I intentionally (okay, not totally intentionally but anyways...) have myself at least three generations behind everyone else as the parts are now piss cheap (and I can still run most games with all the maxed out hardware I have) but when I want to swap my 3.2ghz Pentium 4 (socket 478) with the 3.4ghz P4 extreme (same chip but 200mhz faster and with an L3 cache) I find out [url=http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=Pentium+4+extreme+478&_sacat=0&_odkw=Pentium+4+3.4+478&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313]the damn chips are still selling for well over $150.[/url] What the fuck? They are already outperformed by the Pentium D (which really is just two Pentium 4 chips in one 775 package with no hyperthreading because two cores outperforms hyperthreading one.) so what's so magical about this chip?
My Athlon 64 FX-55 from around 2005 still sells for like $800 now.
No idea why.
Because it is [b]EXTREME[/b]
Lol @ $250, I got my E8500 for less
It's probably the best CPU for the socket, plus it's not being manufactured anymore.
Apparently they're decent overclockers.
I'm pretty sure they're ridiculous for OCing
p4 extremes are known to reach 6+ GHz on air
Hmmm... Wonder what it could reach on water.
[QUOTE=Dr. Deeps;26978074]Hmmm... Wonder what it could reach on water.[/QUOTE]
a few people got 8+ GHz on liquid nitrogen, a bunch of people have gotten 7+ on water
[QUOTE=Dr. Deeps;26978074]Hmmm... Wonder what it could reach on water.[/QUOTE]
Smalltime thinking.
Liquid Helium :science:
Oh, so they can overclock. That's why they are so expensive.
That's bullshit. I'll never be able to consider one as an upgrade then until the overclocking groups no longer see it as viable and by then the Core 2's will be cheap as hell and I would of replaced my rig.
Guess I'll just have to keep my eyes on the recycling channels here and see what they pull out of their incoming boxes.
[quote]It's probably the best CPU for the socket, plus it's not being manufactured anymore[/quote]
The Northwood Socket 478 processor is awful. The whole P4 core design itself is so madly inefficient (the 3.6 P4 xeon needs 103w), I don't see why you would stay on it if you had the pocket to use newer and better technology.
it's mainly because they're extremely old and aren't made anymore, not because of the OC ability
[QUOTE=MIPS;26978394]Oh, so they can overclock. That's why they are so expensive.
That's bullshit. I'll never be able to consider one as an upgrade then until the overclocking groups no longer see it as viable and by then the Core 2's will be cheap as hell and I would of replaced my rig.
Guess I'll just have to keep my eyes on the recycling channels here and see what they pull out of their incoming boxes.
The Northwood Socket 478 processor is awful. The whole P4 core design itself is so madly inefficient (the 3.6 P4 xeon needs 103w), I don't see why you would stay on it if you had the pocket to use newer and better technology.[/QUOTE]
Its all about the Ghz.
[editline]26th December 2010[/editline]
Man.
Probably because they're rare these days, and nobody sells them.
It's because the sellers know that anyone looking to buy one NEEDS one. No one is buying those randomly for a new system. It's because they need that specific type of CPU.
So the sellers have the leverage, especially since new ones are no longer being made(no competition for buyers).
Also because they are rare.
just searched my old socket 939 processor (remember those?)
[url]http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/product.aspx?code=CPA-AD46WI-O&af=50[/url]
jesus christ
The extremes sold for$1,000 at their release. $150 ain't shit in comparison.
the OC ability shouldn't affect price because even if you can get a single 7GHz core it doesn't beat a quad 3GHz processor which you can probably buy for about the same price
[QUOTE=ilolled;26977819]My Athlon 64 FX-55 from around 2005 still sells for like $800 now.
No idea why.[/QUOTE]
I have 2 of those in my closet. I doubt they are sold for that much, I'd sell them for $10 each since they are worthless compared to my current CPU.
I have an AMD TL-66 X2 @2.3GHz (dual-core), and doubt it's worth a shit.
Jesus, when netbooks are running 16-core AMD/Intel merger CPUs, my Phenom II X2 555BE will probably be worth half a million.
[QUOTE=FalcoLombardi;26987710]Also because they are rare.[/QUOTE]
This.
Generally high end hardware in any generation has fewer production runs, or limited production compared to mainstream hardware and low end hardware in the same generation. This is because mainstream and low end hardware sells in far more volume than the high end parts, which few people can afford. The single purpose of the high end hardware is to be a flagship product of the company so they have the dick waving rights over their competitors.
As time progresses and new products are released, the company usually keeps the mainstream stuff in production from the last generation as the new low end, because it saves them and their suppliers money from having to retool the entire production and delivery lines, which costs a lot of money. The company then drops both the high end and low end parts because the low end is usually too weak to run modern software, and the high end part is both too expensive to economically produce and may compete with their new generation of product, reducing prospective sales.
Basically you end up with a supply and demand problem. When there are limited quantities of a product available and a high demand, then the price stays high; Like the limited production runs of the P4 EE.
The P4 EE's extra cache gives it a barely noticeable increase in performance, and only applications that make heavy use of processor cache will see this performance benefit.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;26989883]just searched my old socket 939 processor (remember those?)
[url]http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/product.aspx?code=CPA-AD46WI-O&af=50[/url]
jesus christ[/QUOTE]
That's an AM2, not a 939.
[QUOTE=Pixel Heart;26990764]The extremes sold for$1,000 at their release. $150 ain't shit in comparison.[/QUOTE]
Compare it to the $15-30 price tag of other P4s in the same generation that aren't the EE editions.
[QUOTE=Alcapwne;26993950]the OC ability shouldn't affect price because even if you can get a single 7GHz core it doesn't beat a quad 3GHz processor which you can probably buy for about the same price[/QUOTE]
But higher clockspeed super sizes my e-penis.
I'm going to say thsi now, There generally better than a Pentium Dual Core E2140.
The PD might have two cores, but the p4 has higher clocks.
Plus there ridiculous O'Cing abilities.
I WANT ONE
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~;26996118]I'm going to say thsi now, There generally better than a Pentium Dual Core E2140.
The PD might have two cores, but the p4 has higher clocks.
Plus there ridiculous O'Cing abilities.
I WANT ONE[/QUOTE]
Nowdays clocks dont mean shit in terms of performance
[QUOTE=Pixel Heart;26994605]I have an AMD TL-66 X2 @2.3GHz (dual-core), and doubt it's worth a shit.[/QUOTE]
that's because it's inside a shitty laptop
[editline]27th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;26994101]I have 2 of those in my closet. I doubt they are sold for that much, I'd sell them for $10 each since they are worthless compared to my current CPU.[/QUOTE]
dude I remember when the FX-55 was the fucking shit, don't do that to its memory
[editline]27th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=bohb;26995166]
That's an AM2, not a 939.
[/QUOTE]
goddamn
it's gotta be worth something though, considering it is basically a rebadged FX-53
[QUOTE=dude2193;26997262]Nowdays clocks dont mean shit in terms of performance[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure i'm correct.
Saw in a pcworld nz magazine that they reviewed a HP Envy(Dtual core Core i7[YES THERE IS A MODEL])that it's actually faster in FPS rates than a lower clocked quad.
I am serious.
But this was in Mass Effect 2.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~;26997536]Pretty sure i'm correct.
Saw in a pcworld nz magazine that they reviewed a HP Envy(Dtual core Core i7[YES THERE IS A MODEL])that it's actually faster in FPS rates than a lower clocked quad.
I am serious.
But this was in Mass Effect 2.[/QUOTE]
what
Clock speeds are mostly irrelevant unless you're comparing two processors of the same model (i5 750 vs i5 760). Saying my cpu is clocked to 4ghz is like saying my car goes to 150mph, it tells you nothing about what kind of car it is.
[quote=chipset;26997670]what
clock speeds are mostly irrelevant unless you're comparing two processors of the same model (i5 750 vs i5 760). Saying my cpu is clocked to 4ghz is like saying my car goes to 150mph, it tells you nothing about what kind of car it is.[/quote]
does it look like i have the magazine on hand?
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