• Trump sits, talks through song lowering the flag at military base amid NFL anthem controversy
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[quote]President Trump sat and talked through the nightly playing of "Retreat" as the American flag was lowered on a Pennsylvania Air National Guard base during his interview with Sean Hannity. Trump, who has been criticizing NFL players who kneel through the national anthem to protest racism, seemed caught off-guard by loudspeakers playing "Retreat." The song is played every night at military bases to signal the American flag being lowered and the end of the official duty day. Military site Task and Purpose was the first to notice Trump sitting during the song. According to Task and Purpose, uniformed service members are required to stop what they're doing and salute the flag as its lowered during the song while civilians are required to place their hand over their heart. Trump not only does not stand or place his hand over his heart, but instead [b]talks through the song and assumes it's being played to honor him or Hannity.[/b] People watching the rally can be seen standing for the song in the background of Trump's interview, but Trump seems to not know what the song means. [b]"Are they playing that for you or for me?" Trump joked to Hannity.[/b] "They're playing that in honor of his ratings. He's beating everybody."[/quote] [url=http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-sits-talks-through-song-lowering-the-flag-at-military-base-amid-nfl-anthem-controversy/article/2637296]Source: The Washington Examiner[/url] ([url=https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/]Media Bias/Fact Check Page[/url]) [t]https://i0.wp.com/mediabiasfactcheck.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/rightcenter03.png?ssl=1[/t] This is one of the times where all in attendance are required to stand, [i][b]especially[/b][/i] military, which Trump is the Commander in Chief of. The official rules in the U.S. Code are: [quote=4 U.S. Code § 9 - Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag]During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when the flag is passing in a parade or in review, all persons present in uniform should render the military salute. Members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute. All other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, or if applicable, remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Citizens of other countries present should stand at attention. All such conduct toward the flag in a moving column should be rendered at the moment the flag passes.[/quote]
I guarantee you he doesn't even know the significance of the song or what it represents or that you're supposed to stand.
And before people say he might not have known, he did go to military school. He should know better
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;52774858]And before people say he might not have known, he did go to military school. He should know better[/QUOTE] This assumes be both paid attention and retained the knowledge. I put this several leagues above his functional ability.
[QUOTE=Quark:;52774886]This assumes be both paid attention and retained the knowledge. I put this several leagues above his functional ability.[/QUOTE] But since his military school was apparently as traumatic as wartime military service, you'd think he'd still remember it... right?
Just more examples that Trump thinks the world revolves around him.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;52774858]And before people say he might not have known, he [del]did go to military school[/del] [B]is the fucking President of the United States[/B]. He should know better[/QUOTE] fixed.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;52774858]And before people say he might not have known, he did go to military school. He should know better[/QUOTE] He's also the fucking commander in cheif, youd think SOMEONE wouldve given him a basic rundown by now
Almost like the whole thing isn't a topic close to his heart but a cleverly manipulated controversy bomb designed to draw attention away from more important things and/or further divide the people... Not that I'm saying it's conspiracy tier or anything. Just a bit of coincidence that something "controversial" happens during a time where something that would be quite inconvenient for people to focus on instead is also occuring.
He doesn't care about the flag enough to respect it himself, but holy shit, if a bunch of sportball players kneel he'll go [I]fucking [B]nuts[/B][/I]
[QUOTE=Eva-1337;52775798]He doesn't care about the flag enough to respect it himself, but holy shit, if a bunch of sportball players kneel he'll go [I]fucking [B]nuts[/B][/I][/QUOTE] The simple explanation is that he's a narcissist. He sees their refusal to stand for the anthem as them disrespecting him personally, and that is the ONLY reason he cares.
How long till Mike Pence stands up and leaves the vice presidency in a huff?
Trump feels like some sort of ridiculous fictional villain or something.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52775885]How long till Mike Pence stands up and leaves the vice presidency in a huff?[/QUOTE] If he didn't refuse to work for a man that brags about sexually assaulting women, I doubt there's much that will ever deter the Vice Spinelessness.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;52774858]And before people say he might not have known, he did go to military school. He should know better[/QUOTE] isn't he an alleged draft dodger? [editline]13th October 2017[/editline] not that I agree with drafts anyways
[QUOTE=IKTM;52776035]Trump feels like some sort of ridiculous fictional villain or something.[/QUOTE] That's because a lot of the ridiculous fictional villains from the 80s and 90s where based on this guy.
To be fair he did seem heavily focused on the interview and did react when he noticed something was happening (although Trump, with the maturity of a child, handled this like so). It's not really comparable to actually protesting.
Wow trump is a hypocrite, wow, who'd have thought??? Certainly nobody who's been paying attention. His core support base will continue to justify how this isn't the same while desperately fellating his effigy, too.
[QUOTE=J!NX;52776422]isn't he an alleged draft dodger?[/QUOTE] Nah, just regular draft dodger.
[QUOTE=J!NX;52776422]isn't he an alleged draft dodger? [editline]13th October 2017[/editline] not that I agree with drafts anyways[/QUOTE] He is a draft dodger. His time in New York Military Academy wasn't military service. Conditions there are no worse than any camp for teenagers. Funny stories about his time there too. He was named Captain of A Company (17 years old at the time) and after a month moved out of the barracks and into the administration building. [QUOTE]In Trump’s telling, he was elevated as a reward for stellar performance. “I had total control over the cadets,” he said in a recent interview. “That’s why I got a promotion — because I did so good.”[/QUOTE] Meanwhile, if you ask the actual cadets that served under him. [QUOTE]Former cadets recall the change differently. They say school administrators transferred Trump after a freshman named Lee Ains complained of being hazed by a sergeant under Trump’s command. School officials, those cadets say, were concerned that [B]Trump’s style of delegating leadership responsibilities while spending a lot of time in his room, away from his team, allowed problems to fester[/B]. “They felt he wasn’t paying attention to his other officers as closely as he should have,” said Ains, who lives in Connecticut and works in the aerospace industry.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Bill Specht, the cadet who switched places with Trump, recalled an administrator telling him about the hazing incident and saying that “the school has decided that they are going to make a switch.”[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Although he received educational and medical deferments from the Vietnam War draft, he has said that the school provided him “[B]more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military.”[/B] “I did very well under the military system,” Trump said in an interview. [B]“I became one of the top guys at the whole school.”[/B][/QUOTE] Once a narcissist, always a narcissist. [QUOTE]Even at an academy renowned for imposing strict standards on its cadets, Trump often managed to play by his own rules. He often left campus on weekends and drew the envy of fellow students for his habit of bringing attractive women to the school. He also stirred resentment from some in his orbit.[/QUOTE] [URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decades-later-disagreement-over-young-trumps-military-academy-post/2016/01/09/907a67b2-b3e0-11e5-a842-0feb51d1d124_story.html?utm_term=.cc04e0a3ea9d[/URL] [URL]https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-post/[/URL] LEFT-CENTER BIAS Factual Reporting: [B]HIGH Also check it lol [QUOTE][/B]Trump, who in 2012 offered $5 million for the release of President Obama’s college transcript and other documents, said he would not give The Post permission to review his records from the military academy.[B][/QUOTE] [/B]
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52775885]How long till Mike Pence stands up and leaves the vice presidency in a huff?[/QUOTE] Never. If it wasn't for his appointment, his political career would've been over. His chances for re-election for governor in Indiana were getting pretty slim, so he's probably just glad he still has an office. [editline]13th October 2017[/editline] Plus, he might just be holding out for Trump to get ousted and take the presidency.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52775885]How long till Mike Pence stands up and leaves the vice presidency in a huff?[/QUOTE] pence is a cockroach, he's just glad he's gotten such a boost to his career
As I've said from day one, Trump has zero moral center. He couldn't give a single crap about the flag, anthem, etc.
[QUOTE=sgman91;52776846]As I've said from day one, Trump has zero moral center. He couldn't give a single crap about the flag, anthem, etc.[/QUOTE] No, he gives a huge crap about [I]his[/I] moral center. both because its his, and because it earns him adoration from his followers and he seemingly needs that to do anything
[QUOTE=paindoc;52776860]No, he gives a huge crap about [I]his[/I] moral center. both because its his, and because it earns him adoration from his followers and he seemingly needs that to do anything[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what you mean by that. Having a moral center means you have a consistent moral framework that you base decisions off of. He clearly doesn't have that. His goal is to prop up his own ego, build his fame, and create his legacy. As far as I can tell, he doesn't make decisions based off of a moral framework.
[QUOTE=J!NX;52776422]isn't he an alleged draft dodger? [editline]13th October 2017[/editline] not that I agree with drafts anyways[/QUOTE] There's no alleged here mate. He actually dodge the draft. The rich daddy bail me out equivalent of pulling a Ted Nugent as full swing with Trump's "painful bone spurs".
[QUOTE=sgman91;52776846]As I've said from day one, Trump has zero moral center. He couldn't give a single crap about the flag, anthem, etc.[/QUOTE] Honestly it weirds the rest of the world out about how Americans [I]do[/I] give a crap about the flag, anthem etc. Most have a soft nationalism where they don't get super up themselves about their country unless someone else does (Like here in england, the english can complain, the foreigners can't,and we'll drill them about all the positives or why they're wrong, and that's not an uncommon rule.) but the whole shit where a classroom of kids'll be made to sallute the flag and sing the national anthem is just Orwellian shit for us. I think the real shticker here is that Trumps aids didn't schedule the speech around the right time.
[QUOTE=The Jack;52777017]Honestly it weirds the rest of the world out about how Americans [I]do[/I] give a crap about the flag, anthem etc. Most have a soft nationalism where they don't get super up themselves about their country unless someone else does (Like here in england, the english can complain, the foreigners can't,and we'll drill them about all the positives or why they're wrong, and that's not an uncommon rule.) but the whole shit where a classroom of kids'll be made to sallute the flag and sing the national anthem is just Orwellian shit for us. I think the real shticker here is that Trumps aids didn't schedule the speech around the right time.[/QUOTE] It really comes down to the idea of American exceptionalism, a phrase that is often misunderstood. It doesn't mean that America is exceptionally better than everyone else. That wasn't the original meaning. It means that America is an exception, that it is different. It is one of the only countries on the planet founded on ideals instead of ethnicity or tribal participation. This idea goes back to the founding of the country and was even recognized by those outside of the US. Much of De Tocqueville's description of the US, in his book "Democracy in America," talks about it, and that's from the early 1800s. He goes through instance after instance of the US doing things differently than Europe, how even the average person is fundamentally different in outlook. There's an underlying belief, or at least there used to be, that the US holds a unique place in the world as a power for good. You can see this belief intertwined constantly throughout US history. Patriotic speeches weren't about defending the American ethnicity, they were about defending the freedom and ideals of America. Compare this to much of Europe, where you see a lot of talk about the great historical nations and how they need to defend the "fatherland," the "motherland," etc. You don't hear that in the US. People like Churchill probably come closest to a similar type of outlook.
[QUOTE=sgman91;52777052]It really comes down to the idea of American exceptionalism, a phrase that is often misunderstood. It doesn't mean that America is exceptionally better than everyone else. That wasn't the original meaning. It means that America is an exception, that it is different. It is one of the only countries on the planet founded on ideals instead of ethnicity or tribal participation.[/QUOTE] I don't know. That was back then. Between the late 1700s and now, many other countries have been founded on principles and ideas, and some others have even changed their countries to revolve less around ethnicity and more about ideals. It's also worth nothing than the American continent didn't had the centuries of social tension and political games that plagued Europe for a long time. Of course they are going to do things differently, they have [B]not[/B] experienced the same things Europe has. Which is funny, because America seems to be going backwards, from an example of what should a country aim to [I]be[/I], to an example of things a country should [I]avoid[/I] to do
Serving under this current CIC is... exhausting.
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