Broken Clock Starts to Work - ATF says AR Can Cannon is Legal
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In a promising turn of events, the recently controversial AR15 upper receiver, aluminium soda can firing “Can Cannon” made by X products, has now been declared fit for market sale again by the ATF. All existing Can Cannons that are currently in private ownership (I’ve heard about several thousand) have to be converted to the new configuration which doesn’t allow the chambering of a live 5.56x45mm round, which was the problem that ATF had beforehand, because in essence the previous Can Cannons were short barreled rifles. Although they had been designed with the intent of only shooting 5.56x45mm blank cartridges, one could load a live round in there and fire it. The accuracy of it would probably be completely off, and the fact that the handguard is the size of a fire extinguisher would make it quite difficult to conceal, but in the ATFs all seeing eyes, this was none other than an SBR. The new modifications include a sort of metal bar that doesn’t allow the chambering of a live round.[/quote]
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Reasonable stipulations, glad they disnt axe it totally
Before people get all their panties in a twist, this is a gun that fires aluminum cans. This type of gun was not designed to kill people, but to have fun. So while it is not a toy, it is also not a deadly firearm capable of mass murder.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50186011]Before people get all their panties in a twist, this is a gun that fires aluminum cans. This type of gun was not designed to kill people, but to have fun. So while it is not a toy, it is also not a deadly firearm capable of mass murder.[/QUOTE]
It would still hurt like a bitch to get hit by, might break a rib or 2
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4oKMmrljTk[/media]
At about 1:30.
This thing looks super fun.
[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;50186018][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4oKMmrljTk[/media]
At about 1:30.
This thing looks super fun.[/QUOTE]
I want to shotgun tennis balls out of it, turns out you can get them in canada too
Sounds like the concern was over it's ability to chamber live ammo, which seems reasonable enough.
that shit is just plain cool :v:
[QUOTE=Tinter;50186193]Sounds like the concern was over it's ability to chamber live ammo, which seems reasonable enough.[/QUOTE]
This, the ATF didn't like it cause you could easily convert a normal AR into an SBR
but you can just as easily buy a 10" barrel literally any gunstore or website.
[QUOTE=Megadave;50186011]Before people get all their panties in a twist, this is a gun that fires aluminum cans. This type of gun was not designed to kill people, but to have fun. So while it is not a toy, it is also not a deadly firearm capable of mass murder.[/QUOTE]
I don't know, seems like a viable grenade launcher to me.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;50187273]I don't know, seems like a viable grenade launcher to me.[/QUOTE]
Grenades/IEDs are illegal or heavily restricted anyway, and you could do the same thing with a air cannon as well.
[QUOTE=viperfan7;50186062]I want to shotgun tennis balls out of it, turns out you can get them in canada too[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but since ARs can only be shot at the range in Canada have fun finding one that's gonna let you lob random shit downrange.
I want to buy one when I get my Colt LE in. That thing looks like a blast.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;50187498]Yeah, but since ARs can only be shot at the range in Canada have fun finding one that's gonna let you lob random shit downrange.[/QUOTE]
Move somewhere that doesn't have a whole lot of people nearby and build your own range in your backyard. Even if it's technically illegal, cops are pretty much always going to have more important shit to worry about than some guy in the sticks shooting cans at stuff in his yard, especially if it's confined to a range
[QUOTE=Nerts;50187435]Grenades/IEDs are illegal or heavily restricted anyway, and you could do the same thing with a air cannon as well.[/QUOTE]
IIRC, you can actually build grenades at home, but you have to register it with the ATF for a $200 tax stamp. Same goes for anti-tank weapons and the like.
Not sure if AOW or Destructive Devices would apply to make stuff like that illegal, but I'd imagine if someone were to bring it up we'd see a literal panic across the country as people realize that machine guns have been faux-banned since 86' but you can still own anti-tank weapons.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50188182]IIRC, you can actually build grenades at home, but you have to register it with the ATF for a $200 tax stamp. Same goes for anti-tank weapons and the like.
Not sure if AOW or Destructive Devices would apply to make stuff like that illegal, but I'd imagine if someone were to bring it up we'd see a literal panic across the country as people realize that machine guns have been faux-banned since 86' but you can still own anti-tank weapons.[/QUOTE]If you did make a can-shaped grenade you would need a type 10 FFL, be a SOT class 2, $200 dollar tax, and fill out a Form 1 for it. If you want to transfer a grenade you need to fill out a Form 4, $200 transfer fee, LE sign-off, etc etc
People build "grenades" all the time though, it's just they don't tell anyone about it. Making high explosives in your garage is pretty easy if you're not a fucking retard, if Cletus and Billy-bob can do it while cooking meth then really anyone can. One of the most effective ways of removing certain pests is blowing the living shit out of their little nests or burrows so if you're far enough out in the sticks things just happen sometimes.
[QUOTE=Binladen34;50186762]This, the ATF didn't like it cause you could easily convert a normal AR into an SBR
but you can just as easily buy a 10" barrel literally any gunstore or website.[/QUOTE]
They say this but really it's because people aren't paying the $200 for the tax stamp on it
All it takes to turn a rifle into an SBR, legally, is filling out a form with your desired length, the serial number, and include a $200 check and that's it. It's really just a money thing
[QUOTE=TheTalon;50189743]It's really just a money thing[/QUOTE]Considering the BATFE's origins this really shouldn't surprise you: they were originally an agency under the Department of the Treasury, got moved to the FBI for a bit, got shifted to the IRS after Prohibition went away, and then when the government developed an even stronger interest in disarming the population it became it's own agency directly under the Department of Justice.
A broken clock is right two times a day...
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50189896]A broken clock is right two times a day...[/QUOTE][url]http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/08/david-codrea/dismissal-of-post-1986-machine-gun-ban-challenge-appealed/[/url]
Not the same clock, but...
[QUOTE=TheTalon;50189743]They say this but really it's because people aren't paying the $200 for the tax stamp on it
All it takes to turn a rifle into an SBR, legally, is filling out a form with your desired length, the serial number, and include a $200 check and that's it. It's really just a money thing[/QUOTE]
My state doesn't recognize NFA items. So this being not an NFA item is good news for me.
I can talk about owning one, when I get around to owning one.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50189896]A broken clock is right two times a day...[/QUOTE]
my clock is always 5:00
[QUOTE=Megadave;50186011] it is also not a deadly firearm capable of mass murder.[/QUOTE]
This sounds just wrong.
[QUOTE=lavacano;50188037]Move somewhere that doesn't have a whole lot of people nearby and build your own range in your backyard. Even if it's technically illegal, cops are pretty much always going to have more important shit to worry about than some guy in the sticks shooting cans at stuff in his yard, especially if it's confined to a range[/QUOTE]
I'd rather build a legal range on the property and not risk a mandatory minimum 5 year jail sentence.
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