German Transgendered girl Alex, has been institutionalized.
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This is a follow up from a previous headline:
[url]http://facepunch.com/threads/1160071[/url]
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BERLIN taz:
The transsexual Alex Kaminsky (name changed) can now legally be institutionalized against her will. The Berlin Kammergericht (chamber court) has ruled so on Thursday. The mother of the eleven year old had sued against the decision of the youth office and lost. Her lawyer declared he will continue and appeal to the Verfassungsgericht (constitutional court).
The child, who felt as a girl her whole life and who lives as a girl, can now be forcibly institutionalized in the Berlin Charité. Youth office was able to make that decision because the parents, who live separated, are of different opinions about the medical treatment of the child and thus had transmitted the health care custody to the youth office. There, a nurse was of the opinion, Alex should be treated in the Charité institutionally and then be sent to a foster family.
The nurse found, that the mother had 'induced' the childs transsexuality, and therefore Alex had to be removed from her sphere of influence. In the Charité it is to bring near to Alex her “biological” gender/sex, and to “prohibit gender atypical behavior”, chief physician Klaus Beier explains the therapy.
Which the Hamburgian sexual scientist Hertha Richter-Appelt states is an “antiquated point of view.” A forced institutionalization deems unwise to her., If the mother induces the transsexuality, it could be determined ambulant.
No expert report necessary
Mother and daughter asked to be psychiatrically evaluated. But the Kammergericht declines this expert report. An expert report were not necessary, the families lawyer cites from the enactment. The explanation of the nurse is comprehensible, the desired stationary diagnostic within her discretionary authority.
On the other hand, it were to accuse the mother of intending to introduce the child in the teaching hospitals of Hamburg and Frankfurt at the Main, the only specialists for transsexuality in children and youths in Germany.
The Kaminskies lawyer calls the enactment “startling”: “The view that transsexuality can be induced over years without any resistance is nowhere represented in the expert literature. That is an invention of the nurse.”
Said nurse has only had a single, hour long, conversation with the child, whose opinions she had ignored.
Lawyer and family now want to go to the Bundesverfassungsgericht (federal constitutional court.) It can decide quickly in custody matters, the lawyer states. In Karlsruhe (seat of the federal constitutional court) they usually take a childs rights serious.
International signature campaign
Support for Alex comes from human rights activists. On monday at 3pm, the “Activist alliance Alex” will demonstrate in front of the Berlin senatorial department for youth. Their slogan: “Stop Alex forced institutionalisation at once.” “This is not an isolated story,” the appeal states. “Institutions like the youth office and the Charité use force on humans through enforcement and psychological pressure! Each gender and each gender identity is a right, not a disease.”
There is also a signature campaign brought on its way. The british transsexual activist Katrina Swales started it on Change.org . Adressing Berlins mayor Klaus Wowereit, it says: “This young girl gets taught that her feelings are wrong. She gets pushed into self denial more and more. Something that has already cost the lives of so many transsexuals.” Already 9000 people have signed.
And Alex? She wanted to endure the crisis with help of a therapist. But the youth office declined that too.
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Source: [url]http://www.taz.de/Streit-um-elfjaehrige-Transexuelle/!90229/[/url]
Old Petition: [url]http://www.change.org/petitions/mayor-of-berlin-stop-the-institutionalization-of-a-11-year-old-transexual[/url]
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I can't think of anything to say, so I'm just sat here, sighing.
why
I thought Institutionalizing people just for being different started to go away at the beginning of the 20th century. Apparently not.
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lol nazis
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[QUOTE=Protection;35273022]lol nazis[/QUOTE]
Get out
This is just so wrong, I mean it was even simply a nurse that managed to get her institutionalized, not even a Doctor.
Maybe gas her too while you're at it.
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[QUOTE=Protection;35273022]lol nazis[/QUOTE]
:(
My gods. This shit makes me so fucking mad.
Fucking bullshit.
Even though it's a person I barely know from news, just imagining her situation makes me clench my hands into fists.
This shouldn't be happening at this historical age.
It's a real tragedy, I must say.
Also some parts where not in the article and might be interresting for you guys
Alex grew up a boy feeling like a girl, her mother apparrently supported that and Alex'
father forced her to wear boy's wear.
The parents got divorced and now the mother wanted to support Alex' decision while Alex'
biological father wanted to make her grow up like a boy by all means.
A court decided against the mother and now she gets institutionalized by the youth welfare office
because apparently, it was her mother fault that Alex turned out like this and she supported her behaviour.
(That's what the father claims)
The mother is now trying her best at a higher court and hopefully avoid Alex getting institutionalized and let her live the way she wants to.
It's not right what the youth welfare office does here... that is so typical german judgement and bureaucracy. Look at something for an hour and then judge about it.
This is sad, really sad.
Generally institutionalization should be for nobody else but murderers and downright dangerous people. Nobody who doesn't harm the society should ever be forced out of the way he is.
[url]http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/01/31/german-trans-girl-to-be-institutionalised/[/url]
Article that was posted a month ago, before this ruling.
Wasn't the original reason for the institutionalization that she was going to bloody kill himself?
[QUOTE=Red scout?;35273496]Wasn't the original reason for the institutionalization that she was going to bloody kill himself?[/QUOTE]
That was basically an excuse
There was never any sign of suicidal behaviour until the father started trying to force her to act / dress male, and even then the only reports of that is from the father, and Gender dysphoria is a horrible thing to experience, but as I believe i stated last time, that the correct treatment WAS being followed, psychiatrist and so on. not institutionalization thanks to a bigoted father.
There is a good analysis here:
[url]http://janefae.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/news-feed-11-year-old-girl-committed-to-mental-institution-for-being-transgender/[/url]
[QUOTE=Red scout?;35273496]Wasn't the original reason for the institutionalization that she was going to bloody kill himself?[/QUOTE]
And just like the last thread, you're back to use the wrong pronouns for [I]no fucking reason[/I]. Joy.
[QUOTE=Protection;35273022]lol nazis[/QUOTE]
Get out of here you asshole.
Red scout shitting up a trans thread again? No suprise here.
[QUOTE=usaokay;35273605]It's his (or her) right to what she (or he) can decide what to do with her (or him, okay I'll stop this now) self. The state have no right to do so.[/QUOTE]
It's she and her, no real need to use brackets and swap from one to the other.
[QUOTE=Protection;35273022]lol nazis[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Internetianer;35273594]Get out of here you asshole.[/QUOTE]
But isn't it true? This is EXACTLY what the Nazis did to people who were "different".
Including, but not limited to: Transgendered, homosexuals, jews...
[QUOTE=Red scout?;35273496]Wasn't the original reason for the institutionalization that she was going to bloody kill himself?[/QUOTE]
That was never the reason. She was threatening to kill herself BECAUSE she was going to be institutionalized.
21st century my ass
I'm trying to suss out what the article is saying, but basically the Court of Appeal ruled that institutionalising Alex is a valid option because she spent too much time with her mother, which may be inducing her gender dysphoria, based on an analysis that completely ignored what Alex had to say?
thats kinda fucked up
[QUOTE=Triumph Forks;35273946]I'm trying to suss out what the article is saying, but basically the Court of Appeal ruled that institutionalising Alex is a valid option because she spent too much time with her mother, which may be inducing her gender dysphoria, based on an analysis that completely ignored what Alex had to say?
thats kinda fucked up[/QUOTE]
Kids have no say.
[QUOTE=Atlessa;35273684]But isn't it true? This is EXACTLY what the Nazis did to people who were "different".
Including, but not limited to: Transgendered, homosexuals, jews...[/QUOTE]
Err, I think you'll find that the Nazis just murdered them, so it's nowhere near "EXACTLY" what the Nazis did.
Either way, it's the childs right to make the decision, not a mum/dad legal battle, which is clearly detrimental to the childs wellbeing.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35273979]Kids have no say.[/QUOTE]
He is a wee bit too young to be making decisions like that. Kids make dumb decisions.
[nvm]
[QUOTE=Splendor;35274107]He is a wee bit too young to be making decisions like that. Kids make dumb decisions.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.webmd.com/sex/gender-identity-disorder[/url]
[url]http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/917990-overview[/url]
Educate yourself.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35273979]Kids have no say.[/QUOTE]
in whether deserting parents claims about their mental health are true? I think she has more of an idea than her dad, who went off and instigated this whole thing, really
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