Most Britons believe video games are not art - even regular gamers and young people
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[url=http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/6gnw3h8evu/YG-Archive-140314-Games-Art.pdf]Full poll results[/url]
[url]http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/03/18/video-games-lowest-form-art/[/url]
[quote]Most people (61%) say they cannot be considered as “art”, while 27% say they can be. Even 54% of those who play games at least several times a year (46% of the population) dispute their artistic value, while 35% allow them to be called “art”.
Compared to other visual arts, video games are considered by far the least artistic: 88% say theatre is art; 77% say film is; and 45% say TV is. Notably, the media most popularly considered to be "art" are also the ones that have been around the longest. Theatre has, of course, been around for centuries and film has been around since the turn of the 20th Century. On the other hand, the history of television in Britain only really began in the late 1930s (though BBC television broadcasting was then suspended during WWII). Video or computer games didn't reach mainstream popularity until the 70s or 80s, and only in the 90s did the gaming industry begin to resemble its present form, either in terms of technology or market size.[/quote]
6% of people don't believe theatre is art? wat
I guess it's just a matter of taste, a large chunk of people over 30 only play casual mobile games, so they wouldn't consider it that.
Not all art has to be painting or sculpture, and people have to realize that. Truth be told, it has its own artistic value and has also inspired a lot of subgenres of gaming art for its own sake, and that should be enough to call it art.
Everything is art
it's just a generation gap, notice the 25-39 bars have a massive difference to the 40-59 bars of people who only played video games when they were primitive and most likely don't play many now
Does this sort of thing really matter? Why do video games need to validated by the standards of other forms of entertainment when it's clearly its own beast.
[QUOTE=Warriorx4;44289063]Does this sort of thing really matter? Why do video games need to validated by the standards of other forms of entertainment when it's clearly its own beast.[/QUOTE]
Of course not, 'art' is a meaningless term and worrying about whether or not something qualifies is pointless.
Surely Art is such a nebulous term that anything can be described as art?
These witless degenerates have clearly never experienced the masterpiece that is Gone Home
[QUOTE=FoneJack;44289087]Of course not, 'art' is a meaningless term and worrying about whether or not something qualifies is pointless.[/QUOTE]
I wholly agree with this.
Games can have deep meaning to some of us.
But I'm still playing a game where I blast fire out of one hand, and bullets out the other, in an underwater city based on Ayn Rand.
Probably because most of the younger people who said no are people who only play stuff like flappy bird and cod, which if that's the case it's no surprise they'd say that
[QUOTE=FoneJack;44289087]Of course not, 'art' is a meaningless term and worrying about whether or not something qualifies is pointless.[/QUOTE]
Aye. It's just annoying that this question pops up every now again ("Are video games art?")
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;44289105]I wholly agree with this.
Games can have deep meaning to some of us.
But I'm still playing a game where I blast fire out of one hand, and bullets out the other, in an underwater city based on Ayn Rand.[/QUOTE]
until games get something that has irrevocably good writing, this will likely continue.
gaming most glaring weakness is writing, it needs at least one guy/gal on the level of Isaac Asimov or something like that, who is interested in using games as a way to tell stories.
^I can agree and disagree with that. Disagreeing on the front that Team Ico exists.
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;44289039]Everything is art[/QUOTE]
Saying everything is art is about as descriptive as me saying "you will die within 10,000 years". Yes its in some way true as art is subjective, but using that definition holds no value.
[QUOTE=Warriorx4;44289243]^I can agree and disagree with that. Disagreeing on the front that Team Ico exists.[/QUOTE]
i understand there are folks that are capable of good writing in the gaming industry, but what it needs isn't just good, or even excellent writing, it needs a person that will go down in history, that is capable of spectacular writing in every way, because thats how you change public opinion on something, you show something so utterly irrefutable, they're forced to accept it and change their opinion(even if slowly).
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;44289274] Yes its true, but it holds no value.[/QUOTE]
Art is by its very nature subjective.
what is art
[QUOTE=Hat-Wearing Man;44289103]These witless degenerates have clearly never experienced the masterpiece that is Gone Home[/QUOTE]
you joke but it's titles like that that will gain respect for the medium soooo
Well, I know I'm supposed (having done art as a grade and into college) should recognize something that is moving, touching and thought provoking as artistic but when it comes to video games it never hits me. I guess its because its interactive; like a sport. Is sport considered art? Not really.
Then again video games are so diverse its really hard to label the whole genre as an art form; do you seriously want games like Call of Duty being considered artistic against deserving titles? Much like action films being regarded as artistic just because they're a form of film media? The whole thing is relative and should be judged according to the piece itself, not the genre.
[QUOTE=SwizzChees;44289338]what is art[/QUOTE]
Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me.. No more.
[QUOTE=Vasili;44289342]Well, I know I'm supposed (having done art as a grade and into college) should recognize something that is moving, touching and thought provoking as artistic but when it comes to video games it never hits me. I guess its because its interactive; like a sport. [B]Is sport considered art?[/B] Not really.
Then again video games are so diverse its really hard to label the whole genre as an art form; do you seriously want games like Call of Duty being considered artistic against deserving titles? Much like action films being regarded as artistic just because they're a form of film media? The whole thing is relative and should be judged according to the piece itself, not the genre.[/QUOTE]
some consider sports to be a form of art.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;44289197]until games get something that has irrevocably good writing, this will likely continue.
gaming most glaring weakness is writing, it needs at least one guy/gal on the level of Isaac Asimov or something like that, who is interested in using games as a way to tell stories.[/QUOTE]
Remedy? Maybe I'm just a huge fanboy, but I thought Alan Wake was 10/10 in terms of writing.
[QUOTE=Hat-Wearing Man;44289103]These witless degenerates have clearly never experienced the masterpiece that is Gone Home[/QUOTE]
Journey is a far better example of a game that can be considered art.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;44289288]i understand there are folks that are capable of good writing in the gaming industry, but what it needs isn't just good, or even excellent writing, it needs a person that will go down in history, that is capable of spectacular writing in every way, because thats how you change public opinion on something, you show something so utterly irrefutable, they're forced to accept it and change their opinion(even if slowly).[/QUOTE]
Hideo Kojima is the closest thing we'll get and he's more of the Quentin Tarantino of video games than anything else.
Imagine the average intelligence of any country, Britons, Germans, anyone.
Now realize that HALF of the people are dumber than that.
What do you think about news like this now?
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44289341]you joke but it's titles like that that will gain respect for the medium soooo[/QUOTE]
But that kinda sucks doesn't it? ICO and Shadow of the Colossus are in every sense of the word video games (as in they didn't have any kind of backlash like Gone Home did) and are wonderful examples of what the medium is capable of when it comes to fully utilizing its attributes as a video game to achieve something not possible in other mediums. I'd rather have more of that than simple walk here and gain exposition.
I don't really care if video games are considered art, nor think being considered so would make the any more valid.
If tv is art I'm santa.
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