Gaping Plot-Holes In Popular Film: We think WAY too deep into this shit! - General

Watching Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. I believe the crew of the Enterprise may have initiated one hell of a predestination paradox. No, I'm not referring to Kirk's glasses (given to him as a birthday present from Doctor McCoy, later pawned in 1980's San Francisco, only to be re-purchased in the 23rd century by Doctor McCoy, given to Kirk as a birthday present, etc.), or the transparent aluminum paradox (used by Starfleet shipbuilders in the 23rd century, Scotty gives the formula to a 1980's scientist, who "invents" transparent aluminum, which ends up used by Starfleet shipbuilders in the 23rd century, etc.). . . . . .yes, in both cases, a predestination paradox exists. But the one I see is bigger, with more hard-hitting implications. In the 23rd century, an alien probe threatens Earth. It turns out to be an intelligence that visited Earth before the dawn of mankind, and made contact with humpback whales, which, at the time, were the most intelligent creatures on the planet. It returns to Earth millennia later, to contact the whales. Only, humpback whales have been extinct since the 21st century. It's unanswered communications have a devestating effect on the planet, and threaten to wipe out all life. Kirk and the crew go back in time to the 1980's, to retrieve two humpbacks (one being a pregnant female) to answer the probe's call, and hopefully repopulate the species in Earth's oceans. And they do just that. Here's where I believe the paradox lies: In the 1980's, humpbacks are already on the verge of extinction. Humpbacks born in captivity never survive. So Gracie (the female humpback) being pregnant is significant. She could give rise to a pod of whales that could tip the scales of survival in the species' favor. Kirk removes them from the timeline BEFORE Gracie can give birth. Meaning that the aforementioned pod doesn't exist in our time. Meaning fewer whales. Meaning that Kirk may have actually HASTENED the species' extinction. Perhaps humpbacks, without the intervention of Kirk, would have survived as a species on in to the 23rd century. Kirk's actions not only removed the two humpbacks from our timeline. . .they also removed any progeny that the two whales may have produced, and any progeny THEY would have produced, and so on. Yes, Kirk does save the two from a whaling vessel, it seems. But we cannot be certain that the vessel would have succeeded in killing the two whales. Perhaps only the male would have been killed, leaving the female to locate another pod, bear her young, and continue to propegate the species. In short, it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that, without Kirk's intervention, the species would have recovered from the brink of extinction, and would have been around in the 23rd century, to answer the probe's call, and negate any threat to the planet. Instead, we have Kirk (as usual) charging in blindly without thought, causing the extinction of an entire species, thereby setting events in motion AD INFINITUM, that require him to continue going back in time, making the same mistake over and over in an endless loop. AND THAT, KIRK, IS WHY THE TEMPORAL PRIME DIRECTIVE EXISTS. TO PROTECT THE TIMELINE FROM *YOU.* Asshole. So, how about it? Are you one of those anal-retentive types that sees a plot hole, causing you to completely dissect a movie? What have you found lately?

[B]Iron Man 3 [/B]- House. Party. Protocol. The fuck, Stark. [B]Enders Game [/B]- We have a fleet of less than 10 capital ships to fight off an alien armada of hundreds, yet somehow we could afford and had the technology to make a ship powerful enough to destroy an entire planet or half of a fleet in one shot. Right. [B]Transformers 2[/B]- The entire final sequence. 1) There's a massive battle near the Great Pyramids, but no tourists are seen anywhere. The Egyptian army never appears. In fact, the only living things other than the 'MURRICANS that are seen for the most part are natives in shitty houses! 2) The Americans mobilised (inexplicably fast might I add) and deployed a fucking naval expeditionary force in Egypt like its nothing, the political shitstorm doing that without permission would cause would be unreal 2b) [I]The Americans fucking destroy the pyramids with a railgun.[/I] 2b-ii) The American naval commander listens to any twat with a radio that tells him to shoot a classified superweapon, without asking for authorization from anyone, and with basically no delay 3) The entire world would have seen the massive battle between giant robots from outer space and the American military, yet there is nothing to suggest this at all, there's no international crisis from everybody going "what the fuck" mentioned in either this film or the next Yes. I had to sit through both of those movies.

At least Iron Man 3 was watchable. Good points.

Nobody was in the room to hear Charles Foster Kane whisper his final word

Gremlins multiply when wet. They came in contact with snow, which in theory should have melted on contact and thus caused them to multiply, but nothing happened. And it can't be that they need to be submerged for it to work as near the end [sp]Stripe merely dips a claw into the fountain and starts multiplying[/sp]. It happens to be a well known hole in the whole being of the Gremlins from the 1984 movie, let alone a plot hole.

why didn't they just fly to mordor on the giant eagles?

[QUOTE=DudeGuyKT;44513361]Nobody was in the room to hear Charles Foster Kane whisper his final word[/QUOTE] In the script there is.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44513720]why didn't they just fly to mordor on the giant eagles?[/QUOTE] People like to joke about this, but a giant eagle is pretty easy to spot.

like all of prometheus

I don't know much about the Star Trek lore, but in Star Trek 2009 when Nero's ship (the Narada I think is the name?) approaches Earth... heck, when it attacks Earth there's like... absolutely NO other Starfleet ships around. I mean where is Starfleet when that happens? Forced plot hole so that the events can occur as scripted? I would have expected something along the lines of an entire Starfleet armada showing up on the Narada's door asking Nero something like "[I]so, yeah, who the fuck are you and why are you attacking our planet?[/I]". But... nope, Nero's ship starts beaming the Earth and there's like complete nothingness on Earth's orbit, no patroling ships, no space station signaling Starfleet that something "kinda wrong" is going on. Or I just missed something in the movie that I just don't recall.

[QUOTE=Molokk;44513945]I don't know much about the Star Trek lore, but in Star Trek 2009 when Nero's ship (the Narada I think is the name?) approaches Earth... heck, when it attacks Earth there's like... absolutely NO other Starfleet ships around. I mean where is Starfleet when that happens? Forced plot hole so that the events can occur as scripted? I would have expected something along the lines of an entire Starfleet armada showing up on the Narada's door asking Nero something like "[I]so, yeah, who the fuck are you and why are you attacking our planet?[/I]". But... nope, Nero's ship starts beaming the Earth and there's like complete nothingness on Earth's orbit, no patroling ships, no space station signaling Starfleet that something "kinda wrong" is going on. Or I just missed something in the movie that I just don't recall.[/QUOTE] I haven't watched it in a while but isn't the bulk of the fleet destroyed during the first encounter at Vulcan or something?

Looper All of it is just what

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44513720]why didn't they just fly to mordor on the giant eagles?[/QUOTE] nazgul on fellbeasts and a giant eyeball on a tower

What reason did Ron have for being scared of dementors?

[QUOTE=Swiket;44514116]What reason did Ron have for being scared of dementors?[/QUOTE] they're fucking scary, that's why

[QUOTE=Swiket;44514116]What reason did Ron have for being scared of dementors?[/QUOTE] They're scary? Edit: Ninja'd

[QUOTE=Swiket;44514116]What reason did Ron have for being scared of dementors?[/QUOTE] If you know what dementors do, you'd be scared too. [editline]e[/editline] Dementors are also NINJAS IN DISGUISE! That's what you lot are.

All dementors do is suck out your soul. So again, why was Ron scared of them?

ninjas

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44513720]why didn't they just fly to mordor on the giant eagles?[/QUOTE] Actually in the book it's stated by Gandalf that the eagles are not a taxi service, and when they help the heroes of the books they aren't just doing it for the heroes sake. They're acting on their own accord, and also dispise Orks and know the threat they pose.

[QUOTE=Swiket;44514184]All dementors do is suck out your soul. So again, why was Ron scared of them?[/QUOTE] You've duped us all

[QUOTE=Swiket;44514116]What reason did Ron have for being scared of dementors?[/QUOTE] If something that looked like Death fucked a Ringwraith came flying at me, I'd probably shit myself.

If buzz doesnt think he's a toy why does he play dead when andy comes in?

[QUOTE=MedicWine;44515235]If buzz doesnt think he's a toy why does he play dead when andy comes in?[/QUOTE] I always took that as an inborn instinct that all toys just have. He probably isn't even aware of it when it happens. Later in the movie, Woody reveals himself to Sid because he makes a concious effort to do so, for the survival of the group of toys.

[QUOTE=MedicWine;44515235]If buzz doesnt think he's a toy why does he play dead when andy comes in?[/QUOTE] Same reason I play dead when a bear comes in. Bears are fuckin' huge! [editline]11th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=NuclearJesus;44515243]I always took that as an inborn instinct that all toys just have. He probably isn't even aware of it when it happens. Later in the movie, Woody reveals himself to Sid because he makes a concious effort to do so, for the survival of the group of toys.[/QUOTE] Or that. Probably more likely.

[QUOTE=Riller;44515256]Same reason I play dead when a bear comes in. Bears are fuckin' huge![/QUOTE] . . .is something that happens to you often, Riller?

[QUOTE=NuclearJesus;44515273]. . .is something that happens to you often, Riller?[/QUOTE] My mother-in-law is [I]really[/I] hairy.

[QUOTE=MedicWine;44515235]If buzz doesnt think he's a toy why does he play dead when andy comes in?[/QUOTE] You arrive in a new and unfamiliar place, someone mentions 'Andy is coming' and they all seem to panic and play dead. Why wouldn't you?

Pacific Rim has motion detectors so we instantly know when and how big the Kaiju coming out of the Rift are, it's the only place on Earth they're coming from and we can build machines that can fight down there. So why not build a couple of bigass cannons next to it to blast the fuckers as soon as they arrive? Hell, why not station all the Jaegers next to it instead of all along the coastal line? Speaking of PR, who the FUCK thought that 200 feet tall monsters that can easily kill the gigantic robots [i]built specifically to destroy them[/i] would be stopped [u][i]by a wall!?[/i][/u]

Whenever a person uploads something to the internet, it instantly goes viral. Happened within literally two seconds on the new captain america movie.