• Thousands marching through London to protest against the decision to leave EU
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[QUOTE]Thousands of people are marching through London to protest against the referendum decision to leave the EU. Demonstrators at the "March for Europe" rally, which was organised on social media, are holding placards saying "Bremain" and "We Love EU". More than 46.5 million people voted in the referendum on 23 June, which resulted in the UK voting by 51.9% to 49.1% to withdraw from the EU. But critics said that those who lost the vote were "having a tantrum". [/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36692990"]Source[/URL]
[QUOTE]One user on Twitter accused the march of being "pathetic", adding: "Just people having a tantrum about the fact they didn't win."[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's the reason. I mean, ignoring all the lies, fearmongering, blind nationalism, xenophobia, and the fact that it was barely a majority that wanted out, this [I]is[/I] just a tantrum
[quote]One user on Twitter accused the march of being "pathetic", adding: "Just people having a tantrum about the fact they didn't win."[/quote] [quote]Others shared GIFs of toddlers having tantrums and compared them to those taking part.[/quote] Nice rhetoric. Good to see this has become a competition, rather than about serious, fundamental constitutional politics, and the economic stability of a country that has just clawed its way out of a recession. Also: [quote]He [Michael Gove] pledged to [B][U]leave the EU's single market[/U][/B], make public services "more human" and strengthen the United Kingdom, saying the country's "best days lie ahead".[/quote] Leave the single market? Really Michael? I'm sure our manufacturing sector can't wait to have to comply to all those new regulations that are going to have to be complied with. Let's not forget taxes and tariffs to add on top of that. I mean, why pay less and earn more money, when you can pay more and earn less money! [editline]...[/editline] Where are the Leave camp getting the idea that we're going to have the time and resources, when we leave the EU, to be able to negotiate all of our trade again? Where are we going to have the time to implement EU legislation as standalone UK legislation? Are they completely out of their minds??
[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;50633922]Leave the single market? Really Michael? I'm sure our manufacturing sector can't wait to have to comply to all those new regulations that are going to have to be complied with. Let's not forget taxes and tariffs to add on top of that. I mean, why pay less and earn more money, when you can pay more and earn less money![/QUOTE] Lol who cares about any of that. I mean, who even care what the [URL="https://youtu.be/GGgiGtJk7MA?t=1m2s"]experts and experienced[/URL] have to say. Taking back control is much better obviously
[QUOTE=gokiyono;50633941]Lol who cares about any of that. I mean, who even care what the [URL="https://youtu.be/GGgiGtJk7MA?t=1m2s"]experts and experienced[/URL] have to say. Taking back control is much better obviously[/QUOTE] We're [I]sick[/I] and [I]tired[/I] of being told what to do by all these so-called "experts". They and their fancy degrees can fuck right off, we don't need them to tell us what to think, we can think for ourselves! Power to the people!
[QUOTE=gokiyono;50633915]Yeah, that's the reason. I mean, ignoring all the lies, fearmongering, blind nationalism, xenophobia, and the fact that it was barely a majority that wanted out, this [I]is[/I] just a tantrum[/QUOTE] While I agree with that, they won't listen because it would be going against a democratic decision made by the country. I honestly, although I disagree with leave the EU I wouldn't want another referendum.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50633969]We're [I]sick[/I] and [I]tired[/I] of being told what to do by all these so-called "experts". They and their fancy degrees can fuck right off, we don't need them to tell us what to think, we can think for ourselves! Power to the people![/QUOTE] poe's law :ohno:
[QUOTE=Piciul;50633991]poe's law :ohno:[/QUOTE] He's joking.
Good for them for protesting. I mean, its fucking pointless, but good on them. If they had something to protest that is. Overturning a referendum is not on the cards for any democratic country.
[QUOTE=DeepInferno;50633985]While I agree with that, they won't listen because it would be going against a democratic decision made by the country. I honestly, [B]although I disagree with leave the EU I wouldn't want another referendum[/B].[/QUOTE] Well then we won't have one. It'd be much better in my opinion if we had another general election considering the absolute shitshow going on with leadership right now. A party elected with the promise to remain would also have a mandate to ignore the referendum result. Despite what stupid people say on Twitter, I think the majority of the population don't want to actually leave. That's why the conservatives are scrambling around trying to find someone who does want to commit to invoking article 50. The lies have been exposed, and I think this experience has been nothing but negative. Even conservative voters are annoyed now that Cameron's gone, so why don't we see who can be elected, and let that decide the UK's future, since a lot has changed since the referendum.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50634134]Overturning a referendum is not on the cards for any democratic country.[/QUOTE] Depends on the nature of the referendum, really. The Brexit ref was non-binding so it'd be perfectly fine and legal to ignore the results. It being a good idea is a different story tho.
[QUOTE=Menien Goneld;50634180]Well then we won't have one. It'd be much better in my opinion if we had another general election considering the absolute shitshow going on with leadership right now. A party elected with the promise to remain would also have a mandate to ignore the referendum result. Despite what stupid people say on Twitter, I think the majority of the population don't want to actually leave. That's why the conservatives are scrambling around trying to find someone who does want to commit to invoking article 50. The lies have been exposed, and I think this experience has been nothing but negative. Even conservative voters are annoyed now that Cameron's gone, so why don't we see who can be elected, and let that decide the UK's future, since a lot has changed since the referendum.[/QUOTE] Any party that goes ahead, and defies the the referendum because "I think the majority of the population don't want to actually leave.", yet polling suggests 2:1 that people don't want a second one, because they already know this is a done deal. They know if a party used an election to pull something like that, democracy will be dead in the UK. No one wants to actually press the button for Article 50, but someone will eventually, theres no alternative or way out of it. The damage has been done, the trade deals are lining up, its full on now. Can't stop this train. [QUOTE=DVH;50634199]Depends on the nature of the referendum, really. The Brexit ref was non-binding so it'd be perfectly fine and legal to ignore the results. It being a good idea is a different story tho.[/QUOTE] That's the issue, binding or not, overturning brings in a world of hurt.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50634208]Any party that goes ahead, and defies the the referendum because "I think the majority of the population don't want to actually leave.", yet polling suggests 2:1 that people don't want a second one, because they already know this is a done deal. They know if a party used an election to pull something like that, democracy will be dead in the UK. No one wants to actually press the button for Article 50, but someone will eventually, theres no alternative or way out of it. The damage has been done, the trade deals are lining up, its full on now. Can't stop this train. That's the issue, binding or not, overturning brings in a world of hurt.[/QUOTE] hey you know what else brings a world of hurt? leaving the EU
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50634221]hey you know what else brings a world of hurt? leaving the EU[/QUOTE] At least the EU has a leaving article. Ignoring a referendum is on a completely different level.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50634236]At least the EU has a leaving article. Ignoring a referendum is on a completely different level.[/QUOTE] Not really. Plenty of governments have ignored referendums or held a second one before, usually because the people voted in a way that is highly detrimental to the future of the country. On the other hand, no one has ever tried to leave the EU before.
[QUOTE=DeepInferno;50633985]While I agree with that, they won't listen because it would be going against a democratic decision made by the country. I honestly, although I disagree with leave the EU I wouldn't want another referendum.[/QUOTE] Except everyone in the goverment knows that this vote was carried out by an angry and scared population who have not had their voice listned to for the past 8 years, that the people have had their fears exploited by someone who played a hillariously superior hearts and minds campaign which the remain camp should understand by now. This was not an EU vote, it was an Anti Austerity vote which was hijacked, many pro leave realise this now and understand that they've been used. I myself know a fair few leave voters who've jumped [I]ship[/I] as it were and hell some of them actually joined this protest today because they've realised the Tories are the Issue. It's not just sour grapes. The goverment is accountable, they need to fucking own up and admit it if they want to save the country, but they won't because regardless of what happens the people in goverment will be safe. Tinfoil hat time! So we'll come out of the EU, taxes will be raised, people will get even more disenfranchised, scared and angry than they already are, then in a few years we'll have riots and violence in the streets again only unlike 2011 i don't see it stopping.
[QUOTE=DVH;50634199]Depends on the nature of the referendum, really. The Brexit ref was non-binding so it'd be perfectly fine and legal to ignore the results. It being a good idea is a different story tho.[/QUOTE] This is a country mind you that not so long ago ignored the will of the people and invaded a country. Ignoring this would be a drop in the ocean compared to that to be honest.
Best thing you can do is write to your MP. I've got an email sitting ready to be sent off, which I just need to have a look over. It'll be a good idea to address concerns now, by taking part in the political process, rather than when/if Article 50 is invoked.
[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;50634293]Best thing you can do is write to your MP. I've got an email sitting ready to be sent off, which I just need to have a look over. It'll be a good idea to address concerns now, by taking part in the political process, rather than when/if Article 50 is invoked.[/QUOTE] I wrote to my MP but since he voted against same-sex marriage and the Equal Pay bill, advanced a PMB to make abortion a criminal offence, and is part of the Freedom Association, somehow I don't think he'll write back.
Regardless of Article 50 going ahead, I hope they clear out the government in the election.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50634264]On the other hand, no one has ever tried to leave the EU before.[/QUOTE] Greenland and Algeria did though
[QUOTE=gokiyono;50634359]Greenland and Algeria did though[/QUOTE] Not really the same though is it? I dunno about Algeria but the situation with Greenland was very different.
I still can't believe something as monumental was put up to a simple majority vote, it should have been a 2/3rds vote because the results were pretty much inconclusive with 49-51
[QUOTE=Sableye;50634404]I still can't believe something as monumental was put up to a simple majority vote, it should have been a 2/3rds vote because the results were pretty much inconclusive with 49-51[/QUOTE] Well we know for next time to set proper rules surrounding the percentages. This isn't just one of those times.
A march against democracy. But if a higher percentage of young people had bothered to vote, maybe they would have won the vote.
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;50634468]A march against democracy. But if a higher percentage of young people had bothered to vote, maybe they would have won the vote.[/QUOTE] This attitude makes me angry. Scotland is being taken out of the EU when a majority voted against it. How is that democracy?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50634551]This attitude makes me angry. Scotland is being taken out of the EU when a majority voted against it. How is that democracy?[/QUOTE] Because a majority of Scotland voted to remain in the UK two years ago. Now they're feeling the consequences.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;50634562]Because a majority of Scotland voted to remain in the UK two years ago. Now they're feeling the consequences.[/QUOTE] Yeah, they voted to be in the UK, not be out the EU
[QUOTE=Cufflux;50634086]He's joking.[/QUOTE] you should look up what poe's law is
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;50634569]Yeah, they voted to be in the UK, not be out the EU[/QUOTE] And guess what? The UK voted to leave the EU. You can't vote to remain in a Union then complain about that Union when it doesn't go your way. If it's so bad, have a new referendum on Independence since apparently the Union isn't working out for you guys, and there's nothing to lose now since Scotland is getting kicked out of the E.U. independent or not.
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