• Palestinian jailed for rape since the women who he had sex with thought he was a Jew
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[B]A Palestinian man has been convicted of rape after having consensual sex with an Israeli woman who believed he was Jewish because he introduced himself as "Daniel". [/B][quote=Telegraph] A court in Jerusalem has made international legal history by jailing Sabbar Kashur, a 30-year-old delivery man from East Jerusalem, for 18 months. He was convicted of "rape by deception" following a criminal trial that has drawn criticism from across Israel. The court heard accusations that Mr Kashur misled the woman, whose identity has not been disclosed, by introducing himself with the traditionally Jewish name during a chance encounter on a street in central Jerusalem in 2008. After striking up a conversation, the two went into a top-floor room of a nearby office-block and engaged in a sexual encounter, after which Mr Kashur left before the woman had a chance to get dressed. It was only later that she discovered Mr Kashur's true racial background, lawyers said. Although conceding that the sex was consensual, district court judge Tzvi Segal concluded that the law had a duty to protect women from "smooth-tongued criminals who can deceive innocent victims at an unbearable price" "If she hadn't thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have co-operated," Mrs Segal said as she delivered her verdict. A conviction for rape by deception on the grounds of racial misrepresentation is believed to be internationally unprecedented, according to British legal experts. The charge is rarely used in the West. In 2007, a Syrian pilot walked free from a court in Swansea after being accused of tricking a woman into intercourse by saying it could cure her of a sexually transmitted disease. A court in Massachusetts also acquitted a man who allegedly masqueraded as his twin-brother in order to have sex with the man's wife. While forced sex by deception is an offence under Israeli law, legal experts say it is a charge used sparingly in cases involving protracted deceit and a promise of marriage. Kashur was originally accused of violent rape and indecent assault, but later accepted the lesser charge under a plea-bargain after prosecutors received evidence suggesting the encounter was consensual. Kashur’s lawyer, Adnan Aladdin, said he had filed an appeal to ensure that the verdict was not considered precedent-setting, adding that otherwise “many men would find themselves in jail.” Israeli legal experts said they found the verdict disquieting. "In the context of Israeli society, you can see that some women would feel very strongly that they had been violated by someone who says he is Jewish but is not," said a former senior justice ministry official. "The question is whether the state should punish somebody in that situation. It puts the law in the position of what could loosely be described as discrimination. I would feel intuitively uncomfortable about prosecuting someone for something like that." Asked whether his client was the victim of racial discrimination, Mr Aladdin said he "would rather not comment". Others, however, were scathing. [B] Gideon Levy, a leading liberal commentator, said: "I would like to raise only one question with the judge. What if this guy had been a Jew who pretended to be a Muslim and had sex with a Muslim woman. Would he have been convicted of rape? The answer is: of course not." [/B] Israeli human rights activists said that Kashur's actions reflected the deceits many Palestinians practise when in Israel in an attempt to avoid official and private prejudice because of their background. "It is very well known that Israeli-Palestinians living in Israel disguise themselves," said Leah Tsemel, a human-rights lawyer. "You change your accent and you change your dress because if you look like an Arab you face harassment. [highlight] "If you want to enter a pub, you'd better not look like an Arab and if you want to have sex with an Israeli girl, you had better not look like an Arab." [/highlight] The prosecutor in the case was unavailable for comment and officials in the Jerusalem district attorney's office declined to discuss it.[/quote] [URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7901025/Palestinian-jailed-for-rape-after-claiming-to-be-Jewish.html[/URL] Followup [B]Israeli Arab who 'raped' a woman says verdict 'racist'[/B] [quote=BBC] Sabbar Kashur, 30, was found guilty of "rape by deception" by the Israeli court and sentenced to 18 months in jail. According to the complaint filed by the woman, the two met in a Jerusalem street in 2008 and had sex that day. When she discovered he was not Jewish, but an Arab, she went to the police. Kashur was arrested and charged with rape and indecent assault, but the charges were later replaced by a different charge of "rape by deception". House arrest But according to Kashur, he did not pretend to be Jewish. He told reporters that he is known by friends and family by the nickname Dudu, which is more commonly used by Jews called David. He has been under house arrest for two years, he said. "If I were Jewish, they wouldn't have even questioned me," the Haaretz newspaper quoted him as saying. "That's not called rape, I didn't rape her in the forest and and throw her away naked. She agreed to everything that happened." 'Unbearable price' In the court's ruling the judge, Zvi Segal, wrote: "If she had not thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious relationship, she would not have co-operated. "The court is obliged to protect the public interest from sophisticated, smooth-tongued criminals who can deceive innocent victims at an unbearable price - the sanctity of their bodies and souls." But Kashur says events were different. "I'd say she set upon me. She was interested in my motorcycle and so we talked. I didn't pretend." 'Problematic' There is a precedent in Israel for criminal charges being brought in such cases. One man who told women he slept with he was a neurosurgeon in order to impress them was convicted of fraud. A lawyer with the Public Defenders' Office said the court had gone too far. "The test the court used is problematic," said Elkana Laist. "Every time a man tells a woman he loves her, based on which she sleeps with him, he could be convicted of rape." Kashur's lawyers say he will appeal against the sentence. Around 20% of Israel's population are of Arab descent.[/quote] [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10717186[/URL] tl;dr An Israeli Arab introduced himself to a girl as Daniel (He says that's what his friends call him), the girl thought he was a Jew since Daniel is a Jewish name, so they had consensual sex. She later found out he wasen't a Jew at all and she told the police. Now he has been tried with rape and has been sentenced to over a year in prison. Israeli justice system at it's best.
Wow, Isreal's justice system sucks. Same with Dubai and most middle east countries. The man is getting jailed because the girl assumed he was a jew?
This obviously isn't rape but, I remember that a few years ago something similar happened with a woman who disguised herself as a man to sleep with other women, I think she got jailed for rape as well, obviously this isn't the same but there are similarities.
that would suck if you were that guy that got sent to prison
1. Retarded law states: A rapist is 2) (one who has intercourse) with a woman consent through deception regarding his identity (who is he, what is he etc') and regarding the reason for the act (the 'rapist' claims it's part of a healing treatment, for instance). According to the retarded law, the poor guy can indeed be accused of 'rape through deception'. 5 years ago a Jewish guy was convicted to prison because he claimed he's a pilot in order to have sex with women. This is a non-issue (I mean, the retarded law is an issue, but this isn't racism), and the only reason it made news worldwide is because people can shout racism. By the way, this thing also exists in Britain.
What the fuck? This is disgraceful. [quote]Although conceding that the sex was consensual, district court judge Tzvi Segal concluded that the law had a duty to protect women from "smooth-tongued criminals who can deceive innocent victims at an unbearable price" [/quote] No, the law does not have a duty to protect women from being chatted up in a bar and then finding out the guy is a sleeze bag. Hell, he doesn't even seem like a sleeze bag - he just said his name was "Dudu" and she went and assumed he was Jewish. [quote] "If she hadn't thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have co-operated," Mrs Segal said as she delivered her verdict. [/quote] She's a lying whore - if she thought he was interested in a serious romantic relationship she wouldn't have fucked him in an office block the first time she met him. Fuck this makes me angry. Stupid bigoted country.
[quote]No, the law does not have a duty to protect women from being chatted up in a bar and then finding out the guy is a sleeze bag. Hell, he doesn't even seem like a sleeze bag - he just said his name was "Dudu" and she went and assumed he was Jewish.[/quote] What? That's what the law states... Seriously, nothing bigoted here, just stupidity. Also, good to see you starpluck, we hadn't have Israel thread for 2 pages! The poor guy probably had the worst lawyer ever. Anyway I'm waiting for his apeal. The vast majority of the people in Israel are behind him from my observation.
[QUOTE=ohadje;23538937]1. Retarded law states: A rapist is 2) (one who has intercourse) with a woman consent through deception regarding his identity (who is he, what is he etc') and regarding the reason for the act (the 'rapist' claims it's part of a healing treatment, for instance). According to the retarded law, the poor guy can indeed be accused of 'rape through deception'. 5 years ago a Jewish guy was convicted to prison because he claimed he's a pilot in order to have sex with women. This is a non-issue (I mean, the retarded law is an issue, but this isn't racism), and the only reason it made news worldwide is because people can shout racism. By the way, this thing also exists in Britain.[/QUOTE] You could say that it's racist if someone has to tell his to-be parter his ethnicity. I mean, he didn't even lie about it, it's not like he said "yeah I'm Jewish", he never said anything about it.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23539009]You could say that it's racist if someone has to tell his to-be parter his ethnicity. I mean, he didn't even lie about it, it's not like he said "yeah I'm Jewish", he never said anything about it.[/QUOTE] Yeah probably the woman was racist/prejuidce... but that's irrelevant. And she claims he did say while he claims he didn't. In every rape/sexual harrasment sentence in Israel the woman's word is always considered more cradieble to the man's word. The cases of someone who was accused of rape/sexual harrasment in Israel in a situation of a word vs. word and got acquitted (zuka?) are so small in precentage in compared to those who were found guilty.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23538810]This obviously isn't rape but, I remember that a few years ago something similar happened with a woman who disguised herself as a man to sleep with other women, I think she got jailed for rape as well, obviously this isn't the same but there are similarities.[/QUOTE] Except the thing is, she actually DID decieve that chick, this guy didn't. The only similarities are that in both cases two folk bumped uglies.
[QUOTE=bravehat;23539433]Except the thing is, she actually DID decieve that chick, this guy didn't. The only similarities are that in both cases two folk bumped uglies.[/QUOTE] Yeah I only read the part about the woman saying that he deceived her, not his testimony*. Obviously we can't tell who's telling the truth and who's lying but it's a 50/50. *Edit: When I wrote that, I mean.
despicable,purely despicable and the Israelis still portray themselves as the victims.
It's like a real life Quagmire. :quagmire:
[QUOTE=privatesmily;23539530]despicable,purely despicable and the Israelis still portray themselves as the victims.[/QUOTE] What? How about making sense?
What the hell? They banged each other after talking on the street?
Such is the way of Israel.
Ironic how Israel is persecuting people based on their ethnicity. Almost seems like they would know the most about how much it sucks to get treated that way.
but but, the big bad Arabs are out to get us :ohdear: [editline]12:55PM[/editline] fuck you, Israel
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;23541213]Ironic how Israel is persecuting people based on their ethnicity. Almost seems like they would know the most about how much it sucks to get treated that way.[/QUOTE] Rated bad reading.
[QUOTE=starpluck;23538682][B]A Palestinian man has been convicted of rape after having consensual sex with an Israeli woman who believed he was Jewish because he introduced himself as "Daniel". [/B] [URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7901025/Palestinian-jailed-for-rape-after-claiming-to-be-Jewish.html[/URL] Followup [B]Israeli Arab who 'raped' a woman says verdict 'racist'[/B] [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10717186[/URL] tl;dr An Israeli Arab introduced himself to a girl as Daniel (He says that's what his friends call him), the girl thought he was a Jew since Daniel is a Jewish name, so they had consensual sex. She later found out he wasen't a Jew at all and she told the police. Now he has been tried with rape and has been sentenced to over a year in prison. Israeli justice system at it's best.[/QUOTE] Wait wait wait, I know the whole situation is wrong and all, but only a year for what is, in the eyes of the court, a rape? Like I said I'm not agreeing with it being rape, but still.
[QUOTE=trent_roolz;23541354]Wait wait wait, I know the whole situation is wrong and all, but only a year for what is, in the eyes of the court, a rape? Like I said I'm not agreeing with it being rape, but still.[/QUOTE] The Israeli legal system is ridiculously easy with criminals. A murderer of first degree can get, like, 10 years in jail. A couple who did a hit-and-run accident of a 12 years old a parelyzed him got only 3 years in jail. Oh, and, here's a fun fact: An Israeli man who threw a shoe at a supreme court judge (hit her face) got 3 years in prison (same as the hit-and-run couple). Absolut joke.
Not to mention how all these guys were probably let off quite a bit before their time was up.
:psyduck: i don't understand
I saw this on Al Jazeera yesterday. There was a woman from the Rape Centre being interviewed and she looked ridiculous.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;23538810]This obviously isn't rape but, I remember that a few years ago something similar happened with a woman who disguised herself as a man to sleep with other women, I think she got jailed for rape as well, obviously this isn't the same but there are similarities.[/QUOTE] no there are no similarities, burnemdown, you're just a bigot.
What a backwards place.
[QUOTE=Warhol;23584376]no there are no similarities, burnemdown, you're just a bigot.[/QUOTE] Yes there are similarities, warhol, you're just an idiot.
if you kids can't talk using your words, you're both gonna get a slap from me
[QUOTE=thisispain;23585021]if you kids can't talk using your words, you're both gonna get a slap from me[/QUOTE] But they are using words.
[QUOTE=Jund;23585036]But they are using words.[/QUOTE] i fucked up
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