• Israel agrees to 24-hour ceasefire
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[quote]Israel has accepted a UN request for a 24-hour ceasefire in Gaza, but warns the army will act if the pause is breached by Palestinian militants. A crisis cabinet meeting extended Saturday's truce until midnight on Sunday (21:00 GMT).The move comes despite Hamas militants firing rockets after they rejected an earlier attempt to prolong the truce. Hamas said it would not accept a truce unless Israeli troops left Gaza and the displaced were allowed to return home. Israel said that it would continue operations against tunnels used by Hamas during the truce period. Hamas has accused Israel of using previous ceasefires to prepare more attacks, and claimed that there had been truce violations during Saturday.[/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28507951[/url]
They'll sign a treaty, clap and immediately confuse the clapping for gunfire, resuming hostilities.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;45512417]hamas will shoot a firework at a field and the truce will be broken[/QUOTE] Um, about that. [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28508970"]Israel resumes Gaza offensive after Hamas rockets[/URL] [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE]Due to Hamas' incessant rocket fire during the humanitarian window, we are renewing our aerial, naval and ground activity in Gaza.[/QUOTE]
Gotta love these faux-ceasefire that the Israel government knows the Hamas won't respect because they never agreed to it and then use it as an excuse to disproportionally retaliate against the Palestinian population when the Hamas inevitably continue to shoot their rockets.
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;45514559]Gotta love these faux-ceasefire that the Israel government knows the Hamas won't respect because they never agreed to it and then use it as an excuse to disproportionally retaliate against the Palestinian population when the Hamas inevitably continue to shoot their rockets.[/QUOTE] You do know it was the UN that requested the cease-fire? Israel merely accepted, yet again. Anyway. [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28511075"]Cough[/URL].
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;45514559]Gotta love these faux-ceasefire that the Israel government knows the Hamas won't respect because they never agreed to it and then use it as an excuse to disproportionally retaliate against the Palestinian population when the Hamas inevitably continue to shoot their rockets.[/QUOTE] Ah yes! The evil jews always scheming! Do you really think Israel wants war --- oh wait, you're probably one of those people who believe Israel is committing a genocide too.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;45514671]Ah yes! The evil jews always scheming! Do you really think Israel wants war --- oh wait, you're probably one of those people who believe Israel is committing a genocide too.[/QUOTE] To be fair, the IDF says they're okay with the cease-fires mostly because it gives them time to work on dismantling the tunnels while not being fired on.
Israel is committing genocide, maybe unwittingly or unwanting to, but they are committing it nonetheless.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;45515607]Whats the point? Those people have nowhere to go. What difference would 1 day make if the slaughter will continue the next one, and the next one, and the next one. How come theyll treat, or transport patients to safe areas in just one day? Even while hospitals get bombed?[/QUOTE] You disagree with the 1 day of peace, because it isn't worth it? What? Any peace is worth it in itself. Especially when the alternative is the usual fighting.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;45514671]Ah yes! The evil jews always scheming! Do you really think Israel wants war --- oh wait, you're probably one of those people who believe Israel is committing a genocide too.[/QUOTE] Of course they don't want a war. They just want to take over what's left of palestine in the "the holy land" I am pretty sure they would be 110% okay if palestine and hamas just gave up
[QUOTE=Cabbalistic;45512765]Um, about that. [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28508970"]Israel resumes Gaza offensive after Hamas rockets[/URL] [/QUOTE] Those were fired 14 hours after a 12 hour ceasefire agreement An extension would have been better, but that was well after the agreed upon 12 hour period so it's not like the ceasefire was violated [QUOTE=SGTSpartans;45514671]Ah yes! The evil jews always scheming! [/QUOTE] -strawman alert-
[quote]Hamas has accused Israel of using previous ceasefires to prepare more attacks[/quote] oh cmon isn't hamas doing exactly that too?
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;45514671]Ah yes! The evil jews always scheming! Do you really think Israel wants war --- oh wait, you're probably one of those people who believe Israel is committing a genocide too.[/QUOTE] The Jews are fine. However the Israeli government is corrupt as shit - nothing to do with the Jewish religion. And yes, firing flechette shells in to civilian suburbs counts kiiiinda counts as as act of genocide.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45514660]You do know it was the UN that requested the cease-fire? Israel merely accepted, yet again. Anyway. [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28511075"]Cough[/URL].[/QUOTE] I've read the article. If you were in the position of the Israel Government and Armed Forces and you knew the Hamas (which do no represent most Palestinians nor do they act in their best interest, they're merely a reactionary force) would not respect the ceasefire (since I wouldn't be surprised if there were internal struggles and that a batshit insane faction of the Hamas would never want peace), would you not officially say you accept the cease-fire? They know they can retaliate when they [U]inevitably[/U] get fired upon and yet still look good, even though they "accepted" the ceasefire in complete bad faith. Then if they end up killing more civilians they can blame it on the Hamas for bringing it upon themselves, ignoring the fact that most civilians probably don't have a say in what the Hamas does and that the IDF doesn't seem to take enough measures to prevent civilian casualties. I hate the Hamas but I don't believe for a second that the Israeli Government "accepted" the ceasefire expecting the Hamas to respect it. The IDF sure seems like it wants to dismantle the Hamas but they're ignoring counter-insurgency 101: kiling civillians only makes civilans want to support the terrorist/rebel group. With over 1000 Palestinans killed and 5000 wounded you think the Palestinans are suddenly going to stop supporting the Hamas? Fuck no, their families didn't get killed by a Hamas missile, in their eyes the only people responsible for their plight is the IDF and the Israeli Government. Saying that the IDF can't be expected not to kill civilans with collateral damage trying to eliminate the Hamas is saying the IDF is incompetent, which basically makes them as bad as the Hamas. What is an ordinary Palestinant supposed to do when the IDF expects you to evacuate your home in under 3 minutes or they kill you because a rebel group you can't control composed of people who hate the IDF for killing their loved ones innefectually try to get revenge? [QUOTE=SGTSpartans;45514671]Ah yes! The evil jews always scheming! Do you really think Israel wants war --- oh wait, you're probably one of those people who believe Israel is committing a genocide too.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ, I've never said or even implied any of those things. I've even specifically pointed out that I'm criticizing the Israeli Government and Army, what's fucking wrong with you? Strawman arguments are just plain counter-productive in this discussion, shame on you.
[QUOTE=Dermock;45516191]The Jews are fine. However the Israeli government is corrupt as shit - nothing to do with the Jewish religion. And yes, firing flechette shells in to civilian suburbs counts kiiiinda counts as as act of genocide.[/QUOTE] Lol that's not genocide at all stop cheapening the word just because it makes your point sound stronger. Was the bombing of Dresden genocide too?
[QUOTE=Explosions;45518122]Lol that's not genocide at all stop cheapening the word just because it makes your point sound stronger. Was the bombing of Dresden genocide too?[/QUOTE] It was mass murder.
[QUOTE=Furioso;45518204]It was mass murder.[/QUOTE] Sure, not genocide though. [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] Very significant difference.
It's still wrong as shit. Call it whatever you want, what is happening in Palestine is unjustifiable.
[QUOTE=Furioso;45518351]It's still wrong as shit. Call it whatever you want, what is happening in Palestine is unjustifiable.[/QUOTE] So that warrants calling it a genocide how? [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] Not sure if you realize but I would consider myself "pro-Palestine" (whatever that means) and I think Israel's actions are deplorable and criminal. Do I just start labeling these actions as genocide simply because it's a more pointed word to use? No, that's not normal or intelligent.
It doesn't, I got a little emotional and misunderstood the series of posts. My apologies.
[QUOTE=Megadave;45515043]Israel is committing genocide, maybe unwittingly or unwanting to, but they are committing it nonetheless.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war[/url] ~20,000 Palestinians killed in 68 years. Shiiit, Germany had 6 million killed in the span of like 8 years. [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Dermock;45516191]The Jews are fine. However the Israeli government is corrupt as shit - nothing to do with the Jewish religion. And yes, firing flechette shells in to civilian suburbs counts kiiiinda counts as as act of genocide.[/QUOTE] gen·o·cide [jen-uh-sahyd] Show IPA noun the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.
[QUOTE=darunner;45518456][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war[/url] ~20,000 Palestinians killed in 68 years. Shiiit, Germany had 6 million killed in the span of like 8 years. [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] gen·o·cide [jen-uh-sahyd] Show IPA noun the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.[/QUOTE] Yes, germany has forever now set the standard for genocide. You must at least kill 6 million of a certain group within a span of 8 years, for your action to be concidered genocide
[QUOTE=Sokrates;45518489]Yes, germany has forever now set the standard for genocide. You must at least kill 6 million of a certain group within a span of 8 years, for your action to be concidered genocide[/QUOTE] It's 1/300th the rate of deaths. That is not genocide. Saddam had a higher kills per year number. By that logic, we were totally justified with going in and taking him out.
[QUOTE=Explosions;45518122]Lol that's not genocide at all stop cheapening the word just because it makes your point sound stronger. Was the bombing of Dresden genocide too?[/QUOTE] well... some claim dresden was genocide, and i'm pretty sure if israel pulled a dresden on gaza 90% of the planet would be saying what they did was genocide(whatever it was it or not). but yeah, israel isn't committing genocide. also gaza's ministry is deliberately inflating numbers by adding repeated names in the list, with different spellings, etc. [url]http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/gaza-under-seige-naming-dead-2014710105846549528.html[/url] [url]http://www.israellycool.com/2014/07/26/latest-analysis-of-gazan-casualties-in-operation-protective-edge-as-of-july-25th/[/url] lets be honest israel aren't saints, but folks seem to forget hamas are worse... and are little more than criminals with awfully good PR.
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