• AMD's Zen processors are coming before the end of the year, Polaris GPUs in mid-2016
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Really hope AMD is going to light a fire under Intel with the Zen CPUs. They'll have to cross several generations of performance jumps with just one product series, though.
Would it be fair to say that if this fails AMD is in a really shitty position?
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;49618349]Would it be fair to say that if this fails AMD is in a really shitty position?[/QUOTE] They should at least reach the single core performance of the second i7 gen (2000 series) Intel processors if they want to be relevant for high-end gaming rigs (with a bit of aggressive pricing). The jump in single core perf from the i7 2700K to i7 6700K is just 15%.
I would really love to see AMD make a comback in something. CPU or GPU. Their CPUs are pretty much super-budget material only, and never actually considered for anything high-end. The GPU quality after their merge with ATI has plummeted pretty hard. Drivers and my experience with 2-3 different RMAs on 3 different series of cards from AMD is enough to make me never purchase from them again, even despite the prices.
[QUOTE=Revenge282;49619373]I would really love to see AMD make a comback in something. CPU or GPU. Their CPUs are pretty much super-budget material only, and never actually considered for anything high-end. The GPU quality after their merge with ATI has plummeted pretty hard. Drivers and my experience with 2-3 different RMAs on 3 different series of cards from AMD is enough to make me never purchase from them again, even despite the prices.[/QUOTE] Unless you were getting reference design cards, the RMAs should really be blamed on the manufacturer, not AMD
The first round I had were reference cards. The second were not, but they had bad driver issues for a pretty good portion of their lifetime.
Hopefully they don't get fucked by Microsoft when it comes to fully utilization it's cores.
[QUOTE=Aide;49624318]Hopefully they don't get fucked by Microsoft when it comes to fully utilization it's cores.[/QUOTE] They never really got shafted to be honest. At least not to a degree that really matters. [editline]28th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=chunkymonkey;49618349]Would it be fair to say that if this fails AMD is in a really shitty position?[/QUOTE] If Zen fails to be competitive with Intel's offerings (on both performance and power) AMD might as well toss in the towel (or more likely pay back the debts it can and close its doors). AMD basically doesn't show up in the laptop market because of its power envelope (or at least that's part of it). Polaris needs to be a success as well, but it isn't as crucial as Zen.
Looks like it will all be coming out after I get a new job, great news. Idgaf if Zen is subpar, as long as it isn't shit and overclocks well I'm definitely making a Zen/Polaris rig this year even if it just ends up being a budget secondary system.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;49627117]They never really got shafted to be honest. At least not to a degree that really matters. [editline]28th January 2016[/editline] If Zen fails to be competitive with Intel's offerings (on both performance and power) AMD might as well toss in the towel (or more likely pay back the debts it can and close its doors). AMD basically doesn't show up in the laptop market because of its power envelope (or at least that's part of it). Polaris needs to be a success as well, but it isn't as crucial as Zen.[/QUOTE] Intel's been resting on the laurels for some time, and has been able to get away with things they wouldn't if there were any noticeable competition. So AMD giving up would be a downright disaster for the x86 cpu market.
if AMD gave up x86 market then Intel would probably be split up.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;49627900]if AMD gave up x86 market then Intel would probably be split up.[/QUOTE] Should've happened sooner TBH, that or been forced to give up x86 for fair use along with crucial patents. A duopoly sure is lovely.
[QUOTE=Van-man;49629601]Should've happened sooner TBH, that or been forced to give up x86 for fair use along with crucial patents. A duopoly sure is lovely.[/QUOTE] Even if x86 was given up for fair use, who the hell would come up as a competitor? That takes massive resources. The only holder of an x86 license besides AMD or Intel isn't even [I]trying[/I] to compete.
[QUOTE=Levelog;49629671]Even if x86 was given up for fair use, who the hell would come up as a competitor? That takes massive resources. The only holder of an x86 license besides AMD or Intel isn't even [I]trying[/I] to compete.[/QUOTE] Hence why "crucial patents". Also Via's license is a complete clusterfuck of legalese, no wonder they threw in the towel, along with how current patent system have tended to stifle innovation in the recent decades instead of promoting it.
[QUOTE=Van-man;49627230]Intel's been resting on the laurels for some time, and has been able to get away with things they wouldn't if there were any noticeable competition. So AMD giving up would be a downright disaster for the x86 cpu market.[/QUOTE] Sure, but AMD can't run without money.
[QUOTE=Van-man;49630054]Hence why "crucial patents". Also Via's license is a complete clusterfuck of legalese, no wonder they threw in the towel, along with how current patent system have tended to stifle innovation in the recent decades instead of promoting it.[/QUOTE] Unless you're talking about Intel giving up basically their full architecture and socket compatibility I still don't see it happening. It would take a huge investment and other manufacturer cooperation.
[QUOTE=Levelog;49633396]Unless you're talking about Intel giving up basically their full architecture and socket compatibility I still don't see it happening. It would take a huge investment and other manufacturer cooperation.[/QUOTE] Not going that far, rather just enough for other companies than AMD could get a foot in the door so they'd have a fighting chance at competing.
Intel would have to be split up and that is what would happen. It takes too many resources to start your own CPU designing and manufacturing plant.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;49639225]Intel would have to be split up and that is what would happen. It takes too many resources to start your own CPU designing and manufacturing plant.[/QUOTE] they bought altera, so who knows.
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