• Sweden 'to expel up to 80,000 failed asylum-seekers'
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[quote="BBC"]Sweden expects to expel up to 80,000 asylum-seekers whose applications have been rejected, its interior minister was quoted as saying. Anders Ygeman said that charter aircraft would be used to deport the migrants over several years. "We are talking about 60,000 people but the number could climb to 80,000," Swedish media quoted him as saying. Some 163,000 migrants applied for asylum in Sweden in 2015, the highest per capita number in Europe. Of the approximately 58,800 cases processed last year, 55% were accepted.[/quote] [quote="BBC"]Mr Ygeman was quoted as giving the figure of 80,000 by Swedish Public TV and Dagens Industri business newspaper (in Swedish). He later tweeted to say he had not taken a position on how many migrants had grounds for asylum, it being a matter for the authorities and the courts. Sweden recently introduced temporary border checks in a bid to control the influx of people. Along with Germany, the Scandinavian country is is a prime destination for refugees and other migrants entering the EU illegally.[/quote] Source: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35425735[/url]
Good.
Well beuracracy has spoken Unfortunately I suspect that not all the people who fail are the ones who are there to milk the system, or are even the ones causing trouble. Also they could hold this up further by protesting in the courts
[quote]deport the migrants over several years.[/quote] seriously
about time
[QUOTE]Where Europe is failing on migrants[/QUOTE] Not sure if its fair to say that. [QUOTE]Some have likened the Danish proposals to the confiscation of gold and other valuables from Jews by the Nazis during the Holocaust.[/QUOTE] or that...
[QUOTE=TG2;49622006]seriously[/QUOTE] Logistically, yeah, 80,000 is a fuckton for a country like Sweden. I want to know where they're sending them. What happens if someone from north Africa claimed to be a Syrian refugee, do they get sent back to Africa, or Syria? Also they have to do it slowly, this could spark spark civil unrest in Sweden, trying to deport them faster would worsen civil unrest, if and when it happens.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49622018] [quote]Some have likened the Danish proposals to the confiscation of gold and other valuables from Jews by the Nazis during the Holocaust.[/quote] or that...[/QUOTE] This is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. They're taking stuff to help pay for the expenses involved to take care of the fucking refugees, not kill them.
[QUOTE=Araknid;49622192]This is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. They're taking stuff to help pay for the expenses involved to take care of the fucking refugees, not kill them.[/QUOTE] This guys right, it's exactly like in Game of Thrones when [sp]Jon gets the wildings to give up all their valuables and shit to help afford to accommodate them at the wall[/sp] we need a jon snow to help deal with these refugees, refugee crisis sorted
[QUOTE=TG2;49622006]seriously[/QUOTE] pretty sure that was a statement on how things will realistically go, it doesn't mean they're going to arrest 2 guys and go "that's it for this year guys, go home and enjoy the free time"
[QUOTE=TG2;49622006]seriously[/QUOTE] You can't up and just kick out 80,000 people in one fell swoop. That's just not logistically possible
[QUOTE=Sableye;49622004]Well beuracracy has spoken Unfortunately I suspect that not all the people who fail are the ones who are there to milk the system, or are even the ones causing trouble. Also they could hold this up further by protesting in the courts[/QUOTE]It's hard to say, but I imagine that people will cry and yeah it will be appealed and held up. Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that, appeals exist precisely for situations like this. [editline]27th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49622265]You can't up and just kick out 80,000 people in one fell swoop. That's just not logistically possible[/QUOTE]Well not with that attitude.
I guess we will be getting 80000 asylum seekers
I'll believe it when it happens
[QUOTE=Hillo;49622750]I guess we will be getting 80000 asylum seekers[/QUOTE] Nah bro, mother merkel has your back.
i love it, a century of domination over the rest of the world, genocides committed and vicious repression and manipulation, the actual retardation of progress across the world, first by Europe and the US, and eventually it comes to reap what it sows, a human tide of misery, decades in gestation, the third world washing up on its shores, actual poetic justice - no consolation that is to anyone - and people actually have the shortsightedness to feel contempt and resentment at the destitution they've passively had a hand in creating. what a load of shit, gloating over deportation. as if even half of us have done shit all for the world to deserve anything more than a migrant.
[QUOTE=Kommodore;49623658]i love it, a century of domination over the rest of the world, genocides committed and vicious repression and manipulation, the actual retardation of progress across the world, first by Europe and the US, and eventually it comes to reap what it sows, a human tide of misery, decades in gestation, the third world washing up on its shores, actual poetic justice - no consolation that is to anyone - and people actually have the shortsightedness to feel contempt and resentment at the destitution they've passively had a hand in creating. what a load of shit, gloating over deportation. as if even half of us have done shit all for the world to deserve anything more than a migrant.[/QUOTE] Edgy.
send them back to poverty and civil war and privation, i'm sure that will fix everything
[QUOTE=Kommodore;49623664]send them back to poverty and civil war and privation, i'm sure that will fix everything[/QUOTE] Good thing it's not Sweden's responsibility to fix Syria's problems. That's a job for the healthy, military-age men who are leaving en masse.
[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49623672]Good thing it's not Sweden's responsibility to fix Syria's problems. That's a job for the healthy, military-age men who are leaving en masse.[/QUOTE] Except that they can't do shit. One one side, they've got Assad that wants to kill every single on of them without mercy using weapons. On the other side, they've got ISIS that wants to cut of their heads. What are some random villagers going to do? Also, how is it not Sweden and the rest of europe's responsibility when they are partly responsible for causing this conflict and problem by selling weapons and causing instability in Syria?
[QUOTE=Sokrates;49623685] Also, how is it not Sweden and the rest of europe's responsibility when they are partly responsible for causing this conflict and problem by selling weapons and causing instability in Syria?[/QUOTE] [img]http://3p3mq242g5jc2ki76r3wi6fq.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/refugeesandweapons.png[/img] I don't think Syria is the primary market for Saab Systems but I could be wrong.
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;49623730][img]http://3p3mq242g5jc2ki76r3wi6fq.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/refugeesandweapons.png[/img] I don't think Syria is the primary market for Saab Systems but I could be wrong.[/QUOTE] Fucking disgusting countries to be honest. Fuels their war and conflict, and accepts barely any refugees. Jesus.
[QUOTE=TG2;49622006]seriously[/QUOTE] Takes a while to process and deport 80k people to be honest
[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49623672]Good thing it's not Sweden's responsibility to fix Syria's problems. That's a job for the healthy, military-age men who are leaving en masse.[/QUOTE] Well, isn't it humanity's responsibility to fix humanity's problems?
[QUOTE=TG2;49622006]seriously[/QUOTE] If you flew one A380 worth of refugees to their deportation destination every day it would take half a year. And that's assuming they got a big ass plane and no bureaucracy to deal with.
[QUOTE=DrDevil;49623917]If you flew one A380 worth of refugees to their deportation destination every day it would take half a year. And that's assuming they got a big ass plane and no bureaucracy to deal with.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure the amount of time with keeping these failed refugees and housing them would offset the cost having the government lend a couple planes to immediately deport them. Hell even only after maybe a few weeks, they could have spent the money to house them (in a country with a housing problem) on their own ticket with a commercial airliner back to their respective country that wasn't war-torn Syria for alot of them. Several years is silly. Moving 80,000 people is a horribly tedious task, but keeping them for years will only make it worse.
[QUOTE=Kommodore;49623658]i love it, a century of domination over the rest of the world, genocides committed and vicious repression and manipulation, the actual retardation of progress across the world, first by Europe and the US, and eventually it comes to reap what it sows, a human tide of misery, decades in gestation, the third world washing up on its shores, actual poetic justice - no consolation that is to anyone - and people actually have the shortsightedness to feel contempt and resentment at the destitution they've passively had a hand in creating. what a load of shit, gloating over deportation. as if even half of us have done shit all for the world to deserve anything more than a migrant.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49623663]Edgy.[/QUOTE] more like completely true? forget historical misdeeds, think of the last 100 years of destabilisation in the Middle East but when we start having to deal with the instability that we had a huge hand in causing, suddenly it's "oh no we couldn't possibly put up with all these refugees" [editline]28th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Swebonny;49623760]Fucking disgusting countries to be honest. Fuels their war and conflict, and accepts barely any refugees. Jesus.[/QUOTE] 100% this sell arms to the governments committing crimes against their people, but when the people try and escape it's "we CAN'T AFFORD IT!!!!!!"
A step in the right direction. Furthermore, anyone committing any type of crimes while seeking asylum should instantly be deported and not be allowed back in. Plus they must start medically age-checking the unaccompanied refugee children - age test made by the Danish Immigration Service showed that 72 percent of those who said they were children, were over 18 years. This should also be instant grounds for deportation.
[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49623663]Edgy.[/QUOTE] Don't declare someone "edgy" just because they have the sense and the guts to recognize the historical context of this situation. The longer we persist with the myth that what happens in one part of the world doesn't effect any other part, or that it's not our responsibility, the more we will continually run into these problems over and over again. God forbid someone recognize that and try to call out this bullshit.
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;49623730][img]http://3p3mq242g5jc2ki76r3wi6fq.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/refugeesandweapons.png[/img] I don't think Syria is the primary market for Saab Systems but I could be wrong.[/QUOTE] I'm guessing these numbers are pulled from [URL="http://stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news/countries-sending-most-arms-to-syria-have-accepted-fewest-of-refugees-they-ve-helped-create"]here[/URL]. So lets look a little closer at where the $7.7 billion of weapons sold figure was conjured from. Stop The War cites [URL="https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33487.pdf"]this[/URL] as the figures for weapons and "humanitarian aid" (why this is in quote marks isn't expanded upon) going to Syria, and I can see $6.1 billion is identified as humanitarian aid in the second paragraph. There is a further $825 million identified to fund opposition groups and $600 million allocated to train and equip Syrians. I could be missing something but this appears to be flat out lies from the Stop The War Coalition. The rest of the numbers could be dubious as well, the source for the Qatar figure is behind a paywall and they are treating numbers for fighting ISIS as selling weapons to Syria.
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