Holocaust Memorial Day 2016: Soaring anti-Semitism in Europe 'the reality Jews have to live in' - Polidicks

[QUOTE]According to a report presented to the Israeli government earlier in January, anti-Semitism in Europe has reached its highest levels in decades. More than half of French Jews are considering emigrating, while the number of incidents targeting Jews in London rose by 61% in 2015 (483 in the 12-month period to November 2015, up from 299 in the same period in 2014).[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Similar concerns have been raised in Germany, where Jews are hiding their religious identities when volunteering at refugee shelters for fear of discrimination. Speaking at the opening of a Holocaust art exhibition in Berlin ahead of the memorial day, Chancellor Angela Merkel said the German leadership needed to learn lessons from history to help the country adapt to the more than a million asylum seekers who arrived in the country in 2015.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]"I will tell you what I repeat constantly. We can always argue about the actual level of anti-Semitism in Europe and lot of people try to minimise the problem. But what is known and taken for a fact is that most – if not all – Jewish schools and synagogues in Europe are protected. This should speak for itself."[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Noemie Lopian Bornstein, the daughter of Holocaust survivor Dr Ernst Israel Bornstein, who recently translated his memoir into English for the first time, warned "Europe is once again allowing Jew hatred to spread".[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/holocaust-memorial-day-2016-soaring-anti-semitism-europe-reality-jews-have-live-1540390"]Source[/URL]

[QUOTE]According to a report presented to the Israeli government earlier in January, anti-Semitism in Europe has reached its highest levels in decades. More than half of French Jews are considering emigrating, while the number of incidents targeting Jews in London rose by 61% in 2015 (483 in the 12-month period to November 2015, up from 299 in the same period in 2014).[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Although there is limited research on the scale of anti-Semitism in the Arab world, a Pew Research Center study from 2011 found less than 10% of those polled across seven predominantly Muslim countries had a positive opinion of Jews.[/QUOTE] Its an interesting situation that European Jews are in. European governments are bringing in millions of migrants from the Islamic world that absolutely despise Jews. Which has empowered nationalists that also generally hate Jews.

I'm interested in where this antisemitism is coming from. I wonder if people are tired of feeling bad for stuff like WWII and the inverse took over as a result. It's just a thought that isn't based on anything, but I always thought it would loop like that in somewhere like Germany, who has had historic troubles with the government unable to move on past the whole Nazi thing.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49648212]I'm interested in where this antisemitism is coming from. I wonder if people are tired of feeling bad for stuff like WWII and the inverse took over as a result. It's just a thought that isn't based on anything, but I always thought it would loop like that in somewhere like Germany, who has had historic troubles with the government unable to move on past the whole Nazi thing.[/QUOTE] Obviously it's the Muslim migrants, because one event 70 years ago has clearly eradicated over a thousand years of antisemitism. No way it could ever come back.

[QUOTE=Fayez;49648240]Obviously it's the Muslim migrants, because one event 70 years ago has clearly eradicated over a thousand years of antisemitism. No way it could ever come back.[/QUOTE] You're delusional if you think the Arabs still shouldn't be held accountable for anti sentimism

[QUOTE=Fayez;49648240]Obviously it's the Muslim migrants, because one event 70 years ago has clearly eradicated over a thousand years of antisemitism. No way it could ever come back.[/QUOTE] Arabs and Nazis generally both hate Jews.

[QUOTE=Tarver;49648255]You're delusional if you think the Arabs still shouldn't be held accountable for anti sentimism[/QUOTE] When did I say that? [QUOTE=Rangergxi;49648267]Arabs and Nazis generally both hate Jews.[/QUOTE] And so did most of Europe up untill 70 years ago, and thank you for the generalization. Most Arabs hate Jews, yup. That explains the soaring antisemitism rates in America. Oh wait.

I'm willing to bet that Europe has a lot more Islamic/Arab anti-semitism than Far-Right antisemitism. [QUOTE]Most Arabs hate Jews, yup. That explains the soaring antisemitism rates in America. Oh wait. [/QUOTE] Anti-semitism is a massive problem in the Islamic world... where most Arabs live. So, yeah, most Arabs hate Jews. "soaring anti-semitism rates in America" because America is at all relevant to this conversation? Is there some kind of North America-Europe anti-semite hivemind?

[QUOTE=Fayez;49648302]That explains the soaring antisemitism rates in America. Oh wait.[/QUOTE] Source?

[QUOTE=Fayez;49648302]Most Arabs hate Jews, yup.[/QUOTE] people who were born and raised in arabian countries were born and raised in an environment in which antisemitism is a cultural institution propagated both by the government and by the people. of course it isn't like it is inherent in the genetic makeup that is known as "arabian" but it is well-known in the cultural makeup of the area [editline]31st January 2016[/editline] the anti-semitism rates had been rising since before 2014, and while the influx of people from the arabian peninsula probably isn't helping that statistic it certainly is not the sole cause

the irony of hearing this on a forum that has casually traded in blatantly antisemitic jokes since LMAO pics first started

[QUOTE=Fayez;49648302]That explains the soaring antisemitism rates in America. Oh wait.[/QUOTE] The fact that groups other than arabs can be anti-semitic doesn't somehow mean that arabs aren't anti-semitic. The history of Islam is a mixed book but the Israel thing by itself probably creates anti-semitism. [QUOTE=Kommodore;49648368]the irony of hearing this on a forum that has casually traded in blatantly antisemitic jokes since LMAO pics first started[/QUOTE] Jokes are jokes. You can make a disparaging joke that generalizes a group of people without hating that group.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49648369]The fact that groups other than arabs can be anti-semitic doesn't somehow mean that arabs aren't anti-semitic. The history of Islam is a mixed book but the Israel thing by itself probably creates anti-semitism.[/QUOTE] a lot of it also comes from nazism, as well. before they came along there wasn't the seething hatred that is ingrained in the culture that we see today, at least as far as i am aware. for the longest time they were tolerated if not entirely treated as equals, but a lot of that changed after nazi propaganda

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49648369] Jokes are jokes. You can make a disparaging joke that generalizes a group of people without hating that group.[/QUOTE] how convenient

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49648368]the irony of hearing this on a forum that has casually traded in blatantly antisemitic jokes since LMAO pics first started[/QUOTE] Uh, Jews are hardly fleeing europe because of antisemitic jokes. The internet makes fun of everyone, there's a difference between joking about happy merchant bullshit and legitimately hating and attacking Jews.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49648369] Jokes are jokes. You can make a disparaging joke that generalizes a group of people without hating that group.[/QUOTE] The saying "Any community that gets it's laughs by pretending to be idiots will soon find itself flooded by idiots thinking they're in good company" comes to mind.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;49648385]Uh, Jews are hardly fleeing europe because of antisemitic jokes. The internet makes fun of everyone, there's a difference between joking about happy merchant bullshit and legitimately hating and attacking Jews.[/QUOTE] so it's not anti-semitism unless you throw a rock at someone and on top of that we can make a big exception for "the internet" top shelf answers tonight

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49648412]so it's not anti-semitism unless you throw a rock at someone and on top of that we can make a big exception for "the internet" top shelf answers tonight[/QUOTE] I never said anything close to that at all? But if you can't see the difference between literally throwing rocks at people and sharing stupid memes on the internet and how vastly different the associated threats of those actions are, then you're fucking blind.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49648360]people who were born and raised in arabian countries were born and raised in an environment in which antisemitism is a cultural institution propagated both by the government and by the people. of course it isn't like it is inherent in the genetic makeup that is known as "arabian" but it is well-known in the cultural makeup of the area [editline]31st January 2016[/editline] the anti-semitism rates had been rising since before 2014, and while the influx of people from the arabian peninsula probably isn't helping that statistic it certainly is not the sole cause[/QUOTE] Thank you, I was trying to get this across. [QUOTE=soulharvester;49648358]Source?[/QUOTE] It was a rhetorical question. [QUOTE=Rangergxi;49648369]The fact that groups other than arabs can be anti-semitic doesn't somehow mean that arabs aren't anti-semitic.[/QUOTE] Uh, what? What I was trying to say is that Arabs cannot be the sole blame for the rise in antisemitism. Europe treated Jews like trash for over a thousand years; it's impossible for it to go away after one horrific event. Are a whole lot of Arabs antisemitic? Hell yea, not bother denying that. We've directed our anger towards Israel towards our own people. But are a whole lot of Israelis Islamophobic? Yup. There are 1,697,570 Arabs in the U.S., and I haven't seen reports of a rise in antisemitism.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49648368]the irony of hearing this on a forum that has casually traded in blatantly antisemitic jokes since LMAO pics first started[/QUOTE] My cousin and I share racist jokes with each other all the time. He's black so I made black jokes, and he makes Mexican jokes. They're in jest so it isn't offensive. I can see what the difference is in your context though, because it isn't a group of friends that understand each others intentions in the same was as my cousin and I, but I don't think that it's always malicious and that there should be a threshold on when those jokes go overboard. Anything can be funny with execution and accommodations for the content of the joke. Basically it has to not suck as a joke. It isn't the Jewish aspect that is wrong. But maybe you're specifically talking about blatant examples I haven't seen.

[QUOTE=Fayez;49648448] There are 1,697,570 Arabs in the U.S., and I haven't seen reports of a rise in antisemitism.[/QUOTE] To be fair we tend not to accept fanatically driven people through our immigration programs, Europe doesn't have that luxury right at the moment. Although I also think there's a definite tie to worsening public opinion of Israel and antisemitism in general, to disassociate migrants as a factor is irrational.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49648368]the irony of hearing this on a forum that has casually traded in blatantly antisemitic jokes since LMAO pics first started[/QUOTE] So do you get offended any time anyone jokes about anything horrible?

[QUOTE=Viper_;49648494]So do you get offended any time anyone jokes about anything horrible?[/QUOTE]you saying anti-semetic jokes are not anti-semetic?

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49648577]you saying anti-semetic jokes are not anti-semetic?[/QUOTE] But it's like saying anyone who made a 9/11 joke can't be outraged when Al Qaeda bombs a school.

[QUOTE=Viper_;49648639]But it's like saying anyone who made a 9/11 joke can't be outraged when Al Qaeda bombs a school.[/QUOTE]no it's not? A 9/11 joke isn't specifically based in wholly negative cultural stereotypes, rooted from literal anti-semetism

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49648212]I'm interested in where this antisemitism is coming from. I wonder if people are tired of feeling bad for stuff like WWII and the inverse took over as a result. It's just a thought that isn't based on anything, but I always thought it would loop like that in somewhere like Germany, who has had historic troubles with the government unable to move on past the whole Nazi thing.[/QUOTE] The last very huge antisemitic wave we had was when Israel started the last Gaza war and people were to dumb to make a difference between Israel and Jews living here.

[QUOTE=Killuah;49648739]The last very huge antisemitic wave we had was when Israel started the last Gaza war and people were to dumb to make a difference between Israel and Jews living here.[/QUOTE] Interestingly many (the majority? (Don't think there are any numbers, just going from what I've seen)) who protested against that were Arabs, shouting things like "gas the jews" And like in every thread about this topic: " watch the "walking through Paris as a jew"-video and observe

Interestingly that's a load of anecdotal bullshit.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49648713]no it's not? A 9/11 joke isn't specifically based in wholly negative cultural stereotypes, rooted from literal anti-semetism[/QUOTE] Fine then, laughing at Dave Chappelle doesn't forbid me from being outraged at real world racism towards blacks.

[QUOTE=Viper_;49648798]Fine then, laughing at Dave Chappelle doesn't forbid me from being outraged at real world racism towards blacks.[/QUOTE]dave chappelle jokes have more nuance than a repetition of stereotypical images created by the far right n the actual Nazis, the basis of the humor is anti-semetic regardless of offence.