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[QUOTE]The tension that has simmered in the Republican Party for years -- shutting down the government and nearly bringing the nation to default -- escalated into an outright civil war Tuesday. The conflict not only threatens the party's ability to make any realistic attempt at reclaiming the White House next month, but also previews the conflicts and divides that could consume the GOP for years to come if Trump loses.
On one side is Trump, who spent much of Tuesday lashing out on social media at his GOP foes, such as Speaker Paul Ryan and Sen. John McCain, and lamenting the lack of party unity. He's backed by conservative lawmakers including Iowa Rep. Steve King and the throngs of loyal supporters who attend his rallies, including the one here in Panama City, Florida, Tuesday, where he renewed his call for a government investigation into his opponent, Hillary Clinton.
Some are even raising the potential of denying Ryan the speakership after the election.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/12/politics/republicans-us-election/[/url]
They reap what they've sown the past years. No mercy, let it burn.
Donald Trump does not forgive betrayal
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51194380]Donald Trump does not forgive betrayal[/QUOTE]
Technically speaking Donald Trump [I]is[/I] the betrayal. But the GOP is not without fault. Their manufactured fear and outrage has lead to their electorate choosing a very real candidate.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51194380]Donald Trump does not forgive betrayal[/QUOTE]
a tad ironic considering trump has stabbed many many people in the back over the course of his life
like his wives
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51194433]a tad ironic considering trump has stabbed many many people in the back over the course of his life
like his wives[/QUOTE]
There's nothing a backstabber hates more than a taste of their own medicine.
This guy is causing so much fucking damage and he's not even [sp]going to be[/sp] President.
the fuck is happening in the picture in the OP?
On the brightside, this might mean that the GOP will fracture into 2 parties. One that really is all about oppressing everyone not straight, white, and christian, and the other one that really is about small government and low taxes. Although my republican friends hate Trump for all the bullshit he says, they pick him over Hillary solely because they don't want their taxes to go up and/or right to bear arms infringed upon.
My liberal friends who love guns are boned this election.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51194582]My liberal friends who love guns are boned this election.[/QUOTE]
Hilary is not going to do anything drastic in anti-gun department. She's just going to be following the usual heavy rhetoric without any actual actions or results.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51194582]On the brightside, this might mean that the GOP will fracture into 2 parties. One that really is all about oppressing everyone not straight, white, and christian, and the other one that really is about small government and low taxes. Although my republican friends hate Trump for all the bullshit he says, they pick him over Hillary solely because they don't want their taxes to go up and/or right to bear arms infringed upon.
My liberal friends who love guns are boned this election.[/QUOTE]
My prediction is the GOP will dissapear, the Democrats will shift more center and the younger progressive demographic will split off into their own party.
[QUOTE=MasterKade;51194570]the fuck is happening in the picture in the OP?[/QUOTE]
I seem to recall Trump having a role in the WWE for a nanosecond.
[QUOTE=MasterKade;51194570]the fuck is happening in the picture in the OP?[/QUOTE]
Uncut footage from the 2nd Presidential Debate
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51194582]On the brightside, this might mean that the GOP will fracture into 2 parties. One that really is all about oppressing everyone not straight, white, and christian, and the other one that really is about small government and low taxes. Although my republican friends hate Trump for all the bullshit he says, they pick him over Hillary solely because they don't want their taxes to go up and/or right to bear arms infringed upon.
My liberal friends who love guns are boned this election.[/QUOTE]
We have the Consitution Party which is pretty much where the Tea Party and Trump cult will migrate to. It states in their platform that the US is a christian state and the courts should work on bible law and the country was founded on bible principles and everything else you mentioned.
They'll probably gain power in red states but the sane and more liberal/moderate Republicans will either move to the Libertarian party, reform the GOP, or just blow it all up and bring back the Whigs(who currently exist as the Modern Whigs)
There is no coming back for the GOP as it is now.
[QUOTE=gufu;51194597]Hilary is not going to do anything drastic in anti-gun department. She's just going to be following the usual heavy rhetoric without any actual actions or results.[/QUOTE]
Maybe but I'm in California and the governor has already done things to shit on gun ownership.
I guess making ammo take longer to get is a decent compromise for people who want to get rid of guns entirely and want to see something done since it doesn't take away guns and it just requires gun owners to plan in advance if they want to go shooting stuff
[QUOTE=false prophet;51194625]I seem to recall Trump having a role in the WWE for a nanosecond.[/QUOTE]
Hes been in and out a few times
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkghtyxZ6rc[/media]
I could of sworn the 2nd debate was an episode of WWE
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51194380]Donald Trump does not forgive betrayal[/QUOTE]
he's actually betraying the party not the other way around...
Man a return of the whigs would be an interesting sight. They had a very interesting interpretation of government. I would not mind it as a replacement for the Republican party but I'm not sure if I would be willing to support it.
I hope the dems die next and the bull moose party gets resurrected. [sp]Not likely but I can dream [/sp]
[QUOTE=spiritlol;51195629]Man a return of the whigs would be an interesting sight. They had a very interesting interpretation of government. I would not mind it as a replacement for the Republican party but I'm not sure if I would be willing to support it.
I hope the dems die next and the bull moose party gets resurrected. [sp]Not likely but I can dream [/sp][/QUOTE]
In their time the Whigs were about modernizing the American economy. They saw the rise of small businesses, the booming manufacturing economy, the banking system all as signs of the future. At the same time the Democratic-Republicans/Democrats were about the agrarian lifestyle and more focused on agriculture and the farming class and opposed to all forms of centralization in the government. Essentially the parties we have now but reversed.
Funny enough, the Whigs formed their party in response to Andrew Jackson who was the Donald Trump of their time period. History could be repeating itself for us.
I heard on NPR today that there's a possibility of the republican party fracturing, and a new "Trump" party being in play by next election, allowing the insane republicans to break off and let the party rebuild itself after a purge. Wouldn't that be a sight to see, an entirely new party devoted to the orange and his ideals.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;51194353]They reap what they've sown the past years. No mercy, let it burn.[/QUOTE]
Having a weak opposition is never a good thing, since it lets the ruling party get complacent and break promises with little fear of reprisal. The GOP fucking up this bad is bad for democracy as a whole in America.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;51195780]Having a weak opposition is never a good thing, since it lets the ruling party get complacent and break promises with little fear of reprisal. The GOP fucking up this bad is bad for democracy as a whole in America.[/QUOTE]
Democracy has been a farce for the past century or so anyway. In the nineteenth century you probably had a dozen parties which affected the outcomes of elections but today thanks to Citizens United, lobbying, and politicians passing laws to keep 'third parties' down and out we're stuck where we are now.
Pray that the Sanders supporters after this election give the Democrats the finger and break off to make their own party. Call it the Sandersonian Party or something old fashioned.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51195737]In their time the Whigs were about modernizing the American economy. They saw the rise of small businesses, the booming manufacturing economy, the banking system all as signs of the future. At the same time the Democratic-Republicans/Democrats were about the agrarian lifestyle and more focused on agriculture and the farming class and opposed to all forms of centralization in the government. Essentially the parties we have now but reversed.
Funny enough, the Whigs formed their party in response to Andrew Jackson who was the Donald Trump of their time period. History could be repeating itself for us.[/QUOTE]
This is not entirely correct, yes the Whigs were born in the wake of Andrew Jackson as a respone to his frequent use of presidential powers. (And as an aside Jackson is not on the same level as Trump. Most historians rank him as a decent president, he mostly gets shit nowadays from people who fail to use a historical lense when reviewing him.) They were against the idea of strong excutive leaders and wished to shift the balance of power to Congress. You are correct about their fiscal focus on expanding business but I would not compare them to the current Democrats or Republicans. They were against high taxes and business regulations but supported government spending in business sector and for infrastructure. It's a very centrist party in terms of the role of government but very right wing in terms of public spending and welfare. I would prefer it over the modern Republican party but it still tends to shit on the poor so I wouldn't see myself supporting it.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51195828]Democracy has been a farce for the past century or so anyway. In the nineteenth century you probably had a dozen parties which affected the outcomes of elections but today thanks to Citizens United, lobbying, and politicians passing laws to keep 'third parties' down and out we're stuck where we are now.
Pray that the Sanders supporters after this election give the Democrats the finger and break off to make their own party. Call it the Sandersonian Party or something old fashioned.[/QUOTE]
that is not in any way the reason we have a two party system
do I even have to post the video explaining this again, seriously
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51195828]Democracy has been a farce for the past century or so anyway. In the nineteenth century you probably had a dozen parties which affected the outcomes of elections but today thanks to Citizens United, lobbying, and politicians passing laws to keep 'third parties' down and out we're stuck where we are now.
Pray that the Sanders supporters after this election give the Democrats the finger and break off to make their own party. Call it the Sandersonian Party or something old fashioned.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, even in a world without lobbyists or anti-third-party laws, the US would still be a two-party system. It's inevitable under even the best FPTP voting system, and we've got one of the worst out there (indirect voting, for one). America being the first modern-era democracy did leave us with a lot of poor decisions that for some reason we haven't gotten around to fixing.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;51195870]To be fair, even in a world without lobbyists or anti-third-party laws, the US would still be a two-party system. It's inevitable under even the best FPTP voting system, and we've got one of the worst out there (indirect voting, for one). America being the first modern-era democracy did leave us with a lot of poor decisions that for some reason we haven't gotten around to fixing.[/QUOTE]
FPTP is fucked up yes, doesn't excuse the red tape surrounding political parties from forming in recent years preventing new ideas from making it into the spotlight causing the stagnation we have now.
It had its good(Abraham Lincoln)and it has to go sooner or later with all the shady shit we've had to put up with.
[QUOTE=spiritlol;51195851]This is not entirely correct, yes the Whigs were born in the wake of Andrew Jackson as a respone to his frequent use of presidential powers. (And as an aside Jackson is not on the same level as Trump. Most historians rank him as a decent president, he mostly gets shit nowadays from people who fail to use a historical lense when reviewing him.) They were against the idea of strong excutive leaders and wished to shift the balance of power to Congress. You are correct about their fiscal focus on expanding business but I would not compare them to the current Democrats or Republicans. They were against high taxes and business regulations but supported government spending in business sector and for infrastructure. It's a very centrist party in terms of the role of government but very right wing in terms of public spending and welfare. I would prefer it over the modern Republican party but it still tends to shit on the poor so I wouldn't see myself supporting it.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Whigs wanted to shit on the poor, iirc they wanted a universal education so as to create an educated, disciplined society.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51195937]I don't think Whigs wanted to shit on the poor, iirc they wanted a universal education so as to create an educated, disciplined society.[/QUOTE]
Of course they didn't want to shit on the poor, the problem is that they had no real policies designed to assist them. In that time period that wasn't a huge problem, but with the wealth inequality today it's clear who would really benefit from the Whig platform.
Not to say that Neo-Whigs haven't or wouldn't change this, I'm only aware of the original party.
Well then fracture. Let the crazies go their way and have the sane Republican party back.
[QUOTE=Kindashort;51196101]Well then fracture. Let the crazies go their way and have the sane Republican party back.[/QUOTE]
It'll never happen because they all know that splitting into two will ensure left-wing victory. They stay united against a common enemy, and that's why our two-party system can't just disappear naturally.
Trump's plan for America:
1. Shit on everyone to distract voters until he gets elected.
2. ??????????????
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