[Venezuela] Congress session stopped after opposition deputies were beaten up mid-session - Polidicks

[quote]A number of opposition deputies were punched by pro-government lawmakers at the Venezuelan Congress, downtown Caracas, during a meeting on Tuesday. The National Assembly meeting started more than three hours late. Once again, the headquarters of the Venezuelan Congress became the stage of confrontation between the opposition bloc and the deputies supporting President Nicolás Maduro's government.[/quote] [url=http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/130430/congress-meeting-suspended-after-attack-on-opposition-deputies]Source[/url] This is the worst part, this is not the first time this has happened. They did this all the time. [img]http://static.eluniversal.com/2013/04/30/borges-julio.jpg.520.360.thumb.jpg[/img] First time they hit a woman though [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJJSHnnCUAA-Kau.jpg[/img] The parliament is a fucking joke, apparently today's session was delayed for three hours because the officialist deputies were at a Cirque Du Soleil private showing. When the session started, none of the opposition deputies had a microphone on their tables, and Diosdado Cabello, President of the National Assembly failed to recognize any one of them. The opposition recurred to start using vuvuzelas to call their attention, which is around the time the beatings started. Here's a video of what happened last time. This is not the current one, videos have not yet been published. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66G-L1N7xzQ[/media]

I'm sorry, that face looking at him in the stain-glass window is distracting me.. "oh yeah get a load of this deputy, real tough guy ain't he"

[img]http://unfotos.ultimasnoticias.com.ve//william-davila-tulioalvarez.jpg[/img] This is another opposition deputy, William Davila, who had a microphone thrown at him at the National Assembly about a week ago. Dude could have lost an eye there. I also have a video of what the officialist channels aired at the time of the beating. Highlights: a wall, the ceiling, and a short form documentary about the evils of Capriles. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRjnLhS8uwI[/media] [editline]edit[/editline] [QUOTE=Reds;40484845]I'm sorry, that face looking at him in the stain-glass window is distracting me.. "oh yeah get a load of this deputy, real tough guy ain't he"[/QUOTE] I'll get back to you on who that is lol, my first guess was Romulo Betancourt, the first president of the fourth republic, mostly because of the glasses. Then again Romulo Betancourt is a far more dapper motherfucker. [img]http://venciclopedia.com/images/thumb/8/80/Romulo_Betancourt.jpg/210px-Romulo_Betancourt.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Big Bang;40484796]The parliament is a fucking joke, apparently today's session was delayed for three hours because the officialist deputies were at a Cirque Du Soleil private showing. When the session started, none of the opposition deputies had a microphone on their tables, and Diosdado Cabello, President of the National Assembly failed to recognize any one of them. The opposition recurred to start using vuvuzelas to call their attention, which is around the time the beatings started.[/QUOTE] I can't even begin to describe how unreal that sounds.

Didn't someone on FP keep saying Venezuela's elections and government were some of the cleanest around?

No wonder the country is a mess. Didn't they just have a rigged election and the government refused a recount?

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;40484973]Didn't someone on FP keep saying Venezuela's elections and government were some of the cleanest around?[/QUOTE] Let me explain about that. What is relatively transparent, is the voting process per se. Yes, you can cheat, and indeed people did cheat by coercing voters to vote for an option by doing "assisted votes". My teachers essentially made the software used in the elections, and there's like 34 separate security processes involved in transmitting the votes, voting per se, and summing them. That's all automatic, and relatively difficult to manipulate unless you tamper with the voters, which is what has been done. The discrepancies however have nothing to do with the software, and it took a long time to understand it, but a similar system was used in the October 7th election to inflate the numbers to give an overwhelming majority for Chavez, who was at the moment, you know, dying. There's essentially a massive amount of cedulas not only from dead people, but fictitious people. That's the reason why we somehow have 19 million people out of 27 million able to vote in a predominantly young country, or why we have one of the lowest abstention rates on countries without compulsory voting despite the general populace having very low trust on government institutions, specifically the CNE. The Chavistas have essentially a sector of the population that is around 600 thousand people that flat out doesn't exist, and would be easy to prove with a full audit of ALL of the voter registry, but the CNE didn't authorize that for reasons that really do escape me. The extensive security measures on the votes are just a cover up for the incredible lack of security around the voter registry. You can get a cedula VERY easily, and that's all you need to vote, you just need a birth certificate, which is damn easy to get in one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;40485084]Let me explain about that. What is relatively transparent, is the voting process per se. Yes, you can cheat, and indeed people did cheat by coercing voters to vote for an option by doing "assisted votes". My teachers essentially made the software used in the elections, and there's like 34 separate security processes involved in transmitting the votes, voting per se, and summing them. That's all automatic, and relatively difficult to manipulate unless you tamper with the voters, which is what has been done. The discrepancies however have nothing to do with the software, and it took a long time to understand it, but a similar system was used in the October 7th election to inflate the numbers to give an overwhelming majority for Chavez, who was at the moment, you know, dying. There's essentially a massive amount of cedulas not only from dead people, but fictitious people. That's the reason why we somehow have 19 million people out of 27 million able to vote in a predominantly young country, or why we have one of the lowest abstention rates on countries without compulsory voting despite the general populace having very low trust on government institutions, specifically the CNE. The Chavistas have essentially a sector of the population that is around 600 thousand people that flat out doesn't exist, and would be easy to prove with a full audit of ALL of the voter registry, but the CNE didn't authorize that for reasons that really do escape me. The extensive security measures on the votes are just a cover up for the incredible lack of security around the voter registry. You can get a cedula VERY easily, and that's all you need to vote, you just need a birth certificate, which is damn easy to get in one of the most corrupt countries in the world.[/QUOTE] Honestly that sounds identical to the problems that happen in every country's elections, only made much worse by what seems to be a lack of caring from the people responsible for making sure it doesn't happen.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;40485283]Honestly that sounds identical to the problems that happen in every country's elections, only made much worse by what seems to be a lack of caring from the people responsible for making sure it doesn't happen.[/QUOTE] Yes, this indeed does happen on every election, it's just exacerbated to actually significantly change results and maintain political hegemony, possible only because of for how long the Venezuelan opposition was segmented while the PSUV grew stronger in a fundamentally single-party state. They want all the power. I know there will be people who want to dispute this but most of the people that do so don't see that we've been governed by essentially the same group of people from 1999 to today, with Chavez' departure being the only change. There is a true oligarchy and it ain't the rich, it's the state and its top dogs (Who just happens to also be rich, oh boy what a coincidence), what Capriles calls the "enchufaos". None of these people have political charisma, none of these people have a government plan, they're just there to get rich and appear poor. I mean, for fuck sakes, I have two CLOSE childhood friends who's fathers got absolutely stinking rich from this so called socialist revolution. I have three childhood friends who had to leave the country, one because he got kidnapped, the other two because their fathers were persecuted politically for working at PDVSA before the coup. I know the chaos this fucking country is heading to and I know it from firsthand experience, that's why I find it so absolutely baffling to see somebody who has experienced that yet still somehow believes that the government is actually there because people want them there.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;40484973]Didn't someone on FP keep saying Venezuela's elections and government were some of the cleanest around?[/QUOTE] sup. [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;40484973]government were some of the cleanest around?[/QUOTE] I only said elections, the government are a bunch of crooks. However, as Big Bang explained (though perhaps not as exagerated as he says) the government DOES cheat by cohersing people into voting for them, there are plenty of reports of people from neighborhoods benefited by government programs being constantly harrassed to vote for the government, but the great part of this harrassment happens in public offices: [url]http://www.laverdad.com/economia/25562-amenazan-con-despidos-en-el-irdez-por-postura-politica.html[/url] The director of a sports committee in zulia (a state whose local government is chavista) was secretly recorded in a meeting threatening to fire a list of employees that were accused of voting for Capriles. My best friend who's not a supporter of the government was basically forced to vote for them because both of her parents work in the government and they were threatened to be fired if they didn't get at least 10 people they knew to vote for Maduro. However awful this may seem, this has been a common practice throughout the whole democratic period of Venezuela and I honestly doubt that Capriles didn't use resources of the Government of Miranda (the state he's currently governor of) to do electioneering (again, every party that has at least one spot in the government does this). But yeah, here, have a better photo of the injuries of Maria Corina, looks like she was dry punched in the nose. I honestly can't believe this kinds of shit still happen in my country in this day and age: [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJJcFtjCIAExFdg.jpg[/IMG]

I read something that the government run grocery stores will only service members of the ruling party. Can anyone elaborate?

[QUOTE=Disotrtion;40485766]I read something that the government run grocery stores will only service members of the ruling party. Can anyone elaborate?[/QUOTE] no. Though if for some reason you go there with a capriles shirt and cap you'd probably get mugged by other people.

[QUOTE=barttool;40485717]resources of the Government of Miranda (the state he's currently governor of) to do electioneering (again, every party that has at least one spot in the government does this)[/QUOTE] How the fuck do you do that in the first instance if the government can arbitrarily remove those funds like they [url=http://www.el-nacional.com/politica/Capriles-Maduro-tranquilo-trabajadores-Miranda_0_181181965.html][i]just did[/i][/url]? The dad of one of the guys I studied with in highschool is actually the guy responsible from obtaining campaign funds for the Capriles campaign (He has a photo on Facebook with Capriles himself within the campaign center, which I can PM to you if you really want to see it but I don't want to bring my real friends into this), and trust me when I say none of it is government funds, and a good deal of material was recycled from the last campaign. There are enough private investors to finance the entire thing that wouldn't otherwise back the government. At least Capriles has the decency of asking for public donations, the PSUV doesn't even bother recollecting funds, they already got 'em. They use every single tool available to them, be it coercion or extortion, be it mandatory broadcasts or mandatory voting, threats. People have already gotten fired because they voted for Capriles and somebody ratted them out. [QUOTE=Disotrtion;40485766]I read something that the government run grocery stores will only service members of the ruling party. Can anyone elaborate?[/QUOTE] It's not law, but there is a certain bias. That's called Mercal though, it's a grocery store that is essentially financed with oil money (In fact, PDVSA Alimentos is the main benefactor) that mostly serves products that are under controlled priced and under government scrutiny, it also has a more general supermarket sister chain called Abasto Bicentenario. It's pretty noticeable when they are missing certain things, there's a video somewhere of people fighting over a chicken breast since chicken has been pretty hard to find lately. The true purpose of it however is to try and make the private supermarkets submit, Mercal has prices that are nearly impossible to match because it's all sold for a loss, in fact most of its infrastructure comes from two very large supermarket chains that were absorbed by the government, which are CADA and Supermercados Exito.

And UNASUR is supporting these assholes

I glanced and didn't see "[Venezuela]" in the title and I assumed america but, they are so [B]uptight [/B]and [B]up their own ass [/B]that even if you say "hell" and make an INSANELY good point they'll get pissed off and call you out for your "horrible manners" and "Horrible unprofessional outbreak"

venezuelan politics is like a fucking deathmatch shit, i'd rather live in sierra leone

[QUOTE=Neat!;40486049]venezuelan politics is like a fucking deathmatch shit, i'd rather live in sierra leone[/QUOTE] more like a really aggressive popularity contest.

Why do I find it funny? Just the sheer thought of politicians solving disputes with their bare hands :v:

When's the revolution coming?

In the Netherlands we have a name for these kind of pretend democracies. We call them Banana Republics.

[QUOTE=V12US;40486564]In the Netherlands we have a name for these kind of pretend democracies. We call them Banana Republics.[/QUOTE] then youve missed the point of calling something a banana republic banana republic means an unstable nation which relies on a single export e.g. bananas

Wow looks like the same shit that happens in Ukraines parliament from times to time, dissapointing overall, especially for the citizens of venezuela

the opposition needs to do things like ukraine, and get a boxing champion as their leader. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitali_Klitschko[/url]

[QUOTE=barttool;40486215]more like a really aggressive popularity contest.[/QUOTE] So it's kind of like high school?

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;40484973]Didn't someone on FP keep saying Venezuela's elections and government were some of the cleanest around?[/QUOTE] Clearly this is just more lies by the imperialist American media.

[QUOTE=thisispain;40487051]then youve missed the point of calling something a banana republic banana republic means an unstable nation which relies on a single export e.g. bananas[/QUOTE] Oil republic then. Its unstable and wouldnt be shit without their insane amounts of oil. To me, any government that uses violence and threats to get its will, might as well be the Taliban. There is no excuse but being backwards.

[QUOTE=thisispain;40487051]then youve missed the point of calling something a banana republic banana republic means an unstable nation which relies on a single export e.g. bananas[/QUOTE] yeah that's Venezuela all right.

It's okay guys, the UN said everything was fine and dandy.

hahahaha [IMG]http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/21318_10151426181061317_195821002_n.jpg[/IMG] slayer gives a private concert in the national assembly, pit mosh ensues.