Nikki Haley Says U.S. May ‘Take Our Own Action’ on Syrian Chemical Attack
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[QUOTE]The United States, France and Britain have accused the Syrian government of responsibility and bitterly criticized Russia — Syria’s main ally in the six-year-old war — for objecting to a resolution they drafted condemning the attack. Russia has said insurgents may have been responsible or the attack may have been fabricated.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]She closed her remarks with an ominous warning. “When the United Nations consistently fails in its duty to act collectively, there are times in the life of states that we are compelled to take our own action,” she said. “For the sake of the victims, I hope the rest of the council is finally willing to do the same.”
She did not provide further details. But she squarely blamed the government of President [URL="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/a/bashar_al_assad/index.html?inline=nyt-per"]Bashar al-Assad[/URL] for the attack, as did the Trump administration on Tuesday.[/QUOTE]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/05/world/middleeast/syria-chemical-attack-un.html[/URL]
[URL]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39500319[/URL]
TL;DR - US Threatening direct action over gas attacks if UN does not do something more about the situation.
Also, tell me if I am doing something right/wrong, I do not post news articles often.
we going back to middle east folks
In my opinion, these cycles wont stop. The middle east is so extremely destabilized and this has become the norm there. To break a cycle like this would require a MASSIVE military and humanitarian effort, over a very long period of time to stabilize the entire region and the people. Fixing the infrastructure and radicalization of entire population/generation is not easy. But I don't see any world power making the sacrifices, alone or together, to fix the Middle East issues. Short term actions like responses to gas attacks only go so far...
but guys, Hillary was the one who would take us to war!
here it comes
Wow, one of the few things that would cause me to 180 on Trump.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52063214]Wow, one of the few things that would cause me to 180 on Trump.[/QUOTE]
TRUMP LOST Whoaly!
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52063214]Wow, one of the few things that would cause me to 180 on Trump.[/QUOTE]
So you draw the line at actually dealing with a genocidal madman who has used his countries chemical weapons on anti-government forces and civilians, but you're fine with letting it continue?
:what:
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;52063257]So you draw the line at actually dealing with a genocidal madman who has used his countries chemical weapons on anti-government forces and civilians, but you're fine with letting it continue?
:what:[/QUOTE]
Assad most likely didn't do what he's accused of.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52063272]Assad most likely didn't do what he's accused of.[/QUOTE]
If I wanted comedy I'd go look at all the new specials on Netflix, not your post.
Assad is directly responsible for many of the chemical attacks in Syria, this one included. Provide your evidence otherwise lol.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52063272]Assad most likely didn't do what he's accused of.[/QUOTE]
So the man who has used chemical weapons on his own people in the past, a little less than 2-3 years ago, you wouldn't assume to be the culprit for this latest chemical attack?
Ok people case closed.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52063296]If I wanted comedy I'd go look at all the new specials on Netflix, not your post.
Assad is directly responsible for many of the chemical attacks in Syria, this one included. Provide your evidence otherwise lol.[/QUOTE]
There was some journalist tweeting about the attack before it allegedly took place, this pretty much proves to me that it is some kind of false flag.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;52063299]So the man who has used chemical weapons on his own people in the past, a little less than 2-3 years ago, you wouldn't assume to be the culprit for this latest chemical attack?
Ok people case closed.[/QUOTE]
He didn't do that one either, Seymour Hersh published a big story on this thing a while back, look it up.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52063319]
He didn't do that one either, Seymour Hersh published a big story on this thing a while back, look it up.[/QUOTE]
No how about you show us. Burden of proof.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52063354]No how about you show us. Burden of proof.[/QUOTE]
I'm not the one demanding a war, burden of proof is on the ones demanding the most radical action.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52063369]I'm not the one demanding a war, burden of proof is on the ones demanding the most radical action.[/QUOTE]
For your own sake, let me translate this into how others will interpret it.
"I don't have proof."
If you are trying to validate your arguments, no matter what it is or how uninformed/misinformed/blatantly wrong you think your opponent is, you MUST provide sources and proof. That is how debate works.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52063369]I'm not the one demanding a war[/QUOTE]
Amazing how you got that out of 9 words. You must be a cryptographer.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52063369]I'm not the one demanding a war, burden of proof is on the ones demanding the most radical action.[/QUOTE]
oh well here I thought burden of proof was on the one making the claim because if it wasn't people could just state as fact whatever bullshit they wanted to
guess I was wrong. guess I'll just go make all your arguments for you, then
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52063065]In my opinion, these cycles wont stop. The middle east is so extremely destabilized and this has become the norm there. To break a cycle like this would require a MASSIVE military and humanitarian effort, over a very long period of time to stabilize the entire region and the people. Fixing the infrastructure and radicalization of entire population/generation is not easy. But I don't see any world power making the sacrifices, alone or together, to fix the Middle East issues. Short term actions like responses to gas attacks only go so far...[/QUOTE]
Maybe it hasn't gotten better because we haven't left it the fuck alone for 100+ years.
[QUOTE=Splarg!;52064078]Maybe it hasn't gotten better because we haven't left it the fuck alone for 100+ years.[/QUOTE]
Do you actually expect the government of Syria, and Iraq to fix the education, infrastructure, economy, and radicalized civilian population of their countries without outside help/intervention?
Nikki Haley is a neocon and wants war everywhere and we've known this for sometime. Right now we already have boots on the ground in Iraq and Syria. I feel iraq is justified. More combat troops in Syria though might be a bit much if we do not have an end goal in mind. Is it clearing out ISIS? or are we talking regime change? I do not think Regime change is an option anymore honestly. So far we are in the talking stages of what further action needs to be taken and i'm comfortable with our current engagement levels. We need to stabilize that region. How we do so, is the million dollar question. Force is inevitable, it's just to what degree.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52063061]we going back to middle east folks[/QUOTE]
Going back? Vietnam is the only place we've been and then left after. We're still in the middle east.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52064178]Do you actually expect the government of Syria, and Iraq to fix the education, infrastructure, economy, and radicalized civilian population of their countries without outside help/intervention?[/QUOTE]
Humanitarian aid is fine, as well as some support for existing allies against ISIS, but I find it odd to talk about how it's an endless cycle of destabilization and then suggest foreign intervention.
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