An 18-year-old Somali-American from Minnesota is facing up to 15 years in prison after pleading guil
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[quote]A Minnesota man who authorities say tried to fly to Turkey with the intent of joining terror group ISIS in Syria pleaded guilty Thursday in a federal court in Minneapolis.
Abdullahi Yusuf, an 18-year-old Somali-American, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to provide material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization, a crime punishable by up to 15 years in prison.
After the plea, U.S. District Judge Michael J. Davis allowed Yusuf to await sentencing at a halfway house, where Yusuf was ordered to stay earlier this year while the case against him proceeded. Sentencing wasn't immediately scheduled.
Authorities said Yusuf, of the Minneapolis suburb of Inver Grove Heights, came under investigation after he applied last April for an expedited passport for a trip to Turkey. The FBI pursued a report from a worker at a Minneapolis passport office, who became suspicious of Yusuf's intentions during an interview about his application, court documents say.
According to investigators, Yusuf, a community college student at the time, had no firm travel plans, only a vague explanation of where he would get the roughly $1,500 for a plane ticket, and displayed suspicious behaviors as the application interview continued.[/quote]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/26/world/minnesota-isis-guilty-plea/index.html[/url]
At least he pleaded guilty. Personally, I think 15 years will be more than enough time for him to realise and understand that what he did was wrong. I just hope it won't turn him even further against the West.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47235800]At least he pleaded guilty. Personally, I think 15 years will be more than enough time for him to realise and understand that what he did was wrong. I just hope it won't turn him even further against the West.[/QUOTE]
Strict punishment tends to increase the chance of reoffending. So no, it will make it worse. Nothing will be learned, he just won't be a problem for 15 years.
Y'all need to step up your rehabilitative justice game.
[QUOTE=GunFox;47235871]Strict punishment tends to increase the chance of reoffending. So no, it will make it worse. Nothing will be learned, he just won't be a problem for 15 years.[/QUOTE]
If the 15 years of prison is accompanied with at least a few of those years focussing on rehabilitation, I think he could learn. But if he's just sat about shitting himself for over a dozen years, then yeah, he won't get anywhere.
Why are we calling them DAESH now?
[QUOTE=Griffster26;47236210]Why are we calling them DAESH now?[/QUOTE]
Because ISIS doesn't want to be called DAESH.
[QUOTE=Griffster26;47236210]Why are we calling them DAESH now?[/QUOTE]
Because they changed their name and are threatening to either kill people who use IS(IS) or chop out their tongues, I forget which exactly.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;47236215]Because they changed their name and are threatening to either kill people who use IS(IS) or chop out their tongues, I forget which exactly.[/QUOTE]
They're threatening to kill people who call them 'DAESH', doc. Which is exactly why we do.
[QUOTE=Griffster26;47236210]Why are we calling them DAESH now?[/QUOTE]
It's an Arabic abbreviation for their Arabic name but they don't want it to be used
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;47236233]It's an Arabic abbreviation for their Arabic name but they don't want it to be used[/QUOTE]
It also sounds like Daes ("one who crushes something underfoot") and Dahes ("one who sows discord").
Which they don't like
i actually knew the 18 year old in question. we were friends for a brief period of time. good thing i wasn't the only one who got weird anti-american vibes from him. small world.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47235800]At least he pleaded guilty. Personally, I think 15 years will be more than enough time for him to realise and understand that what he did was wrong. I just hope it won't turn him even further against the West.[/QUOTE]
Hahaha, I can't think of anything that would turn a person against the West more than being thrown in prison for 15 years based on fear of what he [I]might[/I] have done.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47237904]Hahaha, I can't think of anything that would turn a person against the West more than being thrown in prison for 15 years based on fear of what he [I]might[/I] have done.[/QUOTE]
You mean "was planning to do"
[QUOTE=Apache249;47238016]You mean "was planning to do"[/QUOTE]
No, it's "might". This isn't Minority Report. We don't get to see the future.
"Providing material support" is a joke. He's 18. He has no resources and no ability to provide any support beyond what he can physically do with his own 2 hands. That law is intended to go after people supplying weapons, money, and stuff that actually matters.
We should be rehabilitating people like him, not just throwing them in prison for a decade or more based on what they might be planning to do. That accomplishes nothing of value.
[QUOTE=archangel125;47236221]They're threatening to kill people who call them 'DAESH', doc. Which is exactly why we do.[/QUOTE]
It's all fun and games until a suicide bomb explodes in the middle of the general discussion section
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47238061]No, it's "might". This isn't Minority Report. We don't get to see the future.
"Providing material support" is a joke. He's 18. He has no resources and no ability to provide any support beyond what he can physically do with his own 2 hands. That law is intended to go after people supplying weapons, money, and stuff that actually matters.
We should be rehabilitating people like him, not just throwing them in prison for a decade or more based on what they might be planning to do. That accomplishes nothing of value.[/QUOTE]
Threat of "rehabilitation" is not going to deter people from trying to join/support terrorist groups.
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Yeah, every criminal [I]should[/I] be rehabilitated. I agree, but that's a pipe dream. The whole point in having lengthy sentences for various crimes is to deter people from committing them in the first place.
[QUOTE=Apache249;47238079]Threat of "rehabilitation" is not going to deter people from trying to join/support terrorist groups.
[editline]1st March 2015[/editline]
Yeah, every criminal [I]should[/I] be rehabilitated. I agree, but that's a pipe dream. The whole point in having lengthy sentences for various crimes is to deter people from committing them in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Deterrence doesn't work. Sorry. Research on this has been back for decades.
Just put a RFID tag on him and let him go over there.
[QUOTE=archangel125;47236044]Y'all need to step up your rehabilitative justice game.[/QUOTE]
We'll rehabilitate the fuck out of the terrorist recruiters; rest assured.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;47238073]It's all fun and games until a suicide bomb explodes in the middle of the general discussion section[/QUOTE]
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Aloha snackbar?
[QUOTE=Code3Response;47238233]We'll rehabilitate the fuck out of the terrorist recruiters; rest assured.[/QUOTE]
I'm down with that. Recruiters ARE providing real material support.
IMO, it's like jailing junkies versus dealers. Putting dumb teenagers in jail for planning to provide irrelevant "aid" is completely useless. Go after the people who actively recruit them.
[QUOTE=joshdasmif;47236368]Which they don't like[/QUOTE]
I like it very much because now I can call them Daeshbags.
[QUOTE=archangel125;47236221]They're threatening to kill people who call them 'DAESH', doc. Which is exactly why we do.[/QUOTE]
boulderdaesh
Minnesota has a pretty big problem with this, actually. There's a massive Somali refugee population there, and there's a lot of terrorist recruiting going on around Minneapolis and St. Paul.
There's been a ton of effort to fight back against it, but some areas were known as "terrorist mills" for a while.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;47239032]Minnesota has a pretty big problem with this, actually. There's a massive Somali refugee population there, and there's a lot of terrorist recruiting going on around Minneapolis and St. Paul.
There's been a ton of effort to fight back against it, but some [B]areas were known as "terrorist mills" for a while.[/B][/QUOTE]
By stupid people, I assume.
Yep, its by those colorful towers that have missing windows and that sort of thing. I always see them when I drive by the "Love Power" mural of Jesus on my way to class.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;47239032]Minnesota has a pretty big problem with this, actually. There's a massive Somali refugee population there, and there's a lot of terrorist recruiting going on around Minneapolis and St. Paul.
There's been a ton of effort to fight back against it, but some areas were known as "terrorist mills" for a while.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, at my fathers work some of the Somali contractor employees were using their flight benefits to fly over and join ISIS. When one of them was shipped home in a wooden box it started a small shit storm and Delta terminated the contractor for improper background checks.
[QUOTE=GunFox;47238164]Deterrence doesn't work. Sorry. Research on this has been back for decades.[/QUOTE]
What about nuclear deterrence?
[QUOTE=minilandstan;47240752]What about nuclear deterrence?[/QUOTE]
Deterrence theory from criminology. It is a specific theory and is unrelated to MAD.
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