TV as Thin as a Sheet of Paper? Printable Flexible Electronics Just Became Easier With Stable Electr - Polidicks

[QUOTE][QUOTE][IMG]http://www.sciencedaily.com/images/2012/04/120419143123-large.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE][B] Imagine owning a television with the thickness and weight of a sheet of paper. It will be possible, someday, thanks to the growing industry of printed electronics. The process, which allows manufacturers to literally print or roll materials onto surfaces to produce an electronically functional device, is already used in organic solar cells and organic light-emitting diodes (OLEDs) that form the displays of cellphones. [/B]Although this emerging technology is expected to grow by tens of billions of dollars over the next 10 years, one challenge is in manufacturing at low cost in ambient conditions. In order to create light or energy by injecting or collecting electrons, printed electronics require conductors, usually calcium, magnesium or lithium, with a low-work function. These metals are chemically very reactive. They oxidize and stop working if exposed to oxygen and moisture. This is why electronics in solar cells and TVs, for example, must be covered with a rigid, thick barrier such as glass or expensive encapsulation layers. However, in new findings published in the journal [I]Science[/I], Georgia Tech researchers have introduced what appears to be a universal technique to reduce the work function of a conductor. They spread a very thin layer of a polymer, approximately one to 10 nanometers thick, on the conductor's surface to create a strong surface dipole. The interaction turns air-stable conductors into efficient, low-work function electrodes. ... [QUOTE][tab]Source: [/tab][URL="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120419143123.htm"]Science Daily[/URL][/QUOTE][/QUOTE] Science :eng101:

i want a bendable tv

This is slightly off topic, but a lot of the new TV technology is annoying me. Most specifically the TVs with insanely high frame rates (which use interpolated frames that don't actually exist as 'in between' frames for the real ones). They're so crisp that it's... unrealistic? It's incredibly offputting. If I rapidly turn my head from side to side in reality things aren't 100% clear, shit blurs together; but with new TVs if you're playing a game and spin your character around in circles everything's like... 100% perfectly crisp and clear - there's no motion blur. It's fucking weird. I saw some football game on a 240Hz TV at a tech store a while back and it looked like everything was in fast motion. However I'm perfectly fine with paper thin TVs - they'd be so easy to wall-mount without feeling uneasy about possible falls.

[QUOTE=sltungle;35645634]This is slightly off topic, but a lot of the new TV technology is annoying me. Most specifically the TVs with insanely high frame rates (which use interpolated frames that don't actually exist as 'in between' frames for the real ones). They're so crisp that it's... unrealistic? It's incredibly offputting. If I rapidly turn my head from side to side in reality things aren't 100% clear, shit blurs together; but with new TVs if you're playing a game and spin your character around in circles everything's like... 100% perfectly crisp and clear - there's no motion blur. It's fucking weird. I saw some football game on a 240Hz TV at a tech store a while back and it looked like everything was in fast motion. However I'm perfectly fine with paper thin TVs - they'd be so easy to wall-mount without feeling uneasy about possible falls.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that really puts me off as well.

SCIENCE! but really, apart from being [B]FUCKING[/B] awesome, what could you do with a paper thin/light TV? wear it on your wrist? OH MY GOD, WE COULD HAVE PIP-BOYS

I wanna eat it.

[QUOTE=sltungle;35645634]This is slightly off topic, but a lot of the new TV technology is annoying me. Most specifically the TVs with insanely high frame rates (which use interpolated frames that don't actually exist as 'in between' frames for the real ones). They're so crisp that it's... unrealistic? It's incredibly offputting. If I rapidly turn my head from side to side in reality things aren't 100% clear, shit blurs together; but with new TVs if you're playing a game and spin your character around in circles everything's like... 100% perfectly crisp and clear - there's no motion blur. It's fucking weird. I saw some football game on a 240Hz TV at a tech store a while back and it looked like everything was in fast motion.[/QUOTE] Can't say I've ever seen anything like that before.

One day soon (without magic): [IMG]http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content09/daily-prophet.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Corey_Faure;35645739]One day soon (without magic): [IMG]http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content09/daily-prophet.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] and the price of newspapers soar.

Nah you'll just buy one and it'll get updated every day.

[QUOTE=sltungle;35645634]This is slightly off topic, but a lot of the new TV technology is annoying me. Most specifically the TVs with insanely high frame rates (which use interpolated frames that don't actually exist as 'in between' frames for the real ones). They're so crisp that it's... unrealistic? It's incredibly offputting. If I rapidly turn my head from side to side in reality things aren't 100% clear, shit blurs together; but with new TVs if you're playing a game and spin your character around in circles everything's like... 100% perfectly crisp and clear - there's no motion blur. It's fucking weird. I saw some football game on a 240Hz TV at a tech store a while back and it looked like everything was in fast motion. However I'm perfectly fine with paper thin TVs - they'd be so easy to wall-mount without feeling uneasy about possible falls.[/QUOTE] It's only unrealistic since we're used to 24 fps films we've been fed throughout our lives. If we'd grown up with high-fps TVs, we'd thought that all 24 fps footage is blurry as fuck.

[QUOTE=Clavus;35645829]It's only unrealistic since we're used to 24 fps films we've been fed throughout our lives. If we'd grown up with high-fps TVs, we'd thought that all 24 fps footage is blurry as fuck.[/QUOTE] I'm comparing it to REALITY, not to other TVs or anything. Go on. Spin around in circles as fast as you can - or simply spin your head from side to side really fast and try to focus on something mid-way between where your head starts and stops finishing. You can't, shit gets blurry. You do the same thing in a game on one of these 240 Hz TVs though and everything is perfectly crisp and clear which just looks completely unnatural.

[QUOTE=Clavus;35645829]It's only unrealistic since we're used to 24 fps films we've been fed throughout our lives. If we'd grown up with high-fps TVs, we'd thought that all 24 fps footage is blurry as fuck.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'm so used to the 24 FPS that watching the high frame rate TVs drives me insane. I can barely even watch them at all.

at the electronics store I often notice the new TVs are over sharpened as well.I remember seeing a video of a flower but it was so overly vibrant and sharp that the TV looked awful

[QUOTE=sltungle;35645866]I'm comparing it to REALITY, not to other TVs or anything. Go on. Spin around in circles as fast as you can - or simply spin your head from side to side really fast and try to focus on something mid-way between where your head starts and stops finishing. You can't, shit gets blurry. You do the same thing in a game on one of these 240 Hz TVs though and everything is perfectly crisp and clear which just looks completely unnatural.[/QUOTE] It depends on which game you're playing. Some games have motion blur built in.

[QUOTE=Lizzrd;35645782]Nah you'll just buy one and it'll get updated every day.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't a tablet with an RSS feed from, say, CNN give the same effect?

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;35645749]and the price of newspapers soar.[/QUOTE] They'll still have to give them away for free on college campuses to attract readers.

[QUOTE=sltungle;35645866]I'm comparing it to REALITY, not to other TVs or anything. Go on. Spin around in circles as fast as you can - or simply spin your head from side to side really fast and try to focus on something mid-way between where your head starts and stops finishing. You can't, shit gets blurry. You do the same thing in a game on one of these 240 Hz TVs though and everything is perfectly crisp and clear which just looks completely unnatural.[/QUOTE] Yeah it looks like a bad PBS show.

[QUOTE=sltungle;35645634]This is slightly off topic, but a lot of the new TV technology is annoying me. Most specifically the TVs with insanely high frame rates (which use interpolated frames that don't actually exist as 'in between' frames for the real ones). They're so crisp that it's... unrealistic? It's incredibly offputting. If I rapidly turn my head from side to side in reality things aren't 100% clear, shit blurs together; but with new TVs if you're playing a game and spin your character around in circles everything's like... 100% perfectly crisp and clear - there's no motion blur. It's fucking weird. I saw some football game on a 240Hz TV at a tech store a while back and it looked like everything was in fast motion. However I'm perfectly fine with paper thin TVs - they'd be so easy to wall-mount without feeling uneasy about possible falls.[/QUOTE] I like my movies at 24p thank you...

[QUOTE=Kill coDer;35647347]I like my movies at 24p thank you...[/QUOTE] I don't think you would be able to see much on a 32 x 24 pixel telly. Also, what are they going to do with the TVs speakers? TVs in shops now sound like they have laptop speakers in.

[QUOTE='[EG] Pepper;35647388']I don't think you would be able to see much on a 32 x 24 pixel telly. Also, what are they going to do with the TVs speakers? TVs in shops now sound like they have laptop speakers in.[/QUOTE] He means 24fps.

Who even uses built in TV speakers anymore? In my opinion they should be removed completely on the high end products.

[QUOTE=farmatyr;35647576]Who even uses built in TV speakers anymore? In my opinion they should be removed completely on the high end products.[/QUOTE] I do, and so does everyone else I know :v:

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;35647614]I do, and so does everyone else I know :v:[/QUOTE] scrubs all of you

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;35645700]OH MY GOD, WE COULD HAVE PIP-BOYS[/QUOTE] ... could just tape your smartphone to your wrist? [QUOTE=farmatyr;35647576]Who even uses built in TV speakers anymore? In my opinion they should be removed completely on the high end products.[/QUOTE] yes yes everyone should be forced to spend another few hundred on good speaker setups after they have spent hundreds on their big tv. definitely. great plan the average person doesn't really give a shit about sound quality, sorry. the man who buys his giant tv to watch the football game on wants to see tom brady sweating in all his manly glory, not hear an old man talk about formations in crisp hd surround sound

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;35647958]yes yes everyone should be forced to spend another few hundred on good speaker setups after they have spent hundreds on their big tv. definitely. great plan the average person doesn't really give a shit about sound quality, sorry. the man who buys his giant tv to watch the football game on wants to see tom brady sweating in all his manly glory, not hear an old man talk about formations in crisp hd surround sound[/QUOTE] The next natural step will be to remove the speakers, when the screens gets paper thin. Everything will most likely become wireless, even the supply of power (WREL). When this printing technology get a solid foothold prices will be [I]drastically[/I] reduced, meaning you will have the extra money for a proper speaker system.

If you get motion blur in games because of your tv, it means your tv suffers from some bad ghosting or something. I personally can't stand when games blur when you move, either because of tv or because of ingame motion blur. You want to quickly turn but your screen turns into blurred mess, god that is fucking annoying. That's why I prefer high fps + no motion blur. To me MB does not add to experience. The only kind of blur I don't mind is per-object motion blur. Full screen ones are total trash.

[QUOTE=sltungle;35645634]This is slightly off topic, but a lot of the new TV technology is annoying me. Most specifically the TVs with insanely high frame rates (which use interpolated frames that don't actually exist as 'in between' frames for the real ones). They're so crisp that it's... unrealistic? It's incredibly offputting. If I rapidly turn my head from side to side in reality things aren't 100% clear, shit blurs together; but with new TVs if you're playing a game and spin your character around in circles everything's like... 100% perfectly crisp and clear - there's no motion blur. It's fucking weird. I saw some football game on a 240Hz TV at a tech store a while back and it looked like everything was in fast motion. However I'm perfectly fine with paper thin TVs - they'd be so easy to wall-mount without feeling uneasy about possible falls.[/QUOTE] For some reason when I view a high quality movie on those TVs it makes everything look more fake, like it's easier to tell they're stunts on a set and such.

I'm not going to buy one. I'm impressed that science can do this and I can see plenty of applications, but my TV isn't going to be one of them. I'm paranoid enough about the structural integrity of current TVs.

[QUOTE=sltungle;35645634]This is slightly off topic, but a lot of the new TV technology is annoying me. Most specifically the TVs with insanely high frame rates (which use interpolated frames that don't actually exist as 'in between' frames for the real ones). They're so crisp that it's... unrealistic? It's incredibly offputting. If I rapidly turn my head from side to side in reality things aren't 100% clear, shit blurs together; but with new TVs if you're playing a game and spin your character around in circles everything's like... 100% perfectly crisp and clear - there's no motion blur. It's fucking weird. I saw some football game on a 240Hz TV at a tech store a while back and it looked like everything was in fast motion. However I'm perfectly fine with paper thin TVs - they'd be so easy to wall-mount without feeling uneasy about possible falls.[/QUOTE] Is this the feeling where the characters look detached from the scenery they're on? Some random chick-flic that was on TV felt like they were using a green-screen, is the effect you're describing because it messes with my eyes too.