Fox reporter defends video game violence; new world record set for number of jaws dropped - Polidicks

[video=youtube;gk_-ABE5iXM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk_-ABE5iXM[/video] [QUOTE]Franklin Graham, son of Billy Graham and current head of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, went on the John Stossel Show on Fox Buisness to tell why he thinks violent games are abhorrent and deserve to be taxed. Stossel, confused, struggled to understand the logic behind Graham's argument.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://kotaku.com/watch-a-fox-reporter-demolish-a-hackneyed-anti-game-arg-535096517[/URL]

"This game has blood on it, let's make them pay more money!" Can't we just give it an optional content lock and get it over with?

Damn, didn't expect to see that, it was actually a fair debate. He pretty much demolished all his arguments too. I hope to see more of this.

Excellent start for an argument "Why do you think he's right?" "Well, first of all John... [b]God[/b] understands violence" shut the video off right there

Nailed to a tree? Isn't that some Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy description? Edit [QUOTE]And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change, a girl sitting on her own in a small café in Rickmansworth suddenly realized what it was that had been going wrong all this time, and she finally knew how the world could be made a good and happy place. This time it was right, it would work, and no one would have to get nailed to anything.[/QUOTE] hahaha indeed it was Also I don't know too much about John Stossel but from the little I've seen he seems like probably one of the most respectable people on Fox News.

Someones gonna get fired.

[QUOTE=Whiplash~;41151976]Excellent start for an argument "Why do you think he's right?" "Well, first of all John... [B]God[/B] understands violence" shut the video off right there[/QUOTE] Paraphrased: "America is glorifying violence, like the Romans!" What I don't understand here is that the Romans became less and less violent over time as christianity became more widespread and [I]then[/I] started losing chunks of territory to internal strife, petty power struggles and a failing economy. By this logic, glorifying violence is a good thing because the Romans were better off when they were conquering people everywhere and having a golden age after three civil wars

I love how at 2:36 you can see Stossel just sigh and look away.

[QUOTE=Whiplash~;41151976]Excellent start for an argument "Why do you think he's right?" "Well, first of all John... [b]God[/b] understands violence" shut the video off right there[/QUOTE]Probably started it like that to win over the Christian viewers immediately.

All for the money. Good job on Fox, though they'll be saying video games cause the hunger in Africa tomorrow.

Oh my god I hate people like this. How can people not make the connection that the growth of "murder simulators" correlates to a persistent drop in actual violence? We can't declare causation quite yet, but the generation of people who grew up playing video games seem to be committing far fewer crimes than the generation who preceded them. The claim of an "epidemic" of violence is completely media-driven, all the real statistics show the absolute opposite. Yes, we should continue trying to minimize those numbers, but crime and shootings were WAY worse in the 1980s (during the Reagan utopia that people like Graham idolize) than they are now.

"We need god's help" Yep lets just pray those troubled violent people away. Glad the reporter brought the comic book thing into it, that's always been a primary example of how people just want to blame the newest forms of entertainment for violence committed by younger people.

Holy hell. Props to the news reporter. I've played games for most of my life, even growing up playing violent video games. Hell, I watched movies like Devils Rejects when it first came out, and I was around 12 years old. I also had access to weapons that could kill a lot of people, BUT. Did I EVER do that? No, because I knew the difference. I knew that it wouldn't be right to act out my 'violent' video games or movies. It's the ill-minded people that think otherwise, and they should be looking into THAT, instead of this video game bullcrap.

[QUOTE=IceyMalone;41151964]"This game has blood on it, let's make them pay more money!" [B][I]Can't we just give it an optional content lock and get it over with?[/I][/B][/QUOTE] That was actually how it once were handled back in the 90's/ early 2000'ish. Though Brütal Legend has it too.

Rarely did I think of murder being the incentive part of video games. Most of the time what brings happiness while playing is the sense of accomplishment you get when fulfilling certain objectives. For instance, achieving a non-lethal playthrough in a Deus Ex game is much more satisfying than go through the whole story guns blazing, killing everyone you meet. Even in games where the main objective is killing, what makes them good have nothing to do with the amount of killing you can do in it. Ever heard of a game critic praising a video-game because of the amount of maiming you can do in it ? Just yesterday, I played some Quake III Arena in LAN with some friends, and while hundreds of virtual murders were committed that night, I don't feel any animosity towards them, on the contrary it was a great evening. Video game violence is merely a setting to the gameplay and story of a game, which are its main purposes. People don't play them like "murder simulators" because that's not what they are looking for in a videogame.

first that blonde reporter getting into a fight with lou dobbs over sexist remarks, now this. strange times for fox news

Great reporter.

[QUOTE=IceyMalone;41151964]"This game has blood on it, let's make them pay more money!" Can't we just give it an optional content lock and get it over with?[/QUOTE] Devs stopped doing that when the ratings boards started to just decide to base their ratings off the more extreme content regardless if it's optional or hidden. For example you might have a game which is about hitting a pinata and getting candy but you decide to throw in an adult based level where hitting it causes blood and gore to go everywhere. The board would rate the game as an 16/18+ instead of 8+ because of that content, even if it's an optional toggle. Wider approval ranges mean more money to publishers so they push devs to either go one way or the other with their games now. Not like anyone actually gives a flying fuck other than a few stores about the age limits.

Stossel's a bro anyways

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;41152195]Stossel's a bro anyways[/QUOTE] I've actually met him before, he really is. Was polite and friendly and all that.

men with mustaches like that can do no wrong

First, I agreed with Sarah Palin and now I'm agreeing with FOX News? WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO?!

[QUOTE=Cone;41152310]men with mustaches like that can do no wrong[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/S/Joseph-Stalin-9491723-1-402.jpg[/img] You sure about that?

[QUOTE=Simski;41152393][img]http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/S/Joseph-Stalin-9491723-1-402.jpg[/img] You sure about that?[/QUOTE] His 'stache got that [I]"evil genius"[/I] curls at the outer edges.

[QUOTE=Whiplash~;41151976]Excellent start for an argument "Why do you think he's right?" "Well, first of all John... [b]God[/b] understands violence" shut the video off right there[/QUOTE] What gets me is how it's an argument against anything. God [I]understands[/I] violence? That sounds like how highschool guidance counselors imply they don't give a damn about who's having mass orgies or smoking pot ("I [I]understand[/I] the urge to experiment while you're young..."). God isn't opposed to it at all, he just wants certain motherfuckers who don't get the hint to stop snitching while he's "understanding" lines of cocaine off his girlfriend. [QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;41152082]The claim of an "epidemic" of violence is completely media-driven, all the real statistics show the absolute opposite. Yes, we should continue trying to minimize those numbers, but crime and shootings were WAY worse in the 1980s (during the Reagan utopia that people like Graham idolize) than they are now.[/QUOTE] Well yeah, that's the joke. The national handgun violence rates went up by like 5k extra per year between the rise of Reagan and the fall of Herbie Bush and then fell back to slightly below 1970s levels afterwards, so clearly what we need to ban is anything related to the Reaganites.

I started playing Doom 98 when I was 5 I'm the least violent person I know.

This isn't surprising as John Stossel is clearly a Libertarian. It's not like all people on Fox is angry social conservatives, although most of them is on Fox News. Fox bussiness is a decent channel tho. [MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWfeZv1-LbI[/MEDIA]

[QUOTE=Virtanen;41152499]I started playing Doom 98 when I was 5 I'm the least violent person I know.[/QUOTE] You killed everyone else didn't you

Good of Tom Selleck to defend videogames there

Japan's so safe, you could sleep on a park bench overnight and wake up intact.