Pope Francis: "I don't think it is right to equate Islam with violence." - Polidicks

[url]http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/pope-refuses-to-equate-islam-with-violence/article/471444[/url] [quote]Pope Francis said Sunday that Islam could not be equated with terrorism and warned Europe was pushing its young into the hands of extremists."It's not true and it's not correct (to say) Islam is terrorism," he told journalists aboard the papal plane during the return journey from a trip to Poland.[/quote] if anyone knows how badly fundamentalism can be, its the top dog of the catholic church

Sucks how many deaf ears this will fall on, what with the majority of christians being protestant (correct me if I'm wrong, please), and even some catholics choosing not to listen to the man who, according to their faith, is THE VOICE OF GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. Sad times we live in. At least Francis said it, that's a step that needed to be taken.

Good. We need big people saying this so we can finally rid people of ridiculous xenophobic opinions.

[QUOTE=Disgruntled;50808637]Sucks how many deaf ears this will fall on, what with the majority of christians being protestant (correct me if I'm wrong, please), and even some catholics choosing not to listen to the man who, according to their faith, is THE VOICE OF GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. Sad times we live in. At least Francis said it, that's a step that needed to be taken.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50808642]Good. We need big people saying this so we can finally rid people of ridiculous xenophobic opinions.[/QUOTE] It would except there is an awful lot of "Fuck the new pope" Catholics out there.

This guy's gonna win the Nobel Peace Prize one day.

Wow the POPE sure has controversial opinions eh guys? Next he'll tell me MURDER is WRONG.

I wouldn't be surprised if in the coming years, we see a new Anti-Pope arise, and have another split in the Catholic Church. This pacifist approach it has been going on with for the last hundred or so years, is starting to really piss off people who feel the church is not protecting the faith from other religions. Also this quote really ticks me off: [quote][B]"If I have to talk about Islamic violence I have to talk about Christian violence. Every day in the newspapers I see violence in Italy, someone kills his girlfriend, another kills his mother-in-law, and these are baptised Catholics."[/B][/quote] Big difference papa: Most of those "baptized Catholics" are not doing it in the name of Christ or God. All these terrorist attacks in the recent months though? All done in the name of Mohammad, for the establishment of the [B]Islamic[/B] Caliphate, or because their book states that they have the free-will to enslave, rape, and kill those of other faiths! They are doing it in the name of their religion or religious sect, while all those examples of Catholics doing violence are actual cases of fuckwads going around killing family members. We know those types will have eternal damnation, but why must we ignore the current black flag hordes which are actively attacking members of the Christian faith and the ideas which we used to build our civilization? I apologize if I sound a bit irritated, but this is up there for some of the worse ways he could of worded something. I

Pffft, what the fuck does the Pope, the infallible mouth piece of God, know?

[QUOTE=Dr.C;50808740]Pffft, what the fuck does the Pope, the infallible mouth piece of God, know?[/QUOTE] This is a very weird sentiment. You wouldn't be making the same argument if you disagreed with his position.

i think it's hilarious that people in his position have done things that isis could only imagine, so he really doesn't have the right to say that.

[QUOTE=Pops;50808757]i think it's hilarious that people in his position have done things that isis could only imagine, so he really doesn't have the right to say that.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, because some people in his position were bad he instantly has no right to do good things.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50808735]I wouldn't be surprised if in the coming years, we see a new Anti-Pope arise, and have another split in the Catholic Church. This pacifist approach it has been going on with for the last hundred or so years, is starting to really piss off people who feel the church is not protecting the faith from other religions. Also this quote really ticks me off: Big difference papa: Most of those "baptized Catholics" are not doing it in the name of Christ or God. All these terrorist attacks in the recent months though? All done in the name of Mohammad, for the establishment of the [B]Islamic[/B] Caliphate, or because their book states that they have the free-will to enslave, rape, and kill those of other faiths! They are doing it in the name of their religion or religious sect, while all those examples of Catholics doing violence are actual cases of fuckwads going around killing family members. We know those types will have eternal damnation, but why must we ignore the current black flag hordes which are actively attacking members of the Christian faith and the ideas which we used to build our civilization? I apologize if I sound a bit irritated, but this is up there for some of the worse ways he could of worded something. I[/QUOTE] cause he personally understands what happens if you have an overflow of paranoia. it reminds him of a time when the catholic church wasn't in a good state hes pointing out the same way a lot of scum in his faith will resort to using it to justify their actions, he knows what majority of ISIS are: just bunch of gangster losers who had to resort to becoming religious extremists to convince themselves they're not going to hell orlando shooter was a loser that frequented gay night clubs as a patron nice attack beat his wife, got drunk frequently, and etc. pope francis isn't an idiot, he's a jesuit, these guys know politics & practicality more than other religious orders once ISIS is wiped out which is close seeing as they're surrounded from all sides and getting their prophecies wrecked, their death throes of desperate terror attacks to convince people they're relevant stop, and etc. he wants the church to be on the side that says "hey man, we promoted peace, join us dawgs" instead of "oops, maybe we went overboard"

[QUOTE=Pops;50808757]i think it's hilarious that people in his position have done things that isis could only imagine, so he really doesn't have the right to say that.[/QUOTE] You do realize it's what he said? He was including Catholicism, Islam, Buddhism, all religions, stating that there was a difference between their message, their followers, and what the extremists will twist that to.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;50808772] once ISIS is wiped out which is close seeing as they're surrounded from all sides and getting their prophecies wrecked[/QUOTE] i'm curious, where did you hear this?

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;50808772] orlando shooter was a loser that frequented gay night clubs as a patron [/QUOTE] This has been pretty much debunked for a while now.

[QUOTE=Pops;50808779]i'm curious, where did you hear this?[/QUOTE] they've lost fallujah [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-fallujah-iraq-liberated-islamic-state-daesh-iraqi-army-a7103931.html[/url] mosul is in preparations to be surrounded and become sieged [url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/19/islamic-state-braces-imminent-iraqi-siege-retake-mosul/87102304/[/url] US supported syrian forces & the actual syrian army are surrounding ISIS nearby [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/10/us-backed-syrian-opposition-forces-surround-isil-in-key-city-and/[/url] theres plenty of more articles detailing how ISIS has been losing terribly, but the tides have changed and everything is pointing toward a total collapse of ISIS, they're getting desperate. the only reason why they haven't been getting obliterated even harder is because they publicly use women and children as human shields so we can't drop bombs or rain down lead the terror attacks they're trying to do is an attempt to bluff the world they're still powerful despite being fucked in the ass from all sides

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50808735]I wouldn't be surprised if in the coming years, we see a new Anti-Pope arise, and have another split in the Catholic Church. This pacifist approach it has been going on with for the last hundred or so years, is starting to really piss off people who feel the church is not protecting the faith from other religions.[/QUOTE] that's ridiculous. no matter how pissed off people are, if their ultimate goal is protecting catholic faith, disregarding the pope himself is just about the most contradictory thing you could do if a shift does happen (it might already be happening), it will probably mean more focus on local religious institutions and churches. i just can't see a full fledged split

Radical Christianity groups probably don't get any bigger than twelve people. Radical Islam groups run numerous countries and rule over millions of people. You're lying to yourself if you don't see that there's a difference. And don't even start on "well Christians acted similarly a thousand years ago"-- yes, that's entirely true, but it also doesn't account for the fact that some people have morals/ethics that are hundreds of years apart from actual civilized society. There's no excuses for disgusting behavior like this.

[QUOTE=Disgruntled;50808637]Sucks how many deaf ears this will fall on, what with the majority of christians being protestant (correct me if I'm wrong, please), and even some catholics choosing not to listen to the man who, according to their faith, is THE VOICE OF GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. Sad times we live in. At least Francis said it, that's a step that needed to be taken.[/QUOTE] Nah. 1.2 billion Catholics, just 800 mil protestants.

[QUOTE=Monkah;50809180]Radical Islam groups run numerous countries and rule over millions of people.[/QUOTE] I seriously doubt that. In those countries, perhaps but hardly ruling the countries themselves.

[QUOTE=Monkah;50809180]Radical Christianity groups probably don't get any bigger than twelve people. Radical Islam groups run numerous countries and rule over millions of people. You're lying to yourself if you don't see that there's a difference. And don't even start on "well Christians acted similarly a thousand years ago"-- yes, that's entirely true, but it also doesn't account for the fact that some people have morals/ethics that are hundreds of years apart from actual civilized society. There's no excuses for disgusting behavior like this.[/QUOTE] Wow, are you ignorant. Don't think there are Christian terrorists or huge, evil Christian theocracies? You should look at some African countries.

[QUOTE=archangel125;50809195]Wow, are you ignorant. Don't think there are Christian terrorists or huge, evil Christian theocracies? You should look at some African countries.[/QUOTE]I think that the fact that there's an entire region of the planet that'll behead you for homosexuality is a slightly bigger concern than [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#Contemporary"]the 'Central African Republic'[/URL] which seems to be the only actual Christian terrorist state on the topic's dedicated Wikipedia page.

[QUOTE=Monkah;50809222]I think that the fact that there's an entire region of the planet that'll behead you for homosexuality is a slightly bigger concern than [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#Contemporary"]the 'Central African Republic'[/URL] which seems to be the only actual Christian terrorist state on the topic's dedicated Wikipedia page.[/QUOTE] Islam is not the problem. Extremism is. As I said earlier, if Christianity went through what Islam has been through then it'd have just as many extremists. Islam is not to blame- violent interpretations of it are.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50809233]Islam is not the problem. Extremism is. As I said earlier, if Christianity went through what Islam has been through then it'd have just as many extremists. Islam is not to blame- violent interpretations of it are.[/QUOTE] No, Islam is entirely to blame-- the book very clearly states many passages in which extremist violence, as well as generally shitty and morally awful actions are permissible. [I]Muslims[/I] aren't to blame, because they specifically haven't done anything wrong. Criticizing the religion for undoubtedly being one of the most violent and specifically clear of remaining practiced religions isn't xenophobic in any way. Regardless, it's undeniable that there's a rightful correlation between Islam and extremism. It doesn't exist due to media propaganda and sensationalization, it exists because Radical Islam is currently massive in comparison to radical sects of other religions. It exists because people are putting their holy book before they're putting common sense and morality. It exists because people in these countries are desperate, and when people get desperate, they generally tend to turn to religion for answers. That doesn't mean that there's even close to as much Radical Christianity or Radical Judaism, though.

Islam contains violent text and passages that call for violence. It requires an extreme amount of delusion to say that Islam is not a violent religion.

Theres no such thing as a violent 'interpretation' because its clearly written in parts of the book. the Quran never got a new testament like many faiths did. back in the 'old days' there was as much extremism on christianities side as there was on islams. the difference is that hundreds of years later, the new testament came out, teaching more about equality and peace rather than eye for an eye and stoning people to death. but islam never got that. now im not gonna say that islam is a militant religion, or that muslims are bad, because they aren't, but it is a lot easier to interpret and use the words of the quran for nefarious goals instead of the bible.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;50809277]Islam contains violent text and passages that call for violence. It requires an extreme amount of delusion to say that Islam is not a violent religion.[/QUOTE] Islam is no worse then Christianity in this regard. For example Deuteronomy 13 from the Bible: "6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. [B]Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people[/B]".

[QUOTE=xbax;50809301]Islam is no worse then Christianity in this regard. For example Deuteronomy 13 from the Bible: "6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. [B]Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people[/B]".[/QUOTE] You're taking it out of context. Not within the verse, but in the context of the whole Bible. The New Testament overrules the Old Testament, that's why Christian terrorists are nowhere near as big (though still existent) a problem as Islamic terrorism. I haven't read the Koran myself so I don't know if they have anything similar that overrides what is said.

[QUOTE=Monkah;50809180]Radical Christianity groups probably don't get any bigger than twelve people. Radical Islam groups run numerous countries and rule over millions of people. You're lying to yourself if you don't see that there's a difference. And don't even start on "well Christians acted similarly a thousand years ago"-- yes, that's entirely true, but it also doesn't account for the fact that some people have morals/ethics that are hundreds of years apart from actual civilized society. There's no excuses for disgusting behavior like this.[/QUOTE] "it doesnt count when we did it because i say so" islam is going through the same growing christianity did back during those old days, it hopefully will improve for the better like christianity did its super easy to say that its not the same, but its much easier for christians when they captured most the world

[QUOTE=xbax;50809301]Islam is no worse then Christianity in this regard. For example Deuteronomy 13 from the Bible: "6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. [B]Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people[/B]".[/QUOTE] The difference is that Christians stopped actually taking any of their holy books seriously about 500 years ago.