Trump personally pushing GOP leaders to use tax bill to undermine Obamacare - Polidicks

[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/obamacare-mandate-could-still-be-repealed-in-gop-tax-bill-chairman-says/2017/11/03/efdf4e38-c0c3-11e7-8444-a0d4f04b89eb_story.html"]Trump personally pushing GOP leaders to use tax bill to undermine Obamacare[/URL] [QUOTE]House Republicans grappled Friday with the difficulty of turning their new tax plan into law, making a change that would make the proposal’s tax cuts for individuals less generous and entertaining a controversial proposal from President Trump to use the tax bill to repeal a central element of the Affordable Care Act. Republicans changed the tax overhaul, which was announced Thursday, to cut $81 billion from the tax breaks it would provide to individual taxpayers. The move was made as lawmakers realized their initial effort would run up against the $1.5 trillion in total borrowing over a decade that Congress had authorized to finance the tax cut plan. [B]Party leaders also took a preliminary step to study Trump’s proposal to include language in the tax bill that would scrap the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate, a change nonpartisan analysts say would save the government more than $400 billion over a decade but would also leave 15 million more Americans without health insurance.[/B] ... Republicans plan to save the $81 billion over a decade by changing the way the bill measures inflation, a shift that would move taxpayers into higher-tax brackets more quickly and probably hit middle-class taxpayers harder than the very wealthy. Undermining the Affordable Care Act through a tax overhaul, meanwhile, would probably draw the same type of opposition that earlier efforts did in the Senate, dooming several such attempts to repeal what some call Obamacare earlier this year. Many in Congress say such an effort would destroy Republicans’ chance of passing major legislation this year.[/QUOTE] :incredible:

Fifteen million people could lose their healthcare, and the GOP would celebrate it as a great success. They are enemies to everybody other than the ultrarich.

This should definitely be considered endangerment of the American people. I rarely feel physically sick, but these disconnected fucks and their shit show are doing it for me.

Gotta love how he’s holding up American laws faithfully, to the best of his ability. Really inspirational of him.

[quote]$1.5 trillion in total borrowing over a decade that Congress had authorized to finance the tax cut plan.[/quote] Yes, the GOP, the party of fiscal responsibility.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52857184]Fifteen million people could lose their healthcare, and the GOP would celebrate it as a great success. They are enemies to everybody other than the ultrarich.[/QUOTE] Quit spewing your gospel. Plenty of the middle class pays for their healthcare WITHOUT having to use Obamacare.

[QUOTE=RocketSnail;52857321]Quit spewing your gospel. Plenty of the middle class pays for their healthcare WITHOUT having to use Obamacare.[/QUOTE] And people who can't afford to pay should just keel over yeah?

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;52857331]And people who can't afford to pay should just keel over yeah?[/QUOTE] Obviously they'll find a way. All they have to do is stop being poor! /s

[QUOTE=RocketSnail;52857321]Quit spewing your gospel. Plenty of the middle class pays for their healthcare WITHOUT having to use Obamacare.[/QUOTE] And Plenty of the middle class goes bankrupt trying to afford rising medical bills. Also your avatar makes it seem like Trump is actually posting.

Not poor enough for Obamacare, not rich enough to pay for insurance :surrender:

[QUOTE=RocketSnail;52857321]Quit spewing your gospel. Plenty of the middle class pays for their healthcare WITHOUT having to use Obamacare.[/QUOTE] I don't think you realize just how many lower middle class people work for companies or business owners that don't have to provide insurance since they don't meet the criteria to have to. Or just how wealthy some of these owners are compared to the wages they give out. You get shafted if you make say, $4-6 more than minimum wage, and still are working 35-40hr/week. Cost of housing is absurd even in suburb areas, then add all the other bills and insurance's that up until recently had pretty shit coverage and stipulations. Then you have this: [QUOTE]Republicans plan to save the $81 billion over a decade by changing the way the bill measures inflation, a shift that would move taxpayers into higher-tax brackets more quickly and probably hit middle-class taxpayers harder than the very wealthy.[/QUOTE] How in the fuck is raising everyone up a tax bracket going to help the little spare income the middle or lower class is trying to save up, or maybe use for commodities, or upkeep of their well being and property? Especially if wages don't increase at all either?? The impact between the lower&middle class and upper class will be the difference of "I can't go get doctor bills, have to live on a shit diet, and god forbid my only car breaks down." to "Oh I guess I wont lease the newest BMW, Audi, etc in the next six months, but I can still have 3+ vacations."

[QUOTE=RocketSnail;52857321]Quit spewing your gospel. Plenty of the middle class pays for their healthcare WITHOUT having to use Obamacare.[/QUOTE] Other things the ACA did: Not allow you to be excluded from health insurance for a pre-existing condition. Fixes coverage so you aren't randomly fucked for getting a particular illness. Required companies to provide health insurance for normal employees. An assortment of other quality of life improvements. Birth control etc etc. There is no platform from which you can shit on the ACA. You can suggest it has some issues that need fixing, and be absolutely spot on, but those are things that everyone needs to work together to resolve, not leverage some bullshit workaround to chop off its knees. Subverting the system, as the right has taken great joy in doing, is a fantastic way to get into some serious shit. If people place faith in the system to resolve issues, and you subvert the system in order to go against the will of the people and the system, what options does that leave? You Marginalizes a literal majority of the population. This produces radicals who will take militant action. They will be absolutely justified in doing so.

The fact that the GOP can actually do something like this and still have a halfway decent chance to win the next election is incredible. There'll be GOP voters who get royally fucked by this, and they'll still go 'Thank you, daddy, may I have some more?'

[QUOTE=RocketSnail;52857321]Quit spewing your gospel. Plenty of the middle class pays for their healthcare WITHOUT having to use Obamacare.[/QUOTE] What kind of gospel is he spewing when 15 million people COULD lose their healthcare? Matter of fact he was bending over backwards for you. Congressional Budget Office found 22 million extra uninsured people in 10 years. And that premiums would rise 25% in a year, and double by 2026. And that the "15 million" figure would be the increase in uninsured people [I]next year alone[/I] [url]https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52849[/url] The only two possibilities for your post are: Either you're ignorant of the facts or you're immoral.

[QUOTE=RocketSnail;52857321]Quit spewing your gospel. Plenty of the middle class pays for their healthcare WITHOUT having to use Obamacare.[/QUOTE] How many people having access to healthcare is "plenty?" How many people [I]without[/I] healthcare is acceptable? In the first year alone, 15,000,000 more people would suddenly find themselves unable to afford basic healthcare services, with that figure climbing every year therafter. Think about that, and tell me that's perfectly fine in a first world society. Furthermore, I'd urge you to consider the fact that [I]right now[/I], [U]before[/U] gutting the affordability of our healthcare system, medical debt is still [I]the leading cause of bankruptcy[/I] in the United States. Hospital bills plummet more people into poverty than any other single cause in this country, right now. How would making that figure even worse than it already is be anything other than catastrophic?

[QUOTE=RocketSnail;52857321]Quit spewing your gospel. Plenty of the middle class pays for their healthcare WITHOUT having to use Obamacare.[/QUOTE] You'll change your tune soon enough. My father did after my brother got diagnosed with an incurable, life long, chronic illness caused by a point mutation inherited from him. I'm now also at a 30-fold risk of developing the same at some point during my lifetime. Suddenly that pre-existing condition aspect of the ACA seems pretty nice to him, despite railing on for years about how the ACA was the worst thing that ever happened to this country. I hope your family hasn't had to deal with as many medical crises as mine, but eventually some shit is going to happen to someone you care about, and you'll be thankful they're less likely to be completely financially ruined for something that wasn't their fault at all. That is unless the GOP gets what they've been pushing for.

[QUOTE=1legmidget;52857921]You'll change your tune soon enough. My father did after my brother got diagnosed with an incurable, life long, chronic illness caused by a point mutation inherited from him. I'm now also at a 30-fold risk of developing the same at some point during my lifetime. Suddenly that pre-existing condition aspect of the ACA seems pretty nice to him, despite railing on for years about how the ACA was the worst thing that ever happened to this country. I hope your family hasn't had to deal with as many medical crises as mine, but eventually some shit is going to happen to someone you care about, and you'll be thankful they're less likely to be completely financially ruined for something that wasn't their fault at all. That is unless the GOP gets what they've been pushing for.[/QUOTE] That's the sad truth of Republican philosophy. [I]Fuck you, I got mine.[/I] Republican economic policy is fundamentally selfish and ignorant. It's based on this concept that everything you have, [I]you deserve[/I] to have, and that people who don't have it obviously just don't deserve it. They were lazy, they were stupid, whatever. It's only once those who tout that shit begin to personally experience the hardships that everybody else in the country is facing that they start to realize just how bad it is to be near the bottom of the class ladder. When you're poor, [I]everything[/I] is stacked against you. It's not just about good planning and hard work. While those are important, you also need [I]luck[/I], and no small amount of it. While somebody squarely in the middle class views additional financial burden as an annoyance or an inconvenience, it can be [U]crushing[/U] to somebody who just doesn't have enough to spare to begin with. As a singular example, I can't control whether or not I get sick or injured, but if I lose my health insurance (which will happen if the individual mandate is repealed), then a visit to the hospital would financially ruin me. I may never be able to recover from it.

[QUOTE=RocketSnail;52857321]Quit spewing your gospel. Plenty of the middle class pays for their healthcare WITHOUT having to use Obamacare.[/QUOTE] The only decent healthcare I have access to is through the ACA. The ACA is useless without the individual mandate because that’s the only thing keeping prices stable. Calling out the GOP’s fuckery isn’t preaching gospel, it’s basic human decency. Take a hike man.

"GUYS! If we remove social security, medicare, medicaid, AND a dozen other federal programs, we can patch the federal deficit in 25 years if we allocate all the remaining funds to military spending!"

I'm more worried about them fucking with SS, the thing that my parents rely on to survive. They don't even make all that much.

[QUOTE=Richardroth;52860706]I'm more worried about them fucking with SS, the thing that my parents rely on to survive. They don't even make all that much.[/QUOTE] The GOP survives on the old vote. Take away social security and it'll be over. They'll do it eventually in the name of "fiscal responsibility" once it's totally underwater, but it will be a [i]serious[/i] crisis and they will have to pull out all the stops. I think in the long term they are trying to branch out and dig some roots into younger voters who happen to be hateful assholes in anticipation of the fact that the generation that supports them is dying off. It's pretty clear right now that they're pushing as hard as they possibly can with bullshit Twitter ads and the like to reach younger generations.