• 5 major automakers join forces to deploy 400 ultra-fast (350 kW) charging stations
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[QUOTE]BMW, Daimler’s Mercedes, Ford and Volkswagen’s Audi and Porsche announced today that they are creating a joint-venture with the goal of a “quick build-up of a sizable number of stations in order to enable long-range travel for battery electric vehicle drivers.” The new venture is similar to the Ultra E project announced earlier this year to deploy 25 new charging station for electric vehicles along the trans-European transport network (TEN-T), but it’s apparently a separate and much more ambitious project to deploy 400 stations across Europe. The new network will be based on Combined Charging System (CCS) standard technology and each station will feature both level 2 AC chargers and level 3 DC chargers, but also the new ” ultra-fast high-powered chargers” and like the ones of the Ultra E project, they will be able to deliver up to 350 kW – or more than twice the capacity of the current best charger, Tesla’s Supercharger at 145 kW. [/QUOTE] [url]https://electrek.co/2016/11/29/ultra-fast-charging-electric-car-network-bmw-mercedes-ford-vw/[/url] Next step is for these companies to make BEVs that can actually make use of these things.
Tesla is finally getting what it wanted unless the companies DRM it against tesla, which i can see them doing
[QUOTE=Wii60;51444614]Tesla is finally getting what it wanted unless the companies DRM it against tesla, which i can see them doing[/QUOTE] I was always concerned about this with these charging stations, imagine if we wound up with a situation where you desperately notice a station at the side of the road and...... it's incompatible.
What human fucking garbage you'd have to be to make your charging station intentionally incompatible.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51444622]I was always concerned about this with these charging stations, imagine if we wound up with a situation where you desperately notice a station at the side of the road and...... it's incompatible.[/QUOTE] It will probably be more like: 1) Proprietary users get free/reduced price charges and everyone else pays more 2) Proprietary users get faster charging and other manufacturers are limited "to prevent incompatability problems" I'm leaning towards the first situation because they can make more money that way.
[QUOTE=Barcock;51444628]What human fucking garbage you'd have to be to make your charging station intentionally incompatible.[/QUOTE] Don't Teslas require a specific charger that's incompatible with every other EV?
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51444622]I was always concerned about this with these charging stations, imagine if we wound up with a situation where you desperately notice a station at the side of the road and...... it's incompatible.[/QUOTE] We already have that. There is a charging station here at the Peavy mart, another set at the university and the Tesla stations at the tourist information center. They all use different connections.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51444634]Don't Teslas require a specific charger that's incompatible with every other EV?[/QUOTE] I think Tesla released their patents though in order to push the market ahead, and the charger recepticle/system should be part of that.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51444622]I was always concerned about this with these charging stations, imagine if we wound up with a situation where you desperately notice a station at the side of the road and...... it's incompatible.[/QUOTE] That would not be DRM, that would just be an incompatibility, actual DRM would be if the charger was capable of doing the charge, the connector was compatible but they did not allow you to charge it. However I think we should all adopt a standard like we did with USB chargers in phones.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;51444672]I think at some point the automotive industry will adopt a standard, or the government will force a standard. Eventually there will be a "standard issue charging port"[/QUOTE] Like they did with gas caps and gas pumps.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51444661]I think Tesla released their patents though in order to push the market ahead, and the charger recepticle/system should be part of that.[/QUOTE] Their announcement uses some shaky legal language IIRC. So it'll probably be a concerted effort to make a standard rather than just companies jumping onto Tesla, or they'll reaffirm it with different terms. The government also could step in, really depends, if EVs are getting relevant and consumers are getting fucked by this quite often it'll probably happen pretty quickly.
Nah, correct me if I'm wrong, but there's been a [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772"]charging port standard since 2009[/URL]. [img_thumb]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/SAE_J1772_7058855567.jpg[/img_thumb] I know that this includes not only the connector, but basic charging protocols as well (AFAIK Tesla only really has patents for their internal battery management controller which allows the ultra-fast charge)
In the US Tesla use a proprietary connector. In Europe they use the standard one but it's slightly modified because the standard can't handle the power of the superchargers by default. Tesla is trying to avoid making the plugs unnecessarily bulky like the CCS standard.
I guess a reform of the standard plug is in order now that higher power output is required.
[QUOTE=Morgen;51444779]In the US Tesla use a proprietary connector. In Europe they use the standard one but it's slightly modified because the standard can't handle the power of the superchargers by default. Tesla is trying to avoid making the plugs unnecessarily bulky like the CCS standard.[/QUOTE] But they do have adapters available and [URL="https://electrek.co/2016/02/05/tesla-charging-adapter-chademo-sae-j1772/"]Musk has said he supports some sort of standard to accelerate the development of the charging infrastructure[/URL]. I assume the US Tesla connector is the far right? [IMG]https://electrek.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/ev-plugs.png?w=927&h=229[/IMG]
I like how this is going. Its a step in the right direction.
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;51444810]But they do have adapters available and [URL="https://electrek.co/2016/02/05/tesla-charging-adapter-chademo-sae-j1772/"]Musk has said he supports some sort of standard to accelerate the development of the charging infrastructure[/URL]. I assume the US Tesla connector is the far right? [IMG]https://electrek.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/ev-plugs.png?w=927&h=229[/IMG][/QUOTE] Yes. He tried to argue to the EU parliament to use a different standard that supported higher power but got rejected.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51444632]It will probably be more like: 1) Proprietary users get free/reduced price charges and everyone else pays more 2) Proprietary users get faster charging and other manufacturers are limited "to prevent incompatability problems" I'm leaning towards the first situation because they can make more money that way.[/QUOTE] Number 2 doesn't make sense though. You wouldn't want non-proprietary users clogging up the stations with slower recharge times. Makes more sense just to have them pay at a premium. Easier for everyone if you're in and out quickly, instead of having people charge slower just because they use different cars. I'd be pretty pissed off if I had an EV by one of those 5 major automakers, only to have to sit and wait for ages cause someone who doesn't is charging up at 50% the speed.
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