• Accepting linguistic development
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First of all, I would like to define speech as an artform by simply acknowledging the fact that anything expressionable can be expressed in almost an infinite ways of syntax. You can reach the same goal, no matter what choice of words you use in your sentences. After that, the task is up to the reader. However we follow grammatical and semantic rules, defining how our structural syntax will be laid out. Not following these rules, will result in misinterpretation and followed by misunderstanding. This is a typical problem when people keep arguing about something that is fueled by misunderstanding. Someone once told me that I should avoid using big words to ease out the misunderstanding, and that language is made to communicate efficiently. Well, language constitutes a logical set of rules, failure to comprehend these rules and the deficit that includes a narrow vocabulary applies the burden on the individual with a narrow vocabulary. Vocabulary, grammar, semantics. They are a part of the English language, failure to accept this will make you communicative dumber. I find it quite odd that people rather use the most simplistic ways of communicating without ever learning basic vocabulary. You need to follow the rules of the language to be understood, don't slack. If everyone followed these rules, everyone will understand everyone. We are modern humans now, there's no need to downgrade ourselves to cognitive dysfunction. Otherwise you might as well retreat to cavemen grunting.
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[QUOTE=Da Fat Cat v3;31751817]u fuecken nerd[/QUOTE] Yes, the typical response displaying language deficiency.
I agree with you, though not everyone has the time nor patience to learn an entire language.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;31751924]Yes, the typical response displaying language deficiency.[/QUOTE] If you talked like that for your entire time here at FP, using those big words and what not, I will love you.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;31751794]by simply acknowledge the fact[/QUOTE]
I find it funny that your title is "Accepting Linguistic Development" (which, since it is a title, should be capitalized by the way), when your thread is actually about adhering to strict rules in language and keeping it stagnant, for better of for worse. While you may dislike the fact that people do not have the bare minimum effort in typing when speaking in an informal setting many texters, typers, and every day joes would argue it saves time in typing when replacing and shortening words. I would even argue that a lack of adherence to every single rule is what helps a language evolve to encompass new meanings or change to suit a new time. I love seeing language being used in new ways as it lets you see the constantly changing atmosphere of the world we live in, simply through the subtle changes in someone's text. I leave you with this: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7E-aoXLZGY[/media] The words of Stephen Fry sum up my points better than I ever could.
[QUOTE=doomkiwi;31752268]I find it funny that your title is "Accepting Linguistic Development" (which, since it is a title, should be capitalized by the way), when your thread is actually about adhering to strict rules in language and keeping it stagnant, for better of for worse. While you may dislike the fact that people do not have the bare minimum effort in typing when speaking in an informal setting many texters, typers, and every day joes would argue it saves time in typing when replacing and shortening words. I would even argue that a lack of adherence to every single rule is what helps a language evolve to encompass new meanings or change to suit a new time. I love seeing language being used in new ways as it lets you see the constantly changing atmosphere of the world we live in, simply through the subtle changes in someone's text. I leave you with this: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7E-aoXLZGY[/media] Stephen Fry.[/QUOTE] Yes, I have already seen that, but what I was trying to establish as an idea is that language, is developmentally progressing and at the same time you have to conform to the linguistic rules. A sort of hybrid development.
Can't tell if OP is trolling. Or just being stupid.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;31752389]A sort of hybrid development.[/QUOTE] That is a sentence fragment.
What rules are there? Who exactly makes these rules? There are indeed agreed upon norms in all language, but unless you live in France there are no "rules" with which language must adhere, it is society which defines where language's limits lie, not some definite group behind locked doors (unless you count Oxford, or Webster, both of which can go suck on my perineum if they think they are the end all source for what is right in language). Nobody is able to or should be able to tell someone how to speak on a daily basis as long as one can get their point across. [editline]15th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Colliseemoe;31752576]That is a sentence fragment.[/QUOTE] Fuck, I should have gotten that.
[QUOTE=NoobSauce;31752477]Can't tell if OP is trolling. Or just being stupid.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, would you care to elaborate? Trolling is defined by actively, as a purpose, to be obnoxious. Stupid in what manner? Would you care to enlighten me with your perspective on what you would define as stupid?
[QUOTE=Memnoth;31752659]I'm sorry, would you care to elaborate? Trolling is defined by actively, as a purpose, to be obnoxious. Stupid in what manner? Would you care to enlighten me with your perspective on what you would define as stupid?[/QUOTE] Why do you care how spell/pronounce?If we can understand them then where's the problem? If you don't like how people use the language,well you can either go fuck yourself or sit here and be a picky bastard.
[QUOTE=NoobSauce;31752715]Why do you care how spell/pronounce?If we can understand them then where's the problem? If you don't like how people use the language,well you can either go fuck yourself or sit here and be a picky bastard.[/QUOTE] Well, I'm simply postulating a hypothesis where communication would be a more simplistic interactive engagement. But you seem to be really offended for some reason.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;31752812]Well, I'm simply postulating a hypothesis where communication would be a more simplistic interactive engagement. But you seem to be really offended for some reason.[/QUOTE] The only thing that offends me is how you make a thread that explains how people aren't using the English language correctly.Which is completely stupid.Like I said,why do you care how people use it?It's only okay to correct someone if they're slapping their dick on the keyboard and post whatever comes up.But making a thread about it seems....just unnecessary.
[QUOTE=NoobSauce;31752865]The only thing that offends me is how you make a thread that explains how people aren't using the English language correctly.Which is completely stupid.Like I said,why do you care how people use it?It's only okay to correct someone if they're slapping their dick on the keyboard and post whatever comes up.But making a thread about it seems....just unnecessary.[/QUOTE] Right, let's define a forum: A location, virtually or not, specifically designed to express ideas and thoughts. This brings forth the conclusion of that you too are entitled to your opinion. It just feels more logical to conform to the rules of language to express yourself, because otherwise you would end up with the most crude forms of communication which not everyone understands. This defies the concept of communication.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;31752812]Well, I'm simply postulating a hypothesis where communication would be a more simplistic interactive engagement.[/QUOTE] You're missing a few commas. You should practice what you preach.
[QUOTE=Colliseemoe;31753009]You're missing a few commas. You should practice what you preach.[/QUOTE] Actually I'm not even a native English speaker, so bare with me.
I think the OP is trying to make a point with how badly riddled with grammatical and syntactical errors his post is Too bad I could understand it all with relative ease. Suck it
big words, no understand
[QUOTE=FalcoLombardi;31753152]big words, no understand[/QUOTE] *grunt*
I disagree OP, and present a harsh critique. [img]http://i.imgur.com/b3yBb.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31754387]I disagree OP, and present a harsh critique.[/QUOTE] Well, the problem is, if everyone conformed to an individual self-constructed language, we would no longer be able to communicate. Dialects would spiral all out of control until new languages are reached.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;31754536]Well, the problem is, if everyone conformed to an individual self-constructed language, we would no longer be able to communicate. Dialects would spiral all out of control until new languages are reached.[/QUOTE] So what's your plan to stop that from happening
[QUOTE=Memnoth;31754536]Well, the problem is, if everyone conformed to an individual self-constructed language, we would no longer be able to communicate. Dialects would spiral all out of control until new languages are reached.[/QUOTE] Not quite, left on its own without interference the languages would begin to slowly merge together or die out. It would be actually quite good to encourage the smaller languages to die out, and come to a point where half a dozen languages are all that remains, spoken globally. (This process is already occurring by itself, but a great deal of old farts and nationalists try to cling onto their dying languages as the world becomes smaller.)
[QUOTE=Colliseemoe;31753009]You're missing a few commas.[/QUOTE] No he isn't. The sentence you quoted is grammatically correct, even though commas could be added if desired. [QUOTE=NoobSauce;31752865]The only thing that offends me is how you make a thread that explains how people aren't using the English language correctly.[/QUOTE] The complexity of any language is due to its use of strict, hierarchical terms and structures used to convey meaning. Every letter and punctuation mark has its purpose. While you may be able to understand someone who doesn't employ proper spelling and punctuation, there is a degree of meaning in the words that is lost. Text has long been known as a poor method of conveying emotion or timing- some kinds of comedy are exceptionally poor when written, many moving speeches are dry and unimaginative when transcribed. Poor grammar and spelling only exacerbate this problem. Let me rephrase the above paragraph: nah d00d ya losde thngs wen u tak liek dis, lk timing n stff While the blunt, raw meaning may still be conveyed (and in fewer words, to boot), the tone, style, and timber of the message is lost. Poetry is an art form based entirely on the depiction of such concepts through words, and so text-speak can be seen as its antithesis. There's nothing wrong with misplaced punctuation here and there, or a few misused words that spellcheck doesn't catch. The issue is more with the idea that it doesn't matter, that it's not important, and that it's unreasonable to expect a modicum of proper grammar in an online discussion. tl;dr Poor spelling/grammar when you type is like slurring and mumbling when you talk. People may be able to understand what you're saying, but it obscures your meaning and negatively affects how you're received by others. That's my $0.02.
Hurrrr I speel gooder. :downs: No, but seriously I kinda get where you are going but it wasn't presented very well. I get the feeling you are trying way to hard, personally.
Some people obsess over words which I find rather pointless.
What I find hilarious is how the OP managed to write a passage about developing language skills with so many glaringly obvious grammatical mistakes...
You seem like some one between the ages of 13 and 16 who has just figured out that they can wow their friends by forming complex sentences. You try to use big words and convoluted sentence structure to get your point across, but pretty much everyone with a knack for the english language can see how flawed what you're doing is. I used to think just like you, that being able to use big words in conversation was a sign of intelligence and that I was really smart when my friends had no idea what I was talking about. Then I realized that the most elegant art is being able to explain something complicated to a 6 year old. You will learn to appreciate this too. Maybe you won't pick it up now, but in a few years you'l realize how much more fun it is to not have to explain things twice. My point is, stop trying so hard to sound smart and instead try hard to be clear. Clarity is elegance.
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