H.I.D Madness - General - Facepunch Forum

Lets have a discussion, shall we? Xenon projection lights. Lots of new cars have em. Light up the road very sharply. Also invite every asshole within a 5 mile radius to blind you as your making your innocent way home. Our '11 Mitsubishi Outlander GT has them. Their OEM, they come standard on the GT model, and like projection headlights, have a cutoff knob. I keep the cutoff nice and low, and use the foglights when neccessary. I never liked having H.I.D's blasted into my rear view, so I dont do that to others. But apparently thats not enough, I still get "concerned citizens" whom think its their moral and god given duty to thoroughly inform me I have my brights on, when I certainly do NOT. One guy actually took time out of his schedule to follow me on the highway, and keep his brights on me. Everytime somebody else passed or got near, he turned off his brights. At first I was confused, but I got the message. He continued, so I slowed down to let him pass, since I don't like to start shit in general, especially when my family is in the car. He slows down too. So then I get a little immature, nearly stop on the highway, so he floors it by me, I get up behind him and do the same. Apparently he had SOME common sense and realized my brights, were in fact, dialed firmly in the [I]off[/I] position, and left out of sight. [I][B]Fun fact:[/B]On most cars, when your brights are on your foglights are off! So odds are if the foglights are on the brights are off![/I] I try too, not to use my foglights. Trust me, they are NOT any brighter than any typical car. Its all stock. So I just drive with my Xenons about a notch off bottom, since all the way down is useless as shit. STILL I get beamed! I mean PLEASE?! Do people just not want to see headlights AT ALL?! Is it like if you can actually see light coming out of someones lights you should beam them? It doesn't bother me too much, but lately people have gotton worse and worse with this, and when I'm driving home at 11 at night, I dont need to be temp blinded on a back road home. Its dangerous ffs! I mean even if I DID have my brights on, which I rarely do, your JUST as much an asshole for brighting me! But I never have my brights on around others. Bottom line of this post- Do you guys with stock or PROPERLY installed H.I.D's get beamed? Or does the outlander just have a shape/design that just pisses all the hard asses off? My friend has a BMW with Xenons and he says occasionally he gets beamed. Now Idk what occasionally to him is, but for me it seems like everyday I have my lights on low I get beamed. Is there anything I can do to get these assholes off me? Or is it just the new trend. I mean I can deal with it if im SOL, its just annoying. Keep in mind, too, they ARE properly adjusted. When I bought the car new I took it to my trusted mechanic to inspect everything and adjust the actual housing if it was off.

Properly installed H.I.D would mean in a projector housing, either retrofitted or with a propper already made projector headlight that is made for hid and not halogen.

[QUOTE=WolvesSoulZ;39453697]Properly installed H.I.D would mean in a projector housing, either retrofitted or with a propper already made projector headlight that is made for hid and not halogen.[/QUOTE] Yes, I know this. Like I said this was a package on the car, Xenon package, so its not aftermarket. So no reason for anything to be out of the ordinary. (and when the car was inspected the lights were all aligned properly)

Me having a Audi with out the security package (Hologen with Projectors), I get quite allot of flashes. But the motherfuckers get the point when I light up my 100watt high beams. :v: Foglight's. There are a fun tool to tell when people don't know if there high-beams are on or not,and generly I leave mine on 24/7 for this reason there not bright at all so no harm. Bottom line people are idiots and cant tell what a true low beam is in a projector housing. Now when I switch to 55watt H.I.D's with some very nice retrofitted housings, I will mostlikly join the group of getting blinded every 30min.

[QUOTE=DPKiller;39454262]Me having a Audi with out the security package (Hologen with Projectors), I get quite allot of flashes. But the motherfuckers get the point when I light up my 100watt high beams. :v: Foglight's. There are a fun tool to tell when people don't know if there high-beams are on or not,and generly I leave mine on 24/7 for this reason there not bright at all so no harm. Bottom line people are idiots and cant tell what a true low beam is in a projector housing. Now when I switch to 55watt H.I.D's with some very nice retrofitted housings, I will mostlikly join the group of getting blinded every 30min.[/QUOTE] Absolutely, people are arrogant idiots. Get this, too. I have a bone stock civic with STOCK headlights. No foglights, and the headlights are aweful. Fucking useless. They just barely light the road, but some how I've actually gotten flashed at... I'm baffled by that. Now thats rare, of course. In the past 3 years I've driven it maybe 4-5 times have I gotton flashed. And I KNOW it was about brights, because all my headlights work, there weren't any police, and they CERTAINLY were not complimenting my beat up DX. But I always have my foglights on in the outlander. For night driving they better disperse the light. And like you, they arent too bright. But people dont realize that when my brights are on, my foglights are off. If only people could realize this. They'd still probably flash us projector users, in hope we'd install some old non-projected halogens. Or out of jealousy. Idk. But my high beam is always within reach if they want to play the "who has brighter high beams game," and with most of the people who beamed me, I'd most likely win :v: Oh, and definitely join the H.I.D club, it comes with a free pair of nightime sunglasses :P

If they're flashing you your headlights might actually be distracting them????

[QUOTE=tommyc225;39454627]If they're flashing you your headlights might actually be distracting them????[/QUOTE] LOL how so? I mean I know the mitsubishi shark style front is fucking sexy but there's better ways of letting me know :v: [-/_\-]

Like turning around, flagging you down and having a nice chat? I think a quick flash does the job nicely. Although people who hold the stick back [I]are[/I] just being dicks.

[QUOTE=tommyc225;39454676]Like turning around, flagging you down and having a nice chat? I think a quick flash does the job nicely. Although people who hold the stick back [I]are[/I] just being dicks.[/QUOTE] Well im talking about at night. I mean you cant see what kind of car is coming, so thats purely out of thinking my brights are on. If its just one little flash I'll assume its friendly like complimtenting me, and if its from another mitsubishi, well thats obvious. The mitsubishi card I got in the mail after buying the car says to give other mitsubishi drivers a little wave :v: But I'm talking about people, like for instance today a guy in a mid 2000's Accord at a stoplight pulled up behind me, I had passed him (non aggresively at all, it was a 2 lane road and he was in the proper lane) and kept repeatedly and spurratically beaming at me, and was doing it untill we got passed the second light in a row of him doing that and I took advantage of my awesome Mitsubishi JDM S-AWC MIVEC powar and left him in my dust :P Thats just unneccisary and rude. And thats stupid messing with people at a stop light, I mean cmon if I was bat shit crazy like plenty Americans he'd have no escape route.

At night a little flash means "TURN DOWN YOUR FUCKING HIGH BEAMS YOU DICKHEAD", even if you aren't on high, that's more than often what the other person is thinking.

[QUOTE=WolvesSoulZ;39454814]At night a little flash means "TURN DOWN YOUR FUCKING HIGH BEAMS YOU DICKHEAD", even if you aren't on high, that's more than often what the other person is thinking.[/QUOTE] Yeah... Thats what I'm saying. The lack of education here. My foglights should be an indication to people my high beams are OFF. And I HAVE done a little experiment by facing my civic and outlander towards eachother, the outlander to the left and the honda to the right... Or both based on their perspectives towards the left, about 30 ft apart, and yes, the outlander DOES have bright headlights, but nothing greater than ANY typical projector. And the point is, your not SUPPOSED to stare at the goddamn headlights. Your supposed to look down and to the shoulder like when a car goes by. Your only blinding me for no reason when you beam me when my low's are on.

[QUOTE=masterwolf;39454891]Yeah... Thats what I'm saying. The lack of education here. My foglights should be an indication to people my high beams are OFF. And I HAVE done a little experiment by facing my civic and outlander towards eachother, the outlander to the left and the honda to the right... Or both based on their perspectives towards the left, about 30 ft apart, and yes, the outlander DOES have bright headlights, but nothing greater than ANY typical projector. And the point is, your not SUPPOSED to stare at the goddamn headlights. Your supposed to look down and to the shoulder like when a car goes by. Your only blinding me for no reason when you beam me when my low's are on.[/QUOTE] They don't know that they're not your fullbeams, all they know is your headlights are bright enough to cause annoyance.

35W 8000k in reflector housings all day <3 Hate.

I have 6000k HID's in my Halogen Projectors(pretty much the same but has some fresnal bits). I've been flashed maybe a couple times in the 3 years I've driven around with them. Never had a problem with this since my headlights are aligned properly and my car is lowered as well. However. I make a point to highbeam every fucking lifted truck which has horribly aligned headlights or some incredibly bright lights for some reason. I don't care if it's their low beams, I wish to tell them that their vehicle is blinding the poor little car down here and they are fucking assholes. Nothing is worse than your usual shithead lifted truck/suv with ebay H4 sealed beam replacement housings with some 55w ebay shit HID's that just spam light all over the place. My highbeams do the same as your shit lights, you can endure the same which you do to every other person on the road. I'm pretty passionate about having properly adjusted headlights. I've flashed some vehicles like a newer lifted F-150, I'd probably say it had the stock lights in it too.. However, I found it incredibly hard focus on the signal above his truck so I just turned on the brights. Some vehicles come stock with horribly adjusted headlights, I've noticed a few SUV's which seem to just always be blinding.

I sure love when super bright blindingly white headlights are pointed directly into ALL THREE OF MY MIRRORS at the same time.

When you're coming towards me with your stupidly bright headlights on a narrow road I suddenly can't see shit past the glare, including whether I have space to continue - forcing me to stop. So don't be surprised if you get blinded in return by the combined force of all my lighting so you can see what an utter cunt you are. If you're getting flashed, it's because your lights are fucking horrible. I hate people with bright HIDs. HATE. That said, I have no problem with properly calibrated HIDs that you'll find on new audis and such which don't point directly into oncoming traffic and automatically adjust themselves.

[QUOTE=Del91;39457579]I sure love when super bright blindingly white headlights are pointed directly into ALL THREE OF MY MIRRORS at the same time.[/QUOTE] I adjust them to point back at the guy behind me. Don't know if it works but at least it stops their lights from distracting me.

[QUOTE=slayer3032;39457158]I have 6000k HID's in my Halogen Projectors(pretty much the same but has some fresnal bits). I've been flashed maybe a couple times in the 3 years I've driven around with them. Never had a problem with this since my headlights are aligned properly and my car is lowered as well. However. I make a point to highbeam every fucking lifted truck which has horribly aligned headlights or some incredibly bright lights for some reason. I don't care if it's their low beams, I wish to tell them that their vehicle is blinding the poor little car down here and they are fucking assholes. Nothing is worse than your usual shithead lifted truck/suv with ebay H4 sealed beam replacement housings with some 55w ebay shit HID's that just spam light all over the place. My highbeams do the same as your shit lights, you can endure the same which you do to every other person on the road. I'm pretty passionate about having properly adjusted headlights. I've flashed some vehicles like a newer lifted F-150, I'd probably say it had the stock lights in it too.. However, I found it incredibly hard focus on the signal above his truck so I just turned on the brights. Some vehicles come stock with horribly adjusted headlights, I've noticed a few SUV's which seem to just always be blinding.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I hate those lifted trucks with unneccesary lights. Mine are all stock and properly adjusted. I made sure to have a mechanic check the alignment and the housing and such, and he said they were perfect. And when pointing them at a wall the cutoff is sharp. My cuttoff is right above the bumper on a honda civic, so I don't have them high. My lights are all stock too, they are exactly light the audi lights. In fact the housing is simmilar. If my car was lower I'm sure I'd havent a problem, in fact I wouldn't- I never get fashed by SUV's. Still there isn't anything I can do, everything is set up properly, and I'm not dropping extra cash to downgrade to reflectors. [editline]3rd February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Catdaemon;39459495]When you're coming towards me with your stupidly bright headlights on a narrow road I suddenly can't see shit past the glare, including whether I have space to continue - forcing me to stop. So don't be surprised if you get blinded in return by the combined force of all my lighting so you can see what an utter cunt you are. If you're getting flashed, it's because your lights are fucking horrible. I hate people with bright HIDs. HATE. That said, I have no problem with properly calibrated HIDs that you'll find on new audis and such which don't point directly into oncoming traffic and automatically adjust themselves.[/QUOTE] I hope your not talking about me being the cunt. Lol. My headlights are stock, they came with the car, whether i wanted them or not. They are standard on GT models. It wasn't an option. Like I said I keep my lights a notch over zero, out of 5 notches, and they are properly calibrated, checked by my trusted mechanic, and when you point em at a wall, the cuttoff is perfectly straight, with the dip on the drivers side. They arent extremely aftermarket bright, and I keep them low. Your not supposed to stare into peoples headlights anyways, look at the shoulder line. I've never heard of auto adjust headlights, I thought audi's only have the pivoting headlights that when you turn point the direction you turn. But that sounds awefully useful for assholes that like to flash. But that being said, are you saying even if my headlights are stock and properly calibrated you'll flash me? I mean it wasn't my choice to get projectors, and I'm not gonna spend extra cash to get reflectors to make everybody happy. [editline]3rd February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Del91;39457579]I sure love when super bright blindingly white headlights are pointed directly into ALL THREE OF MY MIRRORS at the same time.[/QUOTE] Not me, I keep mine pointed right aligned with the bumper of a low sitting car.

[QUOTE=masterwolf;39460072] But that being said, are you saying even if my headlights are stock and properly calibrated you'll flash me? I mean it wasn't my choice to get projectors, and I'm not gonna spend extra cash to get reflectors to make everybody happy. [/QUOTE] Nobody knows they came stock! All they know is your headlights are distracting them. So you can either get them changed or stop complaining if someone flashes you. Your choice.

[QUOTE=tommyc225;39460631]Nobody knows they came stock! All they know is your headlights are distracting them. So you can either get them changed or stop complaining if someone flashes you. Your choice.[/QUOTE] EXACTLY mate your missing my point. People are thinking I got my brights on I'm wondering if theres an ADJUSTMENT or modification I can do to further it. If not I'll deal with it! You've been stating this whole time what I know dude! Its all good if I cant do anything but if I can I'm asking for advice. lol My only option is to change the headlights, so then I'll just deal with it.

So wait, the lower the K rating, the higher the lumens emitted? [editline]3rd February 2013[/editline] until you hit perfect white then it goes down again? [editline]3rd February 2013[/editline] sort of like a bell curve with 4300K being the brightest [editline]3rd February 2013[/editline] [IMG]http://blog.isaacalonzo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/xenon-table-lumens.jpg[/IMG] Like this, and higher wattage means brighter light too.

my old truck... do it right or dont do it. retroed 2006 boxter s bi xenon in a 98 tacoma 4x4 [img]http://www.customtacos.com/gallery2/data/500/IMG_0053re.JPG[/img] [img]http://www.customtacos.com/gallery2/data/500/medium/IMG_1024.JPG[/img] low beam [img]http://www.customtacos.com/gallery2/data/500/medium/IMG_0847.JPG[/img] full beam, high beam [img]http://www.customtacos.com/gallery2/data/500/medium/IMG_0848.JPG[/img] custom fog lights in stock signals. [img]http://www.customtacos.com/gallery2/data/500/medium/IMG_1691.JPG[/img] retroed clear tsx in a tc [img]http://www.customtacos.com/gallery2/data/500/untitled333.JPG[/img] [img]http://www.customtacos.com/gallery2/data/500/medium/IMG_1643re.JPG[/img] 06 v6 tacoma, e55 bi xenon [img]http://www.customtacos.com/gallery2/data/500/medium/IMG_17411.JPG[/img] i have a few more that i did also.

[QUOTE=thattaco;39462605] do it right or dont do it. [/quote] All stock and professionaly aligned. I do like the toyota trucks, especially the 06 with the tinted covers you got.

The Problem lies with SUVs and trucks being The headlights are just too high up on on the vehicle for HID (IMO of course). Hell I've flashed Pickups on the highway that only have Halogen reflectors, only to realize their highs were off. To not blind people you have to angle them down sharply and loose all distance. Sometimes the color can play a big role, The glare can appear alot brighter with 5000K or higher. The only Time I ever get flashed in my car is on REALLY Hilly Roads, sometimes by other cars with hids them selves who were already blinding me back. My Current Setup is a pair of "M-D2S" Projectors, but I have FX-45s sitting in my closet that I need to get brackets cut for. [IMG]http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee46/MaImpala/2009 Impala/BackHDR.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee46/MaImpala/2009 Impala/Hibeam.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=masterwolf;39460072]My lights are all stock too, they are exactly light the audi lights.[/QUOTE] there's your problem, audi cocklights blind you no matter where they point or how powerful they are

[QUOTE=opaali;39464507]there's your problem, audi cocklights blind you no matter where they point or how powerful they are[/QUOTE] Hmm I guess so. I mean I'm not saying the technology behind, im just saying the shape of the housing sort of reflects that of an audi, so maybe the way the light is focused is simmilar [img]http://www.joelfeder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/DSC_0002-1024x680.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2013/01/01-2014-audi-a8l-tdi-la.jpg[/img] Alright well thats not too good an example, they differ quite a bit, but I've seen a few audi's with very simmilar headlights to the outlander with H.I.D housings that look simmilar.

[QUOTE=masterwolf;39463988]All stock and professionaly aligned. I do like the toyota trucks, especially the 06 with the tinted covers you got.[/QUOTE] Covers were clear everything inside was painted black. The white one was quicker. But all using oem equipment and aligned to spec. Never got flashed except once when towing. Most people don't understand how sharp the cut off is and when u hit a bump and the cut off goes up they think its the high beams.

[QUOTE=thattaco;39467096]Covers were clear everything inside was painted black. The white one was quicker. But all using oem equipment and aligned to spec. Never got flashed except once when towing. Most people don't understand how sharp the cut off is and when u hit a bump and the cut off goes up they think its the high beams.[/QUOTE] Hmm it just seems like the headlights on my outlander aren't the best deisgn. My outander's headlights definitely do not sit higher than your tacoma, so I'm I guess at a loss. But same deal with my friend who owns a BMW. I guess car companies just don't know how to deisgn a housing not to blind other people even when you keep the cutoff low.

Also depends on the kinda idiots driving around you. I see 20 cars a night who have their highbeams on, and another 30 with 55W PnP in reflector housings. Its just so common here drivers don't care anymore, they are used to it. Yet when i was in alberta I had a semi flash his brights then swerve at me on a 2 lane HWY because I hit a bump and dazzled him for 1 second. Asides from stray light reflecting off a fancy chrome housing, a Projector is a Projector for the most part. No light goes above your cutoff unless you hit a bump. your headlamps were built by one of the better companies too, Stanley/Kioto. Their projectors are used in the s2000, rx330 and I think the TL.

[QUOTE=FoxDonuT;39467330]Also depends on the kinda idiots driving around you. I see 20 cars a night who have their highbeams on, and another 30 with 55W PnP in reflector housings. Its just so common here drivers don't care anymore, they are used to it. Yet when i was in alberta I had a semi flash his brights then swerve at me on a 2 lane HWY because I hit a bump and dazzled him for 1 second. Asides from stray light reflecting off a fancy chrome housing, a Projector is a Projector for the most part. No light goes above your cutoff unless you hit a bump. your headlamps were built by one of the better companies too, Stanley/Kioto. Their projectors are used in the s2000, rx330 and I think the TL.[/QUOTE] Well thats good to know I actually DO have good housings. And thats just scary to think someone would swerve at you over headlamps. Atleast there are plenty other respectable drivers out there somewhere.