack of education. That's not to say it'd be fine for them to peddle drugs on the side, but if they were arrested with a gram of weed once a few years ago it wouldn't bar them from joining.
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