Israeli PM "regrets" death as troops storm aid ships
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[quote=BBC]
Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has expressed regret after at least nine people died when troops stormed ships trying to break the Gaza blockade.
But he said soldiers had been defending themselves after they were "clubbed, beaten and stabbed".
Pro-Palestinian campaigners say the soldiers opened fire unprovoked when they landed on the aid-carrying ships.
There has been international condemnation of the loss of life, and the UN is holding an emergency session.
As the meeting of the UN Security Council got under way in New York, diplomats said the draft text of a resolution called for condemnation of the operation, the immediate release of the impounded ships and for an international inquiry.
Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu called the incident "murder committed by a state" and said Israel had "lost all legitimacy".
But Israeli UN representative Daniel Carmon told the Security Council that some on board the ships had motives other than providing humanitarian assistance, and had tried to lynch Israeli soldiers.
Mr Netanyahu cut short a visit to Canada to deal with the growing crisis and cancelled a scheduled meeting in Washington with US President Barack Obama on Tuesday.
Israel imposed a blockade on the Gaza Strip after the Islamist movement Hamas took power there in 2007.
The six-ship convoy had set out to carry 10,000 tonnes of aid from Cyprus to Gaza, despite repeated Israeli warnings that it would not be allowed to reach the territory.
In a statement, Mr Netanyahu defended the Israeli operation, saying troops were attacked when they landed on the largest of the six ships in the flotilla.
"They were mobbed. They were clubbed, they were beaten, stabbed," he said.
"There was even a report of gunfire and our soldiers had to defend themselves, defend their lives or they would have been killed.
"Regrettably, in this exchange... people died. We regret this loss of life. We regret any of the violence."
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Sorry if this is late, couldn't find it posted.
Source: [URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10199480.stm[/URL]
activists attacked first
the other ships were peaceful
[QUOTE=Leon;22290233]activists attacked first
the other ships were peaceful[/QUOTE]
Nobody knows what happened yet, don't be so quick to listen to Israeli propaganda when those were aboard are dead or detained.
[QUOTE=Sporkfire;22290287]Nobody knows what happened yet, don't be so quick to listen to Israeli propaganda when those were aboard are dead or detained.[/QUOTE]
And communication was cut off.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22290298]And communication was cut off.[/QUOTE]
Probably on purpose, so they can happily kill people.
:doh: and what is this going to solve?
[QUOTE=Sporkfire;22290287]Nobody knows what happened yet, don't be so quick to listen to Israeli propaganda when those were aboard are dead or detained.[/QUOTE]
uh, it actually is known very well that they attacked first. in fact, it's documented:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&feature=player_embedded[/URL]
[QUOTE=ohadeEyY;22291067]uh, it actually is known very well that they attacked first. in fact, it's documented:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&feature=player_embedded[/URL][/QUOTE]
That's not evidence they were attacked first, that's evidence the soldiers that boarded in this instance were attacked.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22291106]That's not evidence they were attacked first, that's evidence the soldiers that boarded in this instance were attacked.[/QUOTE]
That's the only instance. There was only 1 event, on only one ship. Rest of the ships coporated with the Israeli authorities very well.
[QUOTE=ohadeEyY;22291123]That's the only instance. There was only 1 event, on only one ship. Rest of the ships coporated with the Israeli authorities very well.[/QUOTE]
Only one ship had it's communications cut off.
[QUOTE=ohadeEyY;22291067]uh, it actually is known very well that they attacked first. in fact, it's documented:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&feature=player_embedded[/URL][/QUOTE]
nice source
[QUOTE=ohadeEyY;22291067]uh, it actually is known very well that they attacked first. in fact, it's documented:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&feature=player_embedded[/URL][/QUOTE]
Nice find now I'm gonna wait for Mr.Scorpio's bullshit response. :smug:
You can't deny this, they were attacked as soon as they landed on the ship. :jihad:
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22291161]Only one ship had it's communications cut off.[/QUOTE]
According to?
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nice source
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it isn't an article, it's fucking video. You can't argue with that unless you are gonna claim it's some scene of an American special forces movie from the 60s.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;22291276]Nice find now I'm gonna wait for Mr.Scorpio's bullshit response. :smug:
You can't deny this, they were attacked as soon as they landed on the ship. :jihad:[/QUOTE]
south koreans attacked the north ship first, i have proof, it's from the north korean website!
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;22291299]south koreans attacked the north ship first, i have proof, it's from the north korean website![/QUOTE]
Does that mean that the camera showed different footage because it belonged to the Israeli?
[QUOTE=Johnnsen;22291334]Does that mean that the camera showed different footage because it belonged to the Israeli?[/QUOTE]
No, it simply means that they edited the footage to make them look more favorable in the spotlight, notice they don't show videos of them trying to enter or storming the ship, they immediately cut to the point where the passengers are fighting back.
Why do you believe the passengers are idiots? By fighting with poles and beating officers, they're only lowering their public relations.
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[QUOTE=Johnnsen;22291334]Does that mean that the camera showed different footage because it belonged to the Israeli?[/QUOTE]
No, it's a matter of what happened before and after the video.
You can make a lot of things seem true by only showing a small clip of what happened. It's called cherry picking.
the guy who has that video up is a idf spokesman, obviously its going to be biased you fucking dumb asses.
[QUOTE=ohadeEyY;22291297]According to?
it isn't an article, it's fucking video. You can't argue with that unless you are gonna claim it's some scene of an American special forces movie from the 60s.[/QUOTE]
It's a video, owned, edited, and released by the Israeli government.
Why aren't they showing when the boats are going toward the ships? Why aren't they showing the commandos storming/boarding the ship?
Why aren't they showing the confrontation before the whole mess?
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Why do you believe the passengers are idiots? By fighting with poles and beating officers, they're only lowering their public relations.[/QUOTE]
I don't, was just asking how that comment was meant from you.
The same question goes for the soldiers too though. If it was intended, it is just as idiotic because you will have a hell of a time explaining why you shot a bunch of peace activists.
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No, it's a matter of what happened before and after the video.
You can make a lot of things seem true by only showing a small clip of what happened. It's called cherry picking.
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what happened after the video is some of the attackers being shot by the soldiers.
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Why aren't they showing the commandos storming/boarding the ship?
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they did.
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Why aren't they showing when the boats are going toward the ships?
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and...... lets say they'll releasee such footage - showing boats going toward the [B]ship[/B] - what would you conclude from it... besides that the boats going towards the ship?
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Why aren't they showing the confrontation before the whole mess?
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the footage is the confrontation...
[QUOTE=ohadeEyY;22291467]what happened after the video is some of the attackers being shot by the soldiers.
they did.
and...... lets say they'll releasee such footage - showing boats going toward the [B]ship[/B] - what would you conclude from it... besides that the boats going towards the ship?
the footage is the confrontation...[/QUOTE]
Oh yes, of course, we just don't [I]need[/I] the previous footage.
Why? Because Israel told us so of course. Fucking circular reasoning.
Okay, by watching the video without any of the commentary, I see Israeli Commandos attempting to land on a Humanitarian ship. I see Commandos being mobbed and attacked and being beaten with various objects by the activists.
I don't really see bullet holes or heat residues on the sides of the ship, but I can't really tell seeing that it's recorded in thermal.
If I were one of those guys, I would definitely open up a few rounds, any one of those guys could have possessed a knife.
But those choppers make a shitload of noise, that's good enough to spook a few of them into attacking.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22291495]Oh yes, of course, we just don't [I]need[/I] the previous footage.
Why? Because Israel told us so of course. Fucking circular reasoning.[/QUOTE]
There was nothing in his post about Israel telling him anything.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;22291506]Okay, by watching the video without any of the commentary, I see Israeli Commandos attempting to land on a Humanitarian ship. I see Commandos being mobbed and attacked and being beaten with various objects by the activists.
I don't really see bullet holes or heat residues on the sides of the ship, but I can't really tell seeing that it's recorded in thermal.
If I were one of those guys, I would definitely open up a few rounds, any one of those guys could have possessed a knife.[/QUOTE]
I have teeth. Better shoot me, I might bite you.
[QUOTE=ohadeEyY;22291467]what happened after the video is some of the attackers being shot by the soldiers. [/QUOTE]
where is it?
[quote]they did.[/QUOTE]
That's a footage by helicopter entrance, there's one by boat.
[quote]and...... lets say they'll releasee such footage - showing boats going toward the [B]ship[/B] - what would you conclude from it... besides that the boats going towards the ship?[/QUOTE]
The Israeli's firing at them even before they boarded? That's a huge part, it screaming that they attacked first, therefore the passengers were justified in attacking.
[quote]the footage is the confrontation...[/QUOTE]
So, you didn't see the passengers were waving the white flag and cowering as the Israeli's began to fire for no reason?
Who the fuck do you think is on that ship? It's not full of serial killers, it's full of well-known international peace activists.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;22291517]There was nothing in his post about Israel telling him anything.[/QUOTE]
He said we don't need the previous footage because nothing happens in it. That is Israels stance.
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where is it?
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It wasn't published, but it is known that it happened...
[QUOTE]That's a footage by helicopter entrance, there's one by boat.[/QUOTE]link please.
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The Israeli's firing at them even before they boarded? That's a huge part, it screaming that they attacked first, therefore the passengers were justified in attacking.
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There's no evidence that it happened. So, according to the evidence that is now known only one conclusion can be made: the passangers attacked first. If you want to speculate otherwise solely because it fits your political agena, go ahead - but don't try to claim it is somehow correct and backed with evidence.
[QUOTE]Who the fuck do you think is on that ship? It's not full of serial killers, it's full of well-known international peace activists. [/QUOTE]ye, the footage did show how peacefull they are. too bad the part where they put flowers into the soldiers' guns' barrels wasn't published.
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He said we don't need the previous footage because nothing happens in it. That is Israels stance.
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uh, that's my stance, thank you very much.
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oh, hai there peaceful activists!
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk&feature=player_embedded[/URL]
khaiber is a battle that occured about 1400 yeras ago in the Arabian Peninsula between a Jewish Tribe and Muhammad's army, in which the Jews were wiped out.
[QUOTE=ohadeEyY;22291579]It wasn't published, but it is known that it happened...
link please.
There's no evidence that it happened. So, according to the evidence that is now known only one conclusion can be made: the passangers attacked first. If you want to speculate otherwise solely because it fits your political agena, go ahead - but don't try to claim it is somehow correct and backed with evidence.
ye, the footage did show how peacefull they are. too bad the part where they put flowers into the soldiers' guns' barrels wasn't published.
uh, that's my stance, thank you very much.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www9.gazetevatan.com/israil-turk-bayrakli-yardim-gemisinde-olum-kustu/308396/1/Gundem[/url]
there you go, if you can use the israeli government footage, I can use this.
And by saying agenda, you imply I hate Israel as a whole, this is wrong. I support the existence of Israel, but I despise what they do to the Palestinians.
And this is [b]illegal[/b], this is international waters.
I swear, Israeli can go ahead and do a Palestinian holocaust, and you'll [b]STILL[/b] support them.
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