[quote=USA Today]Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor and 2012 Republican presidential nominee, said Friday he believes the nation should raise the minimum wage, breaking from House Republicans who have resisted an increase.
"I part company with many of the conservatives in my party on the issue of the minimum wage. I think we ought to raise it," Romney said during an interview on MSNBC's Morning Joe.
Romney said raising the minimum wage is part of a message the party needs to reinforce in outreach to black and Hispanic voters. "Our party is all about more jobs and better pay," Romney said, while under Democratic control, income inequality has gotten worse.[/quote]
Source: [URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/05/09/romney-minimum-wage/8891273/"]USA Today[/URL]
Was it the [B]real[/B] Mitt Romney???
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxch-yi14BE[/media]
[I]Hey, if I say I wanna raise the Minimum wage, can I get elected then?[/I]
Now that the campaign's over he can go back to being liberal I guess
Has he always been for raising the minimum wage? Or is this just something that he's saying confidently now that he doesn't have to worry about running for POTUS?
Yay for common sense. It's been repeatedly shown that increasing the minimum wage not only improves people's standards of living, but also helps the economy as a whole. There's really no reason not to raise the minimum wage.
It's a shame what Mitt Romney did to himself. He [i]was[/i] a reasonable conservative who the average American could like. But in the election, he tried to appease to the hardcore right-wingers, because there was no chance that he would get the nomination otherwise. To do so, he had to abandon his moderate principles, and it was this obvious schism between the real Mitt Romney and Mitt Romney 2012 that made him no longer seem genuine.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;44765803]Now that the campaign's over he can go back to being liberal I guess[/QUOTE]
yep, a rich liberal.
he had some good points but most of his campaign was just regurgitated uber-conservative shit, and paul ryan was a massive tool
[QUOTE=Killer900;44765811]Has he always been for raising the minimum wage? Or is this just something that he's saying confidently now that he doesn't have to worry about running for POTUS?[/QUOTE]
He was prior to and after running for president. He changed his view, of course, during the election.
[QUOTE=Sableye;44765819]yep, a rich liberal.
he had some good points but most of his campaign was just regurgitated uber-conservative shit, and paul ryan was a massive tool[/QUOTE]
I'm so fucking happy Paul Ryan didn't become VP
[IMG]http://themoderatevoice.com/wp-content/uploads/caglecartoons02/pink_flip_flop.jpg[/IMG]
Romney is kinda known for desperately trying to appeal to everyone all the time, but heavily leans conservative/republican/uber-conservative of course.
[QUOTE=PolarEventide;44765818]It's a shame what Mitt Romney did to himself. He [i]was[/i] a reasonable conservative who the average American could like. But in the election, he tried to appease to the hardcore right-wingers, because there was no chance that he would get the nomination otherwise. To do so, he had to abandon his moderate principles, and it was this obvious schism between the real Mitt Romney and Mitt Romney 2012 that made him no longer seem genuine.[/QUOTE]
The best part? A popular opinion amongst conservatives I talked to post-election was that the only reason Romney lost the election was because he was [I]too moderate[/I] :v:
Didn't Romney help introduce universal healthcare to Massachusetts pre-Obamacare?
Would raising minimum wage really solve anything? Think for a bit. It sounds good yes, but the effect won't last for long. Prices and everything would adjust, and pretty soon it'd be as if it wasn't raised at all.
Feel free to rate me dumb, but just think about it for a second.
Mitt Romney is a pancake. He flip flops so much it's hard to see what he really supports.
[QUOTE=Vipes;44766934]Would raising minimum wage really solve anything? Think for a bit. It sounds good yes, but the effect won't last for long. Prices and everything would adjust, and pretty soon it'd be as if it wasn't raised at all.
Feel free to rate me dumb, but just think about it for a second.[/QUOTE]
Unemployment would go up if the minimum wage would go up. Businesses would adapt to the increasing costs of wages
[QUOTE=Vipes;44766934]Would raising minimum wage really solve anything? Think for a bit. It sounds good yes, but the effect won't last for long. Prices and everything would adjust, and pretty soon it'd be as if it wasn't raised at all.
Feel free to rate me dumb, but just think about it for a second.[/QUOTE]
Prices will go up whether minimum wage goes up or not, and what you said about prices adjusting makes zero sense. After prices adjust, it won't be like nothing happened: the minimum wage will still be higher and people living off of minimum wage will still have more spending power (which is great for the economy).
You could also cry about raising minimum wage causing people to lose jobs, but you would have absolutely no scientific basis. Almost every single study that has looked at minimum wage increases in the US has shown that raising the minimum wage has absolutely no effect on the number of new jobs being created.
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[QUOTE=brianosaur;44767146]Unemployment would go up if the minimum wage would go up. Businesses would adapt to the increasing costs of wages[/QUOTE]
Since this was posted before I finished typing my post, I'll make sure I'm one step ahead and at least cite one of the most recent studies about the correlation between minimum wage increases and the job market. If anybody else wants to say that raising the minimum wage is bad for anything except the pockets of executives, I'd love to see your evidence.
[url]http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/min-wage-2013-02.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;44765800][I]Hey, if I say I wanna raise the Minimum wage, can I get elected then?[/I][/QUOTE]
lmfao only facepunch could pull shit like this
if obama were to give you all free stuff on the expense of other people you would be praising him
[QUOTE=bliptec;44767220]
Since this was posted before I finished typing my post, I'll make sure I'm one step ahead and at least cite one of the most recent studies about the correlation between minimum wage increases and the job market. If anybody else wants to say that raising the minimum wage is bad for anything except the pockets of executives, I'd love to see your evidence.
[url]http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/min-wage-2013-02.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
Okay, so much for my college textbooks. Employers might not straight up fire people because of it, but here are some things they can do:
1. Reduction in hours worked
2. Reductions in non-wage benefits
3. Reductions in training
4. Changes in employment composition
5. Higher prices
6. Improvements in efficiency
7. "Efficiency wage" responses from workers
8. Wage compression
9. Reduction in profits
10. Increases in demand (minimum wage as stimulus)
11. Reduced turnover
[QUOTE=brianosaur;44767146]Unemployment would go up if the minimum wage would go up. Businesses would adapt to the increasing costs of wages[/QUOTE]
I work at a retail store where we are already scheduled the bare minimum, our company would just be forced to eat the cost.
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[QUOTE=Kentz;44767404]lmfao only facepunch could pull shit like this
if obama were to give you all free stuff on the expense of other people you would be praising him[/QUOTE]
"at the expense of other people"
Oh I'm sorry old white guy ceo I didn't know you needed your money so badly you couldn't pay me a living wage, it's okay though! Keep it man!
The rich stand on the shoulders of society, they owe a debt just like everyone else.
[QUOTE=Coffee;44766179]Didn't Romney help introduce universal healthcare to Massachusetts pre-Obamacare?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's called "Romneycare" (though, seriously, these names sound stupid). He was a pretty decent governor, but he takes credit for more than he actually did (for instance, having the highest test scores in the nation shouldn't be attributed to him).
[QUOTE=Sableye;44765819] paul ryan was a massive tool[/QUOTE]
Oh because this idiot is so much better
[video=youtube;HWlSX9TT2eo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWlSX9TT2eo[/video]
While raising the minimum wage might be a good idea, the question is to [I]what extent[/I]. It'll initially improve living standards if it's increased to a safe degree, but there's a point where small businesses suffer and fail to meet these wage standards -- while I can't say nationally, this is certainly a relevant issue in my local community. It's not just the employees that are suffering, it's also the employers. Corporations are an exception here.
I think, personally at least, that the concept of free trade and globalization-induced favoritism must be combated rather than hedging around the question with distractions for answers. The GOP and Democrats need to realize that the lack of penalties/restrictions on corporations that resort to overseas outsourcing for their employment force is the economy's killer. Not even the international community benefits from outsourcing -- only particular countries (i.e. India and China). Though this problem is a lot more complex than what's at face value.
[QUOTE=supersnail11;44767897]Yeah, it's called "Romneycare" (though, seriously, these names sound stupid). He was a pretty decent governor, but he takes credit for more than he actually did (for instance, having the highest test scores in the nation shouldn't be attributed to him).[/QUOTE]
And obama takes credit for all this "job" growth with all these sweet jobs that totally aren't minimum wage shit jobs.
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[QUOTE=Pilot1215;44767043]Mitt Romney is a pancake. He flip flops so much it's hard to see what he really supports.[/QUOTE]
I seriously think all you people solely just watch liberal networks like ABC. Seriously educate yourself. Obama isn't a perfect little princess.
[video=youtube;Nq7hS5Fn5KE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq7hS5Fn5KE[/video]
[QUOTE=brianosaur;44767733]Okay, so much for my college textbooks. Employers might not straight up fire people because of it, but here are some things they can do:
1. Reduction in hours worked
2. Reductions in non-wage benefits
3. Reductions in training
4. Changes in employment composition
5. Higher prices
6. Improvements in efficiency
7. "Efficiency wage" responses from workers
8. Wage compression
9. Reduction in profits
10. Increases in demand (minimum wage as stimulus)
11. Reduced turnover[/QUOTE]
Evidence and corelate this, because you're using a slippery slope fallacy.
[QUOTE=avincent;44767930]And obama takes credit for all this "job" growth with all these sweet jobs that totally aren't minimum wage shit jobs.
[editline]9th May 2014[/editline]
I seriously think all you people solely just watch liberal networks like ABC. Seriously educate yourself. Obama isn't a perfect little princess.
[video=youtube;Nq7hS5Fn5KE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq7hS5Fn5KE[/video][/QUOTE]
I think Obama is a fucking retard, along with Romney. I hate Liberal and Conservative media, and I vote third party. I'm against raising minimum wage, as it hurts business, and knowing small business owners, I know how bad it hurts them. It might not hurt Walmart, but it will hurt that small mom and pa shop down the road.
[QUOTE=brianosaur;44767146]Unemployment would go up if the minimum wage would go up. Businesses would adapt to the increasing costs of wages[/QUOTE]
So wait, the literal rising of wages that give Americans money in their pocket would somehow decrease profits for companies? If anything a strong middle class would spend enough to increase the demand for labor or products increasing jobs. The payments would be more but it would actually increase revenue because people would buy more
[editline]10th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;44768024]I think Obama is a fucking retard, along with Romney. I hate Liberal and Conservative media, and I vote third party. I'm against raising minimum wage, as it hurts business, and knowing small business owners, I know how bad it hurts them. It might not hurt Walmart, but it will hurt that small mom and pa shop down the road.[/QUOTE]
Honestly you are also using a flawed argument. By increasing minimum wage, you'll end up with a bigger middle class and people who feel safer to spend money spend it in a lot of places elsewhere besides those major stores. Look at the 1950s or even 1994 when there was a large boom in small businesses because of a stronger middle class
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;44768015]Evidence and corelate this, because you're using a slippery slope fallacy.[/QUOTE]
What do you mean? Obviously you didn't read any part of that source that was linked except the title, and I did, which is where I got that list from.
Instead of increasing minimum wage, why don't we just pollute the planet and turn it into an uninhabitable hell-hole post-apocalyptic landscape where everything will be bought using bottle caps or Your Body. That would be so cool.
[QUOTE=Kentz;44767404]lmfao only facepunch could pull shit like this
if obama were to give you all free stuff on the expense of other people you would be praising him[/QUOTE]
Well I wouldn't say that if the Republicans weren't being assholes for the past few years.
I'm sure most of us remember last October right?
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Besides, it seems the only way to win the election these days, is to be as liberal as you can be.
Unless some dumb luck occurs and we get a Conservative.
[editline]9th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=PolarEventide;44765818]It's a shame what Mitt Romney did to himself. He [i]was[/i] a reasonable conservative who the average American could like. But in the election, he tried to appease to the hardcore right-wingers, because there was no chance that he would get the nomination otherwise. To do so, he had to abandon his moderate principles, and it was this obvious schism between the real Mitt Romney and Mitt Romney 2012 that made him no longer seem genuine.[/QUOTE]
Was he a nice fellow?
I kinda feel bad for hating him during the elections
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