[b]Thread music:[/b]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8anqUfm0E[/media]
Source: [url]http://gizmodo.com/5429623/very-bad-news-iran-now-has-solid+fuel-missiles#comments[/url]
[quote]This is really scary news: Iran has successfully tested their Sajjil-2 yesterday. Why is this really scary? Because it is a two-stage solid fuel missile, which represents a giant leap in reaching the continental United States. Here's how:
Iran already has the Shahab-​​3, which is capable of reaching Israel and parts of Europe, like the Sajjil-2. But the Shahab-3 uses liquid fuel, which means two things: First, they have to be fueled before launch, something that can be detected by spy satellites, so potential targets can take appropriate countermeasures. Second, the liquid fuel is highly corrosive, greatly affecting the accuracy of the missile by destabilizing it.
The Sajjil-2—which is designed to be a weapon payload carrier, not a peaceful space rocket—uses the same kind of solid fuel technology that the United States uses in the Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile. That means that they can be perfectly accurate, like the Minuteman III is. But more importantly, these missiles can be safely stored and launched with no preparation or warning. Click the big red button, and the birds are on their way one second later.
The new Iranian missile is only a two-stage rocket. That means that they can launch one right now to Israel or Europe, with no warning whatsoever. It also means that, if they add a third stage, they would be able to use these missiles to reach any part of the world, from San Francisco, California, to London, United Kingdom, to New York, New York, that little town blue.
Hello Cold War 2, we didn't really miss you.[/quote]
Seriously Iran, seriously?
Why are you such bitches, how do you think that this would end?
This is like that Kim Jong-Il episode all over again. Let's see just how far we can go before the whole world gets mad at us.
I still think we should launch nukes.
[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;19033836]This is like that Kim Jong-Il episode all over again. Let's see just how far we can go before the whole world gets mad at us.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe we can turn them against each other and watch the problem take care of itself... Hmmm...
[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;19033836]This is like that Kim Jong-Il episode all over again. Let's see just how far we can go before the whole world gets mad [b]at us.[/b][/QUOTE]
:raise:
What the fuck, man?
[QUOTE=TheMetalMan;19033780]Source: [url]http://gizmodo.com/5429623/very-bad-news-iran-now-has-solid+fuel-missiles#comments[/url]
Seriously Iran, seriously?
Why are you such bitches, how do you think that this would end?[/QUOTE]
Well if you were a country's leader who doesn't seem to have majority support (riots etc) and USA is banging on your door you're probably going to act quite defensively, I doubt for better or worse President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wants to give up power at all. Especailly considering Iran has 10% of the worlds oil and what happened in Iraq.
Shit. For the first time I am actually slightly worried. Up to now no country has ever produced something capable of hitting my country (the UK); North Korea for example can't even produce anything reliable. However, this looks like it could develope into something nasty.
This shit just got real.
Yet more political instability in the Middle East.
I'm not terribly worried, tho. It wasn't long ago the USAF successfully shot down a missile with a laser mounted in a Boeing 747-400. By the time Iran perfects the missile, adds a third stage, perfects that, creates a warhead, perfects that, ducktapes the whole thing together and sends one postmarked Washington, DC, we'll have a fleet of large aircraft that can shoot the thing down before it even makes it out of Iranian airspace, flying safely above the Atlantic Ocean somewhere.
Not only that, but something tells me Iran won't be aiming for the US anyways. Atleast not if our leaders keep their calm. They have closer targets to hit, targets they could easily hit now if they threw some conventional warheads in and lit a few fuses. So, for some parts of the world anyways, the danger did just jump.
IMO, Europe is in the same boat the US is in. Iran is likely much more interested in Iraq and Israel than they are anyone in Europe or North America. That is, of course, contingent on our leaders not shitting bricks and sending in everything they have.
Making a warhead isn't exactly easy, either, the entire world will know if Iran starts brewing them. I'm sure this will make the Pentagon start yelling at the guys designing the afore-mentioned 747 mounted anti-missile laser to get their asses in gear and perfect it.
[quote]Why is this really scary? Because it is a two-stage solid fuel missile, which represents a giant leap in reaching the continental United States.[/quote]
Even though Iran's been trying to wipe Isreal off the earth for the last god knows how many years.
Yeah I don't think Iran is aiming for the US as much as it's aiming for Israel.
nuke them while were still alive!!!!!
On the bright side, all we need is for the government to build some bunkers and I can don a jumpsuit with the numbers '101' on the back and start calling myself the 'vault dweller'.
[QUOTE=TestECull;19034230]Yet more political instability in the Middle East.
I'm not terribly worried, tho. It wasn't long ago the USAF successfully shot down a missile with a laser mounted in a Boeing 747-400. By the time Iran perfects the missile, adds a third stage, perfects that, creates a warhead, perfects that, ducktapes the whole thing together and sends one postmarked Washington, DC, we'll have a fleet of large aircraft that can shoot the thing down before it even makes it out of Iranian airspace, flying safely above the Atlantic Ocean somewhere.
Not only that, but something tells me Iran won't be aiming for the US anyways. Atleast not if our leaders keep their calm. They have closer targets to hit, targets they could easily hit now if they threw some conventional warheads in and lit a few fuses. So, for some parts of the world anyways, the danger did just jump.
IMO, Europe is in the same boat the US is in. Iran is likely much more interested in Iraq and Israel than they are anyone in Europe or North America. That is, of course, contingent on our leaders not shitting bricks and sending in everything they have.
Making a warhead isn't exactly easy, either, the entire world will know if Iran starts brewing them. I'm sure this will make the Pentagon start yelling at the guys designing the afore-mentioned 747 mounted anti-missile laser to get their asses in gear and perfect it.[/QUOTE]
Remember that Obama is making massive cuts to the military which stands a good chance of killing any anti missile technology we're developing or have already developed. And also remember Obama is with the people who don't believe reliable anti-missile technology is possible.
Iran will be aiming at Israel, and unlike the Soviets during the Cold War, they are fully willing to launch those nukes. And it may end up being a question of not if, but when they launch them. As much as we can say Israel shouldn't exist in the first place, absolutely nothing you say can justify a genocide in that region, especially an atomic one.
If Iran also develops or obtain long range missiles they may aim at targets in Europe and practically hold Europe hostage. And unlike North Korea, who is mostly staying to themselves, Iran will be much more agressive.
This will probably end up like the Cuban Missile Crisis...
Ah, such a great milestone in American history. But, still, what makes us think they're pointing them at us?
Could be pointing them anywhere. Still a scary thought, either way.
For some reasons I am hoping they launch it at US.
-sarcasm, k?
[QUOTE=johanz;19034843]For some reasons I am hoping they launch it at US.[/QUOTE]
Sure, nowhere near where I am, please.
Israel will be fucking pissed.
[editline]07:29PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=johanz;19034843]For some reasons I am hoping they launch it at US.[/QUOTE]
Best be trolling
[QUOTE=Pascall;19033923]Or maybe we can turn them against each other and watch the problem take care of itself... Hmmm...[/QUOTE]
Because that wouldn't cause millions of innocent deaths or anything...
[QUOTE=Ibutsu;19034939]Because that wouldn't cause millions of innocent deaths or anything...[/QUOTE]
I see your joke detector is broken.
[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;19034763]Remember that Obama is making massive cuts to the military which stands a good chance of killing any anti missile technology we're developing or have already developed.[/QUOTE]
You are aware the majority of our military budget is public right
until you can site some figures that we're cutting the good antimissile stuff, don't assume we are
[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;19034763]And also remember Obama is with the people who don't believe reliable anti-missile technology is possible.[/QUOTE]
Like the majority of physicists, engineers, and weapons designers.
Missile interception is an epic clusterfuck, like trying to shoot down a spread of shotgun pellets with another shotgun. As far as stuff that actually might work one day, we're still doing the MIRV and solid state laser stuff so I'm not entirely sure why you're concerned.
[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;19034763]Iran will be aiming at Israel, and unlike the Soviets during the Cold War, they are fully willing to launch those nukes.[/QUOTE]
Ahmadinejad is already on thin ice with his own populace.
You think he hasn't learned from the U.S. invading Iraq? He knows damn well too much bullshit would get him invaded and knocked off, regardless of whether or not we currently had a liberal president.
I mean, Christ, Iran threatens a nuke launch, I'm willing to bet the brits and israelis would take action with or without us.
[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;19034763]If Iran also develops or obtain long range missiles they may aim at targets in Europe and practically hold Europe hostage. And unlike North Korea, who is mostly staying to themselves, Iran will be much more agressive.[/QUOTE]
You clearly don't understand how nukes work.
European countries have nukes. Proper, sophisticated nukes. Some of those countries are on good terms with the U.S. The U.S. has nukes. Some of those countries are on good terms with Russia. Russia has nukes.
"Hurr durr imma point a missile at France" is equivalent to saying "Could every first world country on the planet please point every missile they had at us, hit us with surgical strikes to disable ours, and assassinate me? Kthx."
[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;19034763]Remember that Obama is making massive cuts to the military which stands a good chance of killing any anti missile technology we're developing or have already developed. And also remember Obama is with the people who don't believe reliable anti-missile technology is possible.
Iran will be aiming at Israel, and unlike the Soviets during the Cold War, they are fully willing to launch those nukes. And it may end up being a question of not if, but when they launch them. As much as we can say Israel shouldn't exist in the first place, absolutely nothing you say can justify a genocide in that region, especially an atomic one.
If Iran also develops or obtain long range missiles they may aim at targets in Europe and practically hold Europe hostage. And unlike North Korea, who is mostly staying to themselves, Iran will be much more agressive.[/QUOTE]
Iran may be asshats of the highest order,but it would be unfair to assume they are idiots too. MAD still applies here. Israel and Europe both have the bomb and the support of the US and to an exntent Russia.
If Iran fires a nuke then the whole world will end up like Fallout 3.
I don't know what they think they're doing, if they do go crazy shit and develop/launch a nuke, what do they think will happen? America's not going to go "oh hey here's money", they'll probably just end up blowing the absolute hell out of Iran.
[QUOTE=Killoch0;19035129]Iran may be asshats of the highest order,but it would be unfair to assume they are idiots too. MAD still applies here. Israel and Europe both have the bomb and the support of the US and to an exntent Russia.[/QUOTE]
That's true. Iran would have to be suicidal to launch anything at the US/UK/France. It's not exactly like Iran can touch our nuclear weapons either so they wouldn't be able to do much about stopping us.
On the other hand, this is Iran we are talking about. They do seem to have a few screws loose.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;19035078]You are aware the majority of our military budget is public right
until you can site some figures that we're cutting the good antimissile stuff, don't assume we are
Like the majority of physicists, engineers, and weapons designers.
Missile interception is an epic clusterfuck, like trying to shoot down a spread of shotgun pellets with another shotgun. As far as stuff that actually might work one day, we're still doing the MIRV and solid state laser stuff so I'm not entirely sure why you're concerned.
Ahmadinejad is already on thin ice with his own populace.
You think he hasn't learned from the U.S. invading Iraq? He knows damn well too much bullshit would get him invaded and knocked off, regardless of whether or not we currently had a liberal president.
I mean, Christ, Iran threatens a nuke launch, I'm willing to bet the brits and israelis would take action with or without us.
You clearly don't understand how nukes work.
European countries have nukes. Proper, sophisticated nukes. Some of those countries are on good terms with the U.S. The U.S. has nukes. Some of those countries are on good terms with Russia. Russia has nukes.
"Hurr durr imma point a missile at France" is equivalent to saying "Could every first world country on the planet please point every missile they had at us, hit us with surgical strikes to disable ours, and assassinate me? Kthx."[/QUOTE]
This is a wise man. Listen to him.
[QUOTE=David29;19034428]On the bright side, all we need is for the government to build some bunkers and I can don a jumpsuit with the numbers '101' on the back and start calling myself the 'vault dweller'.[/QUOTE]
Ditto on the bunkers part, but.... here's a clock. Sorry. :sympathy:
[QUOTE=David29;19034428]On the bright side, all we need is for the government to build some bunkers and I can don a jumpsuit with the numbers '101' on the back and start calling myself the 'vault dweller'.[/QUOTE]
Vault-Tec built the vaults, not the U.S. Government.
Know your Fallout :eng101:
I'm not worried at all. If Iran try to pull anything, they will get fucked over in about 2 seconds.
[QUOTE=Cutts;19035429]I'm not worried at all. If Iran try to pull anything, they will get fucked over in about 2 seconds.[/QUOTE]
Yah because we totally have the technology to send lightning speed missiles hrrr
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.
