Russian scientists urge 10-year ban on genetically modified products - Polidicks

[url]http://rt.com/news/gmo-ban-russian-scientists-293/[/url] [IMG]http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/21/84/d0/00/corn.si.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]Russian scientists are calling for a 10-year moratorium on GMOs to thoroughly study their influence on human health, stressing that such examinations are vital. "It is necessary to ban GMO, to impose moratorium [on it] for 10 years. While GMO will be prohibited, we can plan experiments, tests, or maybe even new methods of research could be developed,” vice president of Russia’s National Association for Genetic Safety, Irina Ermakova, told Interfax news agency. According to her, there have not been enough sufficient studies on GMO influence on human health to allow for a wide introduction of genetically modified food on the market. However, scientists say that most studies prove that such food comes along with dangerous side effects. “It has been proved that not only in Russia, but also in many other countries in the world, GMO is dangerous. Methods of obtaining the GMO are not perfect, therefore, at this stage, all GMOs are dangerous," Ermakova said. She went on to explain that one of the techniques uses tumor-causing soil bacteria. "Consumption and use of GMOs obtained in such way can lead to tumors, cancers and obesity among animals," Ermakova said. She added that doctors have seen a surge of diabetes and cancer in regions where residents have consumed larger amounts of GMO-containing food. "Biotechnologies certainly should be developed, but GMO should be stopped. [We] should stop it from spreading,” Ermakova added. [/QUOTE]

You ban things when you have hard evidence that they're bad for you, not FUD spread by the organic food lobby.

And this process will cause people to starve.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;43233414]You ban things when you have hard evidence that they're bad for you, not FUD spread by the organic food lobby.[/QUOTE] frankly this is what they should have done when gmo was first introduced as a workable concept. drastic alterations to food should come with a long period of testing [i]before[/i] the food ever hits the market. [editline]19th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43233436]And this process will cause people to starve.[/QUOTE] can you be any more sensationalist?

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;43233414]You ban things when you have hard evidence that they're bad for you, not FUD spread by the organic food lobby.[/QUOTE] That kind of logic is just asking for another Thalidomide disaster.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43233438] can you be any more sensationalist?[/QUOTE] Organic food on its own can only feed 2 billion with our standard rate of consumption. Several products which rely on soy bean will fucking sky rocket.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43233500]Organic food on its own can only feed 2 billion with our standard rate of consumption. Several products which rely on soy bean will fucking sky rocket.[/QUOTE] if we stopped eating meat we would be able to feed more.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43233538]if we stopped eating meat we would be able to feed more.[/QUOTE] Lets all agree to never eat meat from now on. [editline]18th December 2013[/editline] Also Africa.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43233582]Lets all agree to never eat meat from now on. [editline]18th December 2013[/editline] Also Africa.[/QUOTE] if we lower demand for meat consumption then it means less farms wasting land on animals instead of people.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43233596]if we lower demand for meat consumption then it means less farms wasting land on animals instead of people.[/QUOTE] We tried to make a thing called factory farms and factory slaughterhouses. People saw it as unethical.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43233603]We tried to make a thing called factory farms and factory slaughterhouses. People saw it as unethical.[/QUOTE] actually those are the biggest wastes of space and resources. it would be better if we had animals grass-fed. however, when you divert a ton of your food to feed a bunch of animals in cages then yea it's a tremendous waste of resources and space because you gotta farm a shitload of food for relatively little gain. we should return to meat supplementing our diet instead of having our diet focused on it. also we in the first world could do well lowering our food consumption anyways.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43233538]if we stopped eating meat we would be able to feed more.[/QUOTE] You're joking right? You do realise we are omnivores, yes? How about you check out how we produce so much meat nowadays. I'll tell you one thing, its damn sure not by giving them a lot of land. [editline]19th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;43233626]actually those are the biggest wastes of space and resources. it would be better if we had animals grass-fed. however, when you divert a ton of your food to feed a bunch of animals in cages then yea it's a tremendous waste of resources and space because you gotta farm a shitload of food for relatively little gain. we should return to meat supplementing our diet instead of having our diet focused on it. also we in the first world could do well lowering our food consumption anyways.[/QUOTE] A lot of what we feed animals with is corn, which is cheap as fuck.

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;43233629] A lot of what we feed animals with is corn, which is cheap as fuck.[/QUOTE] that is a lot of space that could be diverted to feeding people.

Actually, I got a challenge Yawmwen, please provide one very good example of GMO fucking over a bunch of people. And please don't quote one of those dumbass pseudoscientific bullshit greenpeace-esque websites either.

again, if we had animals free-range eating grass it would be better because the animals would basically be taking unusable forms of energy and converting them into human-usuable energy and nutrients. but we don't do that. we farm food to feed animals to feed humans and it's inefficient

Isn't genetic engineering plants actually something that existed you know? for hundreds of thousands of years? probably not nearly on the same level as today but Christ.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43233664]again, if we had animals free-range eating grass it would be better because the animals would basically be taking unusable forms of energy and converting them into human-usuable energy and nutrients. but we don't do that. we farm food to feed animals to feed humans and it's inefficient[/QUOTE] You're joking right? You do realise that to support the meat market, the amount of land you would have to dedicate to "free range grass" would be fucking huge, right? Seriously, it would take a metric shitton more space than just, you know our current method. Otherwise you'd see free-range all over the fucking place.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43233438] can you be any more sensationalist?[/QUOTE] if asia would accept GMO golden rice, it would prevent over a billion cases of malnurisment its not sensationalism, the crops are modified to grow with all the nutrients and vitamins that kids need to grow, without these sources, over a billion children in asia will grow up with preventable cronic illnesses brought about by the lack of specific vitamins in their diet

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;43233658]Actually, I got a challenge Yawmwen, please provide one very good example of GMO fucking over a bunch of people. And please don't quote one of those dumbass pseudoscientific bullshit greenpeace-esque websites either.[/QUOTE] i never said that gmo was particularly harmful. i'm saying that this sort of thing should have been done before gmo even hit the markets in the usa. [editline]19th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;43233678]Isn't genetic engineering actually something that existed you know? for hundreds of thousands of years? probably not nearly on the same level as today but Christ.[/QUOTE] no it isn't.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43233664]the animals would basically be taking [b]unusable forms of energy and converting them into human-usuable energy and nutrients.[/b] but we don't do that. we farm food to feed animals to feed humans and it's inefficient[/QUOTE] are you saying that the land that cows graze on is apparently unable to grow crops such as corn or potatoes? because that's what you just implied.

[QUOTE=Sableye;43233690]if asia would accept GMO golden rice, it would prevent over a billion cases of malnurisment[/QUOTE] this isn't about russian golden rice.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43233697]i never said that gmo was particularly harmful. i'm saying that this sort of thing should have been done before gmo even hit the markets in the usa. [editline]19th December 2013[/editline] no it isn't.[/QUOTE] Please point out then, one downside to GMO. Besides, "its not natural" cause humans by their very nature live very unnaturally. I'll point out some benefits. They grow faster. Easier to manage. Higher yields.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43233538]if we stopped eating meat we would be able to feed more.[/QUOTE] doubt it, but if you are so concerned about land and meat production, have no fear. tank produced meat will probably be viable in only a few years, at which point it will be banned by protestors like you because its "unnatural" even though its benefits will be obvious [editline]19th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;43233721]this isn't about russian golden rice.[/QUOTE] its everything about golden rice, its the crop that is being rejected by asian countries, russia included

[QUOTE=Sableye;43233725]doubt it, but if you are so concerned about land and meat production, have no fear. tank produced meat will probably be viable in only a few years, at which point it will be banned by protestors like you because its "unnatural" even though its benefits will be obvious[/QUOTE] this exact reason is why Stem cell research is also being slowed.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43233706]are you saying that the land that cows graze on is apparently unable to grow crops such as corn or potatoes? because that's what you just implied.[/QUOTE] a lot of land isn't optimal for growing crops but is acceptable for grazing animals. [editline]19th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Jetblack357;43233723]Please point out then, one downside to GMO. Besides, "its not natural" cause humans by their very nature live very unnaturally. I'll point out some benefits. They grow faster. Easier to manage. Higher yields.[/QUOTE] the downside is that they are created by corporations that are known for bribing the usda and fda so any potential dangers of a particular genetic engineering technique won't be noticed until [i]after[/i] people are hurt by it.

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;43233723]Please point out then, one downside to GMO. Besides, "its not natural" cause humans by their very nature live very unnaturally. I'll point out some benefits. They grow faster. Easier to manage. Higher yields.[/QUOTE] I can't help but notice your argument doesn't contain "is safe"

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43233749]a lot of land isn't optimal for growing crops but is acceptable for grazing animals.[/QUOTE] You know, thats kinda why we have technology today. We can make a lot of unuse-able areas, use-able. And again, its still easier to produce the food to feed the animals, rather than give them the gigantic fucking space required to free-range.

[quote]"Consumption and use of GMOs obtained in such way can lead to tumors, cancers and obesity among animals," Ermakova said.[/quote] wow this source is totally biased... if i inject a rabit with metric shittons of sugar itd obviously grow tumors, it doesn't even make any sense how GMOs would be able to cause cancer in the organisms that consume them, theres no evidence that they produce carcinogens to begin with

[QUOTE=Greenen72;43233766]I can't help but notice your argument doesn't contain "is safe"[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, its also safe. Please show me where GMOs have been killing people.

[QUOTE=J!NX;43233747]this exact reason is why Stem cell research is also being slowed.[/QUOTE] eh stem cell was banned because lobbiests convinced people that only babies carried stem cells so you needed to kill fetuses to do research, then it turned out that any cells, adult fat cells included could be turned into stem cells, but ya the perception still exists there dragging down the entire process