Supreme Court Strikes Down Most of Arizona's Anti-Illegal Immigration Law - Polidicks

[url]http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/06/us/scotus.immigration/index.html?pos=canon[/url] [quote] [I][B]Arizona v. United States[/B][/I] At a glance: Supreme Court decision on Arizona's immigration law The U.S. Supreme Court ruled largely in favor of the federal government in a case involving Arizona's immigration law (SB1070), striking down most of its key provisions. However, it upheld the most controversial provision involving police checks on people's immigration status while enforcing other laws.[/quote] [quote][B]Upheld[/B] The court let stand one of the most controversial parts of the bill -- a provision that lets police check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws if "reasonable suspicion" exists that the person is in the United States illegally.[/quote] [quote][B]Struck down[/B] The Supreme Court's 5-3 ruling struck down key parts of the Arizona law. Provisions struck down included: • Authorizing police to arrest immigrants without warrant where "probable cause" exists that they committed any public offense making them removable from the country. • Making it a state crime for "unauthorized immigrants" to fail to carry registration papers and other government identification. • Forbidding those not authorized for employment in the United States to apply, solicit or perform work. That would include immigrants standing in a parking lot who "gesture or nod" their willingness to be employed.[/quote] [img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/interactive/2012/06/us/scotus.immigration/img/court-vote.jpg[/img] The Court is releasing more opinions this morning, potentially the same sex marriage cases.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];41110989'][img]http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/interactive/2012/06/us/scotus.immigration/img/court-vote.jpg[/img] [/QUOTE] That last face.

[quote]The court let stand one of the most controversial parts of the bill -- a provision that lets police check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws if "[B]reasonable suspicion[/B]" exists that the person is in the United States illegally.[/quote] The problem with this is that if the guy just looked Mexican, the Arizona officers would probably construe that as "reasonable suspicion" for being illegal. In immigration proceedings, there's no such thing as a free public defender, and illegal immigrants obviously don't have the resources to hire a lawyer so in the end the provision is not as good as it attempts to sound.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;41112198]The problem with this is that if the guy just looked Mexican, the Arizona officers would probably construe that as "reasonable suspicion" for being illegal. In immigration proceedings, there's no such thing as a free public defender, and illegal immigrants obviously don't have the resources to hire a lawyer so in the end the provision is not as good as it attempts to sound.[/QUOTE] Legally, a non citizen must carry their identification with them at all times. If they are a citizen then it will be easy enough to provide a social security number/driver's license number/utility bill/etc. It isn't like you go directly to court after being suspected as an illegal immigrant.

[QUOTE=sgman91;41112945]Legally, a non citizen must carry their identification with them at all times. If they are a citizen then it will be easy enough to provide a social security number/driver's license number/utility bill/etc. It isn't like you go directly to court after being suspected as an illegal immigrant.[/QUOTE] Not anymore: [quote] Struck down.... Making it a state crime for "unauthorized immigrants" to fail to carry registration papers and other government identification[/quote]

Oh my God I wish I could see the look on that bitch Jan Brewer's face

[quote]The Supreme Court's 5-3 ruling struck down key parts of the Arizona law. Provisions struck down included: • Authorizing police to arrest immigrants without warrant where "probable cause" exists that they committed any public offense making them removable from the country. • Making it a state crime for "unauthorized immigrants" to fail to carry registration papers and other government identification. • Forbidding those not authorized for employment in the United States to apply, solicit or perform work. That would include immigrants standing in a parking lot who "gesture or nod" their willingness to be employed.[/quote] I don't see what's wrong with any of this ????????????? [editline]20th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Starpluck;41112198]The problem with this is that if the guy just looked Mexican, the Arizona officers would probably construe that as "reasonable suspicion" for being illegal. In immigration proceedings, there's no such thing as a free public defender, and illegal immigrants obviously don't have the resources to hire a lawyer so in the end the provision is not as good as it attempts to sound.[/QUOTE] if they are illegal immigrants then they are obviously guilty by definition and must be deported.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;41113943]I don't see what's wrong with any of this ????????????? [editline]20th June 2013[/editline] if they are illegal immigrants then they are obviously guilty by definition and must be deported.[/QUOTE] Then you don't understand profiling, inconsistent enforcement or unfair persecution. They let stand the demanding of papers during 'other law enforcement' but they can't just roll along and be like "BOY. WHERE YOUR PAPERS AT, BOY?" like some sort of Nazi Confederate parody film.

Glad this is gone, I know a lot of people in this state will cry out against this ruling though. Maybe if we are lucky, Sheriff Joe will have a heart attack when he sees it!

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;41114203]Then you don't understand profiling, inconsistent enforcement or unfair persecution.[/quote] "bawww it's not fair law enforcement is doing their job in hunting me when i'm in a country [B]illegally[/B]"

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;41114381]"bawww it's not fair law enforcement is doing their job in hunting me when i'm in a country [B]illegally[/B]"[/QUOTE] Who cares whether it's illegal or not? What matters is if the person will actually cause harm or not, and in most cases they don't.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;41114381]"bawww it's not fair law enforcement is doing their job in hunting me when i'm in a country [B]illegally[/B]"[/QUOTE] even criminals deserve to be treated as, I dunno, [I]human beings[/I]. You know, with lawyers and defense against the abuse of authority and shit.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;41113943]I don't see what's wrong with any of this ????????????? [editline]20th June 2013[/editline] if they are illegal immigrants then they are obviously guilty by definition and must be deported.[/QUOTE] i dunno man i don't think it's a good idea to make it able for police to arrest immigrants without warrants solely on probable cause?????????? i can see this resulting in a spike of immigrant arrests whether or not the arresting officer actually has probable cause?????????? this is the equivalent of saying 'it's okay to arrest these people if you think they did something wrong because they're immigrants'?????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[QUOTE=Patriarch;41114431]Who cares whether it's illegal or not? What matters is if the person will actually cause harm or not, and in most cases they don't.[/QUOTE] the line has to be drawn somewhere, where you say [I]this far, and no further[/I] in my perfect world this line is the US-mexico border, but apparently the phrase "border control" has come to have another, almost orwellian double-meaning

[QUOTE=Starpluck;41112198]The problem with this is that if the guy just looked Mexican, the Arizona officers would probably construe that as "reasonable suspicion" for being illegal. In immigration proceedings, there's no such thing as a free public defender, and illegal immigrants obviously don't have the resources to hire a lawyer so in the end the provision is not as good as it attempts to sound.[/QUOTE] the thing is that provision....has been federal law since ~1945, so arizona was well within their right to enact a law very similar to the federal law the law in states something to the effect of "if your in america and you are a forigner, you are required to have your papers on you at all times", so the police are well within their right to ask someone for their GC or Visa, its even stated when one obtains the documents, that it should be on you at all times

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;41114604]the line has to be drawn somewhere, where you say [I]this far, and no further[/I] in my perfect world this line is the US-mexico border, but apparently the phrase "border control" has come to have another, almost orwellian double-meaning[/QUOTE] Can't you go out in the middle of a field or sumthin' At-least the bullshit you're spewing out could be useful then.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;41114604]the line has to be drawn somewhere, where you say [I]this far, and no further[/I] in my perfect world this line is the US-mexico border, but apparently the phrase "border control" has come to have another, almost orwellian double-meaning[/QUOTE] Ugh, I hear you. That goddamn Obongo is just itching to let the fajita floodgates loose and drown us all in a mountain of Day-Glo ponchos and sloppy work ethic! I, for one, was HAPPY with Bush.

[QUOTE=_jesterk;41114808]Ugh, I hear you. That goddamn Obongo is just itching to let the fajita floodgates loose and drown us all in a mountain of Day-Glo ponchos and sloppy work ethic! I, for one, was HAPPY with Bush.[/QUOTE] If he's as wrong as the strawman you're mocking, it should be pretty easy to argue your side.

Not really! :v:

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;41114604]the line has to be drawn somewhere, where you say [I]this far, and no further[/I] in my perfect world this line is the US-mexico border, but apparently the phrase "border control" has come to have another, almost orwellian double-meaning[/QUOTE] Dain Bramage.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;41113943] if they are illegal immigrants then they are obviously guilty by definition and must be deported.[/QUOTE] Aw shit DBS what are you doing? We cant just go around arresting people for looking Mexican; whether they are here legally or not.

[QUOTE=DiscoMelon;41116203]Aw shit DBS what are you doing? We cant just go around arresting people for looking Mexican; whether they are here legally or not.[/QUOTE] If they're doing that, can't they also arrest people for being absolutely retarded?

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];41113124']Not anymore:[/QUOTE] Actually it is still illegal for a non citizen to be running around without their ID. Its federal law. They just tried to also make it state law.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;41113943]I don't see what's wrong with any of this ????????????? [editline]20th June 2013[/editline] if they are illegal immigrants then they are obviously guilty by definition and must be deported.[/QUOTE] While the first creates a massive double standard between citizens and non-citizens wether legal or illegal as far as criminal law and police dealings go, I have to agree that I don't really see a big issue with point 2 and 3. Though overall unnecessary legislation. It is already illegal to work without a work permit, as such it doesn't have to be illegal to only solicit it. As to the second point - honestly this is more of a US oddity I guess, since having an ID on you is legally required in very many European nations for citizens and non-citizens alike.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;41112198]The problem with this is that if the guy just looked Mexican, the Arizona officers would probably construe that as "reasonable suspicion" for being illegal. In immigration proceedings, there's no such thing as a free public defender, and illegal immigrants obviously don't have the resources to hire a lawyer so in the end the provision is not as good as it attempts to sound.[/QUOTE] It then proceeds to a court where the defense lawyer zealously defends his client in every way possible and asks why the officer had suspicion "He was black" The case is then thrown out, the officer reprimanded and likely sued in a civil suit

[QUOTE=Lolx0rz;41112044]That last face.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://puu.sh/3kxm3.png[/IMG]