• ICC says Muammar Gaddafi killing may be war crime
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[release] [B]The death of Libya's former leader Muammar Gaddafi "creates suspicions" of war crimes, says the chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court.[/B] Luis Moreno-Ocampo said the ICC was raising the concern with Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC). Col Gaddafi was killed on 20 October after being caught by rebels in his home town of Sirte. NTC officials initially said he died in crossfire, but promised to investigate following Western pressure. "I think the way in which Mr Gaddafi was killed creates suspicions of... war crimes," Mr Moreno-Ocampo told reporters. "I think that's a very important issue. We are raising this concern to the national authorities and they are preparing a plan to have a comprehensive strategy to investigate all these crimes." Rebel fighters found Col Gaddafi hiding in a concrete drainage pipe after a long and bloody siege of the former leader's home city of Sirte. [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16212133#story_continues_2"]Continue reading the main story[/URL][h=2]Uprising timeline[/h][B]Feb 2011[/B]: Arrest of human rights campaigner sparks violent protests in eastern city of Benghazi that rapidly spread to other cities. [B]March 2011:[/B] UN Security Council authorises a no-fly zone over Libya and air strikes to protect civilians, over which Nato assumes command [B]May 2011[/B]: International Criminal Court seeks arrest of Gaddafi for crimes against humanity [B]Aug 2011[/B]: Rebels swarm into Col Gaddafi's fortress compound in Tripoli and he goes into hiding [B]Oct 2011[/B]: Col Gaddafi is killed and three days later rebels declare Libya officially "liberated [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15390980"]Muammar Gaddafi: How he died[/URL] [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15889840"]'I spoke to Gaddafi before he died'[/URL] [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15516678"]'He died an angry and disappointed man'[/URL] He had gone into hiding in August, six months after the Libyan uprising began and five months after Nato intervened in the conflict. Amateur videos taken at the time of his capture showed him injured but alive, surrounded by a frenzied crowd of jubilant rebel fighters. He is hustled through the crowd and beaten to the ground on several occasions, before he disappears in the crush and the crackle of gunfire is heard. His son Mutassim, captured alive with him, also died in the custody of rebel fighters. The National Transitional Council initially said that Col Gaddafi had been killed in crossfire, but under pressure from Western allies it later promised to investigate how he and his son were killed. The ICC has indicted another of Col Gaddafi's sons, Saif al-Islam, for alleged war crimes and he is in the custody of the Libyan authorities. Mr Moreno-Ocampo has accepted that Saif al-Islam will be tried in Libya, not The Hague.[/release] [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16212133[/URL]
You don't say. He was only raped by a knife on-tape.
[I]may [/I]be a war crime?
It was known as soon as we saw the video that he was probably killed in cold blood. I still think that no-one will prosecute. They have to make a big deal of it and make it known it was a crime, but there is nothing and no-one to prosecute.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;33749469]It was known as soon as we saw the video that he was probably killed in cold blood. I still think that no-one will prosecute. They have to make a big deal of it and make it known it was a crime, but there is nothing and no-one to prosecute.[/QUOTE] The prosecutor would have to deal with a huge amount of public backlash if he/she were to deem it a war-crime. Even if it is
I'd imagine if the ethnic cleansing of dark-skinned Africans by rebel forces wasn't a war crime, this wouldn't either.
[QUOTE=Contag;33749673]I'd imagine if the ethnic cleansing of dark-skinned Africans by rebel forces wasn't a war crime, this wouldn't either.[/QUOTE] But ethnic cleansing is a war crime...
Who the hell cares? it's Gaddafi. He murdered hundreds of innocents just so he could have a few extra days of power.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;33750060]Who the hell cares? it's Gaddafi. He murdered hundreds of innocents just so he could have a few extra days of power.[/QUOTE] No one is going to prosecute. Imagine the risk you and your family would be put at with the whole world seeing your even attempting to prosecute the person who killed Gadaffi.
[QUOTE=Omali;33750098]No one is going to prosecute. Imagine the risk you and your family would be put at with the whole world seeing your even attempting to prosecute the person who killed Gadaffi.[/QUOTE] I know, but the whole thing is just sort of... why bother even mentioning it? no-one is going to do anything because it's gadaffi.
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;33749954]But ethnic cleansing is a war crime...[/QUOTE] Well, what constitutes a war crime is decided by a intergovernmental body. It might be decided that it was okay because all the mercenaries [I]just happened[/I] to be dark-skinned Africans, and that there isn't enough evidence to prosecute or determine whether it was a war crime.
I doubt this will happen.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;33750060]Who the hell cares? it's Gaddafi. He murdered hundreds of innocents just so he could have a few extra days of power.[/QUOTE] That's exactly the kind of attitude you're expected to adopt to let things like this happen. War crimes are not okay, no matter how they're done or who they're done to.
[QUOTE=Cone;33750210]That's exactly the kind of attitude you're expected to adopt to let things like this happen. War crimes are not okay, no matter how they're done or who they're done to.[/QUOTE] I agree. Now how many people died during this? Several, several thousand. That's a lot of people.
[QUOTE=garychencool;33750247]I agree. Now how many people died during this? Several, several thousand. That's a lot of people.[/QUOTE] And Gaddafi was one of them. So why should he be treated any different?
[QUOTE=Cone;33750291]And Gaddafi was one of them. So why should he be treated any different?[/QUOTE] He ordered the killing of innocents protesters and the rebels killed someone who had killed their fellow friends family I would side with the rebels rather than him.I have no sympathy at all to people like him
[QUOTE=Matrix374;33750338]He ordered the killing of innocents protesters and the rebels killed someone who had killed their fellow friends family I would side with the rebels rather than him.I have no sympathy at all to people like him[/QUOTE] You can't become any less of a person through any means. It was still a man being tortured and killed, albeit a loathsome and despicable one. If killing people is so terrible a crime that the perpetrator must pay with the most valuable thing he could ever have, why should it be different for the rebels? Killing someone is killing someone, no matter who does it, why, or when.
So essentially, someone is just stating the obvious, because it would be suicide to try and prosecute the person responsible; it'd make the person look pro Gaddafi.
He surrendered and they proceeded to stab him. Evem if Ghaddafi was an asshole I have no respect for these rebels. No honor.
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33750592]So essentially, someone is just stating the obvious, because it would be suicide to try and prosecute the person responsible; it'd make the person look pro Gaddafi.[/QUOTE] I think it's silly that people would be so quick to say that you support him, and it's sad that nations don't hold each other up to that standard of respect for each other. It's like a group of school kids sitting in a circle, when one of them says something dumb and is perescuted until he leaves the school. It's just not really fair to think anyone would ever support him and not just be in it for oil.
Yeah. Same reason why I'm against the death penalty. If you kill someone for killing someone, then you are no better yourself. The people who killed gaddafi did to him what he did to them. Therefore, they stooped down to his level. I do understand them, but it's not very respectable.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;33750118]I know, but the whole thing is just sort of... why bother even mentioning it? no-one is going to do anything because it's gadaffi.[/QUOTE] They have to. If you fully support the legal and criminal system, then you can't condone vigilante justice and have to prosecute people who break the law, even if they kill a murderer.
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