This is why too much empathy is just as bad as none at all

[Supacasey]

People need to calm the fuck down. I was just minding my own business, tweaking Rage, when all of a sudden this happened. "Steve Jobs is dead" is me.

[quote]
Never tell your password to anyone.
-withheld-: who
Steve Jobs is dead: whut
-withheld-: who died?
Steve Jobs is dead: Paul Allen
-withheld-: whos steve jobs?
Steve Jobs is dead: A man who wished nothing but to go as far as to look more like
-withheld-: i know who steve jobs is it was a joke you were supposed to play along and be super offended
-withheld-: wow you are a rebel without a cause
Steve Jobs is dead: man
Steve Jobs is dead: I'm the outised agitator
Steve Jobs is dead: with an agenda
-withheld-: i'll miss him alot though
Steve Jobs is dead: lolnope
-withheld-: he used to be a role model for me back in the day
Steve Jobs is dead: naaahhhhh
Steve Jobs is dead: He was a lways a prick
Steve Jobs is dead: always*
-withheld-: if you're not a prick sometimes you wont get anywhere as a buisness man or any successfull person
Steve Jobs is dead: But here's the thing
Steve Jobs is dead: He was a prick all the time
-withheld-: his death shouldnt be mocked for his personality, it should be celebrated for the achievements that - even arguably - he made and the fact he changed our perception of a personal computer as we know it
Steve Jobs is dead: see, we should probably end this conversation here
Steve Jobs is dead: cuz Im just gonna make some points to teh contrary
-withheld-: all of which are stupid
Steve Jobs is dead: And I can tell you'll take it perso-
Steve Jobs is dead: yeah I saw that coming
-withheld-: you dont go to a widow and say your husband was an ass at this point in time and here and here and thefore your husband was a terrible person dont feel sad for his passing
-withheld-: good job
Steve Jobs is dead: ...Are you comparing yourself to Steve Jobs' widow?
-withheld-: im comparing your actions to the person who walks up to steve jobs' widow
-withheld-: you're not offending me one bit
Steve Jobs is dead: Except I'm not
Steve Jobs is dead: I'm a guy that didn't know Steve Jobs personally conversing with another person that didn't know Steve Jobs personally about why I don't care about the fact that he's dead
-withheld-: then you're someone who walks up to someone who is visibly distraught after JFK died, says he was an asshole here and here and explain why you dont care that he's dead and then try to rectify your lack of empathy by using an excuse that neither of you know him personally]
-withheld-: you're an asshole in any situation possible
-withheld-: your lack of empathy is astounding and your reasoning is pathetic
-withheld-: if you dont like the man who was steve job astleast respect his passing for those who do
-withheld-: no amount of " i never knew him personally" nulls empathy in any situation
Steve Jobs is dead: and you're the guy that's prying an argument out of a guy that was minding his own business and didn't care that Steve Jobs died to try and make him look like an asshole.
Steve Jobs is dead: How's them APPLES.
Steve Jobs is dead: HAHAHA
Steve Jobs is dead: Ooooh that's good.
-withheld-: i'm the guy who started an argument with an asshole to try to expose his atrocious behavior and lack of any understanding of emotions
-withheld-: autism is the simple answer here
-withheld-: seek help
Steve Jobs is dead: you're the guy that started an argument another guy wanted to avoid, regardless of the topic
Steve Jobs is dead: you're prying this open in an attempt to make me look like an asshole but really this is just concincing me of the contrary
Steve Jobs is dead: convincing*
-withheld-: when you're a terrible of a person as you are, its hard to avoid how devoid of empathy and understanding of other peoples emotions you are
Steve Jobs is dead: uhhhhh
Steve Jobs is dead: Really? You're going to initiate a conversation with me, not even listen to my side, start an argument I didn't even want to participate in. judge me without knowing me, all over some dudes death
Steve Jobs is dead: This is fucking nuts
-withheld-: you saying " i dont want to talk about this " doesnt make your serious mental problems any less apparent
-withheld-: i dont need to know you to understand how terrible you are as a person, i've seen enough
Steve Jobs is dead: This is just getting funny now...
Steve Jobs is dead: Ahahaha
Steve Jobs is dead: Oh man keep going that's rich
Steve Jobs is dead: What kind of opinionated asshole are you
-withheld-: to backtrack a bit, what was your side anyway?
Steve Jobs is dead: I've barely said two words and all of a sudden I'm an irredeamable autistic asshole
Steve Jobs is dead: Go back to church pls
-withheld-: " i dont know him "
-withheld-: when you walk down the street, and someone next to you gets shot
-withheld-: do you feel sadness the day after?
-withheld-: no, apparently you dont because you didnt know him
Steve Jobs is dead: I didn't even get a chance to PRESENT my side and already you're at your battlestations
Steve Jobs is dead: Yeah pretty much
-withheld-: a news story breaks about how a small child gets molested and murdered somewhere
-withheld-: no empathy from you, you didnt know him
Steve Jobs is dead: I'd kinda be like "Woahly fuck someone almost shot me" but yeah I didn't know the guy
-withheld-: you get in a taxi-cab and get into a major accident. the taxi-driver is dying in your arms
Steve Jobs is dead: I'd think the rapist/murderer's a dick but yeah I didn't know the kid. Sucks for him/her but hey lofe goes on.
-withheld-: but you wont care, you didnt know him
-withheld-: are you seeing how devoid of all emotion for other people you are
Steve Jobs is dead: How about you take a step back, read the beginning of this conversation and re-asses how you're coming off and get back to me.
Steve Jobs is dead: I'm so sorry my opinion about some dudes death is detached, but I guess that really makes me an asshole, right?
-withheld-: regardless of how this conversation started off and what i assumed, you have backed up my incredibly subjective argument with this
-withheld-: Steve Jobs is dead: I'm a guy that didn't know Steve Jobs personally conversing with another person that didn't know Steve Jobs personally about why I don't care about the fact that he's dead
Steve Jobs is dead: Screw me and my rights to have my own opinions and thoughts, right? What an asshole of me!
Steve Jobs is dead: Forming my own opinions and all.
-withheld-: you're entitled to your own opinions but you're still incredulously ignorant to any form of understanding human emotions
Steve Jobs is dead: There's a saying that the second you personally attack the opposition in a debate you instantly lose. You came right out of the gate guns blazing.
-withheld-: what i said wasnt a personal attack mind you
-withheld-: it was an observation
Steve Jobs is dead: And are you saying this OVERWHELMING abundance of "empathy" towards someone you didn't even know is any healthier?
Steve Jobs is dead: Look at yourself, man.
Steve Jobs is dead: Is this how you wanted to spend your afternoon?
-withheld-: i told you that i wasnt offended in any way when you said steve jobs was a prick
-withheld-: im just intruiged about how detatched you are from other people
Steve Jobs is dead: -withheld-: you dont go to a widow and say your husband was an ass at this point in time and here and here and thefore your husband was a terrible person dont feel sad for his passing
-withheld-: good job
-withheld-: then you're someone who walks up to someone who is visibly distraught after JFK died, says he was an asshole here and here and explain why you dont care that he's dead and then try to rectify your lack of empathy by using an excuse that neither of you know him personally]
-withheld-: you're an asshole in any situation possible
-withheld-: your lack of empathy is astounding and your reasoning is pathetic
-withheld-: i'm the guy who started an argument with an asshole to try to expose his atrocious behavior and lack of any understanding of emotions
-withheld-: autism is the simple answer here
-withheld-: seek help
Steve Jobs is dead: Mhm
-withheld-: -withheld-: it was an observation
Steve Jobs is dead: Oh clearly.
Steve Jobs is dead: -withheld-: you're an asshole in any situation possible
-withheld-: autism is the simple answer here
-withheld-: seek help
-withheld-: once again a clever and apparent observation
Steve Jobs is dead: Well if "observation" is a get out of jail free card then it is my ameteur observation that you're a bit of an opinionated, crazed douche
Steve Jobs is dead: If I may be so bold as to state it.
-withheld-: im not the one debating the words that people say instead of the idea
-withheld-: the idea is as follows
-withheld-: you're so detatched in understand emotion, empathy, and other basic social skills that i can honestly beleive you're autistic in one form or another
Steve Jobs is dead: Oh no I UNDERSTAND it
Steve Jobs is dead: And let's say Gabe Newell died
Steve Jobs is dead: Yeah I'd be empathetic
Steve Jobs is dead: But if some guy I knew 0 about died, or if someone I didn't like died
Steve Jobs is dead: Yeah no
-withheld-: from what you're showing its obvious that you wouldnt care either way
Steve Jobs is dead: From what I'm showing...
Steve Jobs is dead: So now we've gone from debate, to insults, to "professional" opinions and summations of a defect I MUST have because my thoughts and opinions are different than yours/the norm
-withheld-: state where my opinons are proffessional and where i have stated that becuase you dont agree with me you're defective
-withheld-: i am observing you have symptoms of autism
-withheld-: and pointing them out clearly
Steve Jobs is dead: Quotes, dawg. "professional" = psuedo professionalism.
-withheld-: -withheld-: state where my opinons are proffessional and where i have stated that becuase you dont agree with me you're defective
-withheld-: have failed to do either
Steve Jobs is dead: Now, before we attack my apparent diagnosis of autism, how did we get to a diagnostic stage, and why did we get there in the first palce?
Steve Jobs is dead: Why am I under the microscope here?
-withheld-: becuase you're devoid of empathy
Steve Jobs is dead: So?
Steve Jobs is dead: And I'd like to point out I'm devoid of empathy in this case.
Steve Jobs is dead: Not in general.
-withheld-: that is a terrible charicatrastic and a symptom of autism
Steve Jobs is dead: Good to know.
Steve Jobs is dead: Now why press that?
-withheld-: you're also devoid in this sitation
-withheld-: and
-withheld-: Steve Jobs is dead: I'd kinda be like "Woahly fuck someone almost shot me" but yeah I didn't know the guy
Steve Jobs is dead: So? It's true. Are you saying that if some random guy you didn't know next to you suddenly vanished you'd miss him? Do you yearn for the company of every stranger you've ever met? Do you shed a tear every time anyone in the world ever died?
Steve Jobs is dead: Probably not.
-withheld-: if someone next to me spontaniously died i would feel empathy towards his family and those who miss him. i would not walk around preaching about how he was a dick and that i dont care.
-withheld-: i havent shed a tear for anyone i dont know, but i feel empathy and sad emotions regardless
Steve Jobs is dead: Ah, but there's your fault.
-withheld-: human nature
-withheld-: my fault is caring about peopels emotions
Steve Jobs is dead: He's supposed to be someone you know NOTHING ABOUT, yet you say " i would not walk around preaching about how he was a dick and that i dont care."
-withheld-: and there's yours too
Steve Jobs is dead: That implies you DO know something of him, and as such empathy would follow.
-withheld-: well then the entire thing is null from your side too, you knew steve jobs enough to make an opinion about him
-withheld-: making you even mroe devoid of emotion
-withheld-: or understanding of said emotions
-withheld-: rather
Steve Jobs is dead: If I seriously knew 0 about Steve Jobs then yeah I'd be empathetic, somewhat. But I do know Steve Jobs. Enough to form an opinion that keeps me from feeling empathetic.
Steve Jobs is dead: And I;m entitled to whatever opinions I conclude.
Steve Jobs is dead: Exactly.
-withheld-: do you know his family, his wife his kids. do you know his friends, or how he interacted with them
-withheld-: do you undesrtand how much they will miss them
-withheld-: do you understand the emotions they will feel
-withheld-: no
-withheld-: but you should be able to predict
-withheld-: and assume
-withheld-: they're all very saddened by this
Steve Jobs is dead: Well now you're just being presumptuous and erratic.
-withheld-: you've been married to a man for a long time
-withheld-: he dies
-withheld-: are you sad
Steve Jobs is dead: Well first of all I'm not gay. Second, assuming you think I'm a chick, lol you're arguing with a chick. Third, of course. BECAUSE I KNEW HIM.
Steve Jobs is dead: What are you not getting here?
-withheld-: then you can sympathise with how the feel, yeah?
Steve Jobs is dead: Positive opinion = empathy, no opinion = no empathy, negative opinion = no empathy
Steve Jobs is dead: With how people close to him felt? Sure, but when did I say I didn't?
Steve Jobs is dead: Have we come to a mutual agreement that this entire... Inspection or whatever you want to call it was completely unnecessary and unfounded?
Steve Jobs is dead: Mmmyello?
Steve Jobs is dead: We done?
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Am I wrong, or was that COMPLETELY unwarranted? I understand death can be an event that causes people to have completely normal reactions, but why's the fact that some people may have opinions that persuade them to think otherwise so hard to understand?

[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Chat log thread" - JohnnyMo1))[/highlight]

[BackOnCrack]

woa another chatlog? so [I]interesting[/I]

[baqua]

holy shit, you expect me to read all of that?

[Supacasey]

[QUOTE=BackOnCrack;32658800]woa another chatlog? so [I]interesting[/I][/QUOTE]
"Another"? What other one?

[editline]6th October 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=baqua;32658809]holy shit, you expect me to read all of that?[/QUOTE]
Yep because I made this thread with the express purpose of getting you and you only to read this thread, baqua.

[Lazor]

too much empathy...?

[quote]em·pa·thy/ˈempəTHē/
Noun:
The ability to understand and share the feelings of another.
Synonyms:
sympathy
[/quote]

[boomersocks]

One would think a gold member would know better than to post a chat log thread

[Supacasey]

[QUOTE=Boomersocks;32658852]One would think a gold member would know better than to post a chat log thread[/QUOTE]
yeah I knew what was most likely going to happen but I thought I'd try it anyway. I don't know why they're immediately discounted, they're still conversations that can lead to constructive exchange when scrutinized.

I mean, why is it when someone posts a "I overheard X at school" or "X happened today" thread they can go either way but a chatlog? Nope, can't share that.

[killerteacup]

[QUOTE=Supacasey;32658907]yeah I knew what was most likely going to happen but I thought I'd try it anyway. I don't know why they're immediately discounted, they're still conversations that can lead to constructive exchange when scrutinized.

I mean, why is it when someone posts a "I overheard X at school" or "X happened today" thread they can go either way but a chatlog? Nope, can't share that.[/QUOTE]

School threads are discouraged
Also chatlogs aren't very interesting which says a lot about this thread

[devotchkade]

I read it.

I don't know how much empathy that person had. He was just an ass looking for a fight. What you believe personally about Steve Jobs is not going to affect his family given that he's a globally-known celebrity.

[editline]7th October 2011[/editline]

Also: "Second, assuming you think I'm a chick, lol you're arguing with a chick."

What?

[Supacasey]

[QUOTE=devotchkade;32658999]I read it.

I don't know how much empathy that person had. He was just an ass looking for a fight. What you believe personally about Steve Jobs is not going to affect his family given that he's a globally-known celebrity.

[editline]7th October 2011[/editline]

Also: "Second, assuming you think I'm a chick, lol you're arguing with a chick."

What?[/QUOTE]
Stupid joke. Assuming he thought I was a chick, in his mind I was. So to him, he was picking a fight with a chick, which is a socially unacceptable thing to do.

[CrabC]

Facepunch in a chatlog.