Turkish officials caught discussing planning a false flag attack in Syria - oops!
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[quote]Part 1 of the audio - [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-1GooSDwJ8[/URL][1]
Turkey war room secrets revealed: Turkish authorities wants to create a casus belli for Syria intervention.
In the leaked tape,
[B]Foreign Minister Ahmet Davudoğlu[/B]
[B]Head of Turkish Intelligence MIT Hakan Fidan[/B]
[B]Undersecretary of Foreign Ministry Feridun Sinirlioğlu[/B]
[B]General Yaşar Güler[/B]
search for a reason (and wants to create one if the search is not fruitful) to declare war against Syria. The leakage has two parts, the latter is yet to be translated to English. Here is the first part.
Başçalanın Seçim Güdümlü Savaş Planı 1-1
ELECTION DRIVEN WAR PLANS – I PART 1 [B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: “Prime Minister said that in current conjuncture, this attack (on Suleiman Shah Tomb) must be seen as an opportunity for us.”
[B]Hakan Fidan[/B]: “I’ll send 4 men from Syria, if that’s what it takes. I’ll make up a cause of war by ordering a missile attack on Turkey; we can also prepare an attack on Suleiman Shah Tomb if necessary.”
[B]Feridun Sinirlioğlu[/B]: “Our national security has become a common, cheap domestic policy outfit.”
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: “It’s a direct cause of war. I mean, what’re going to do is a direct cause of war.”
[HR][/HR]FIRST SCREEN:
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: I couldn’t entirely understand the other thing; what exactly does our foreign ministry supposed to do? No, I’m not talking about the thing. There are other things we’re supposed to do. If we decide on this, we are to notify the United Nations, the Istanbul Consulate of the Syrian regime, right?
[B]Feridun Sinirlioğlu[/B]: But if we decide on an operation in there, it should create a shocking effect. I mean, if we are going to do so. I don’t know what we’re going to do, but regardless of what we decide, I don’t think it’d be appropriate to notify anyone beforehand.
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: OK, but we’re gonna have to prepare somehow. To avoid any shorts on regarding international law. I just realized when I was talking to the president (Abdullah Gül), if the Turkish tanks go in there, it means we’re in there in any case, right?
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: It means we’re in, yes.
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: Yeah, but there’s a difference between going in with aircraft and going in with tanks…
SECOND SCREEN:
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: Maybe we can tell the Syrian consulate general that, ISIL is currently working alongside the regime, and that place is Turkish land. We should definitely…
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: But we have already said that, sent them several diplomatic notes.
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: To Syria…
[B]Feridun Sinirlioğlu[/B]: That’s right.
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: Yes, we’ve sent them countless times. Therefore, I’d like to know what our Chief of Staff’s expectations from our ministry.
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: Maybe his intent was to say that, I don’t really know, he met with Mr. Fidan.
[B]Hakan Fidan[/B]: Well, he did mention that part but we didn’t go into any further details.
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: Maybe that was what he meant… A diplomatic note to Syria?
[B]Hakan Fidan[/B]: Maybe the Foreign Ministry is assigned with coordination…
THIRD SCREEN:
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: I mean, I could coordinate the diplomacy but civil war, the military…
[B]Feridun Sinirlioğlu[/B]: That’s what I told back there. For one thing, the situation is different. An operation on ISIL has solid ground on international law. We’re going to portray this is Al-Qaeda, there’s no distress there if it’s a matter regarding Al-Qaeda. And if it comes to defending Suleiman Shah Tomb, that’s a matter of protecting our land.
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: We don’t have any problems with that.
[B]Hakan Fidan[/B]: Second after it happens, it’ll cause a great internal commotion (several bombing events is bound to happen within). The border is not under control…
[B]Feridun Sinirlioğlu[/B]: I mean, yes, the bombings are of course going to happen. But I remember our talk from 3 years ago…
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: Mr. Fidan should urgently receive back-up and we need to help him supply guns and ammo to rebels. We need to speak with the minister. Our Interior Minister, our Defense Minister. We need to talk about this and reach a resolution sir.
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: How did we get specials forces into action when there was a threat in Northern Iraq? We should have done so in there, too. We should have trained those men. We should have sent men. Anyway, we can’t do that, we can only do what diplomacy…
[B]Feridun Sinirlioğlu[/B]: I told you back then, for God’s sake, general, you know how we managed to get those tanks in, you were there.
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: What, you mean our stuff?
[B]Feridun Sinirlioğlu[/B]: Yes, how do you think we’ve managed to rally our tanks into Iraq? How? How did manage to get special forces, the battalions in? I was involved in that. Let me be clear, there was no government decision on that, we have managed that just with a single order.
FOURTH SCREEN:
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: Well, I agree with you. For one thing, we’re not even discussing that. But there are different things that Syria can do right now.
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: General, the reason we’re saying no this operation is because we know about the capacity of those men.
[B]Yaşar Güler:[/B] Look, sir, isn’t MKE (Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation) at minister’s bidding? Sir, I mean, Qatar is looking for ammo to buy in cash. Ready cash. So, why don’t they just get it done? It’s at Mr. Minister’s command.
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: But there’s the spot we can’t act integratedly, we can’t coordinate.
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: Then, our Prime Minister can summon both Mr. Defence Minister and Mr. Minister at the same time. Then he can directly talk to them.
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: We, Mr. Siniroğlu and I, have literally begged Mr. Prime Minster for a private meeting, we said that things were not looking so bright.
FIFTH SCREEN:
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: Also, it doesn’t have to be crowded meeting. Yourself, Mr. Defence Minister, Mr. Interior Minister and our Chief of Staff, the four of you are enough. There’s no need for a crowd. Because, sir, the main need there is guns and ammo. Not even guns, mainly ammo. We’ve just talked about this, sir. Let’s say we’re building an army down there, 1000 strong. If we get them into that war without previously storing a minimum of 6-months’ worth of ammo, these men will return to us after two months.
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: They’re back already.
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: They’ll return to us, sir.
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: They’ve came back from… What was it? Çobanbey.
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: Yes, indeed, sir. This matter can’t be just a burden on Mr. Fidan’s shoulders as it is now. It’s unacceptable. I mean, we can’t understand this. Why?
SIXTH SCREEN:
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: That evening we’d reached a resolution. And I thought that things were taking a turn for the good. Our…
[B]Feridun Sinirlioğlu[/B]: We issued the MGK (National Security Council) resolution the day after. Then we talked with the general…
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: And the other forces really do a good follow up on this weakness of ours. You say that you’re going to capture this place, and that men being there constitutes a risk factor. You pull them back. You capture the place. You reinforce it and send in your troops again.
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: Exactly, sir. You’re absolutely right.
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: Right? That’s how I interpret it. But after the evacuation, this is not a military necessity. It’s a whole other thing.
SEVENTH SCREEN
[B]Feridun Siniroğlu[/B]: There are some serious shifts in global and regional geopolitics. It now can spread to other places. You said it yourself today, and others agreed… We’re headed to a different game now. We should be able to see those. That ISIL and all that jazz, all those organizations are extremely open to manipulation. Having a region made up of organizations of similar nature will constitute a vital security risk for us. And when we first went into Northern Iraq, there was always the risk of PKK blowing up the place. If we thoroughly consider the risks and substantiate… As the general just said…
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: Sir, when you were inside a moment ago, we were discussing just that. Openly. I mean, armed forces are a “tool” necessary for you in every turn.
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: Of course. I always tell the Prime Minister, in your absence, the same thing in academic jargon, you can’t stay in those lands without hard power. Without hard power, there can be no soft power.
EIGTH SCREEN
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: Sir.
[B]Feridun Sinirlioğlu[/B]: The national security has been politicized. I don’t remember anything like this in Turkish political history. It has become a matter of domestic policy. All talks we’ve done on defending our lands, our border security, our sovereign lands in there, they’ve all become a common, cheap domestic policy outfit.
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: Exactly.
[B]Feridun Siniroğlu[/B]: That has never happened before. Unfortunately but…
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: I mean, do even one of the opposition parties support you in such a high point of national security? Sir, is this a justifiable sense of national security?
Feridun Sinirlioğlu: I don’t even remember such a period.
NINTH SCREEN:
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: In what matter can we be unified, if not a matter of national security of such importance? None.
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: The year 2012, we didn’t do it 2011. If only we’d took serious action back then, even in the summer of 2012.
[B]Feridun Sinirlioğlu[/B]: They were at their lowest back in 2012.
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: Internally, they were just like Libya. Who comes in and goes from power is not of any importance to us. But some things…
[B]Yaşar Güler[/B]: Sir, to avoid any confusion, our need in 2011 was guns and ammo. In 2012, 2013 and today also. We’re in the exact same point. We absolutely need to find this and secure that place.
[B]Ahmet Davutoğlu[/B]: Guns and ammo are not a big need for that place. Because we couldn’t get the human factor in order…•
[HR][/HR]
BBC - [B]Turkey 'blocks YouTube access[/B]
Turkey blocks access to YouTube, a day after a court ordered a suspension of a ban on Twitter which the PM supports
[URL]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26773702[/URL][5]
The Daily Star - [B]Turkey bans YouTube after Syria war leak[/B]
Turkey banned YouTube Thursday, hours after an anonymous account on the site posted what it said was an audio recording of Turkey's intelligence chief discussing possible military operations in Syria with the foreign minister and the deputy head of the armed forces.
[URL]http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Mar-27/251455-turkey-bans-youtube-after-syria-war-leak.ashx?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#axzz2xB1dgOrJ[/URL]
[/quote]
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/27/us-syria-crisis-turkey-idUSBREA2Q17420140327[/url]
Stole the format and translation from a reddit I frequent.
[QUOTE=Feridun Sinirlioğlu] That’s what I told back there. For one thing, the situation is different. An operation on ISIL has solid ground on international law. We’re going to portray this is Al-Qaeda, there’s no distress there if it’s a matter regarding Al-Qaeda. And if it comes to defending Suleiman Shah Tomb, that’s a matter of protecting our land.
Yaşar Güler: We don’t have any problems with that.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hakan Fidan]Hakan Fidan: “I’ll send 4 men from Syria, if that’s what it takes. I’ll make up a cause of war by ordering a missile attack on Turkey; we can also prepare an attack on Suleiman Shah Tomb if necessary.”[/QUOTE]
If these quotes don't make people question everything, then I don't know what will.
It looks like Turkey's goose is cooked.
Also this is going on soon after Turkey got ancy and shot down a Syrian plane that just barely scraped into their border. Note that the Syrian plane was bombing militants, a decent amount of them "unsavory" ones by western terms, who freely sprung the offensive across the Turkish border into Syrian Latakia. There's also videos of Syrian militants freely walking around the border post.
As an example of some of the rebels involved here is them after overrunning a hilltop position.
Two elite Chechens are their leadership and coordinators.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POTMoZKvw4g[/media]
And is it a coincidence that turkey banned youtube? I think not...
Also I'm never one of those people to perpetuate the often fake "false flag" shit or conspiracy theories but this all seems legit.
Quite a doozy how far the rabbit hole actually goes.
[editline]27th March 2014[/editline]
Does anyone know why when I go to edit the OP the post shows as blank?
It doesn't do that when I edit regular posts only the OPs in threads.
[QUOTE=Aman;44374244]Also I'm never one of those people to perpetuate the often fake "false flag" shit or conspiracy theories but this all seems legit.
Quite a doozy how far the rabbit hole actually goes.
[editline]27th March 2014[/editline]
Does anyone know why when I go to edit the OP the post shows as blank?
It doesn't do that when I edit regular posts only the OPs in threads.[/QUOTE]
Same thing happened to me in the "Youtube blocked in Turkey" thread.
If I'm predicting and judging this right this is gonna be big over there. Erdogan is fucking done after this he will be thrown out.
Having your administration caught red handed planning a false flag attack on a sovereign country, caught supporting and supplying militants directly and indirectly, harboring said militants, and on top of that once this is revealed pulling the plug on half the internet to try and contain it?
Doing all of this try and and solidify his position in an election and garner support through covert means.
I don't see him recovering at all.
Any Turks of FP, am I being too sane and hopeful? You'd think this would be worth literally killing a president over.
Nevermind apparently he has quite the following. Oh well RIP Turkey.
[QUOTE=Aman;44374244]
Does anyone know why when I go to edit the OP the post shows as blank?
It doesn't do that when I edit regular posts only the OPs in threads.[/QUOTE]
It's the "şç" and other shit like that. It breaks the forum.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;44374509]It's the "şç" and other shit like that. It breaks the forum.[/QUOTE]
I've had it happen a lot before though. Pretty much any thread I create I have it happen, doesn't matter what characters.
[QUOTE=Aman;44374451]If I'm predicting and judging this right this is gonna be big over there. Erdogan is fucking done after this he will be thrown out.
Having your administration caught red handed planning a false flag attack on a sovereign country, caught supporting and supplying militants, and on top of that once this is revealed pulling the plug on half the internet to try and contain it?
I don't see him recovering at all.[/QUOTE]
Hopefully he doesn't.
Just imagine if all of this went undiscovered, there would be war, and nobody would have a clue about what really happened.
Now if only people in turkey knew about it, since they are blocking all your internets over there.
[editline]27th March 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Aman;44374522]I've had it happen a lot before though. Pretty much any thread I create I have it happen, doesn't matter what characters.[/QUOTE]
as far as I know you can edit the OP for 55 seconds after you post it, after that time it is considered "your final answer" and locked in
[QUOTE=frozensoda;44374616]
as far as I know you can edit the OP for 55 seconds after you post it, after that time it is considered "your final answer" and locked in[/QUOTE]
That's stupid. I just wanna fix up some formatting and layout.
[QUOTE=Aman;44374630]That's stupid. I just wanna fix up some formatting and layout.[/QUOTE]
it was a joke
I don't really know what causes it, and I am never able to edit my OP either so... sorry
Big question time, is this whole ordeal related to these stories?
[URL]http://www.worldbulletin.net/news/132160/turkey-fears-missing-trucks-may-be-used-by-isil-for-attacks[/URL]
[URL]http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?eid=142767&frid=23&seccatid=20&cid=23&fromval=1[/URL]
and does that mean that this: [URL]http://www.worldbulletin.net/turkey/132062/isil-deadline-for-turkish-pull-out-from-suleiman-shah-tomb-expires[/URL]
Is bullshit?
[QUOTE=Aman;44374522]I've had it happen a lot before though. Pretty much any thread I create I have it happen, doesn't matter what characters.[/QUOTE]
It also breaks if you copy and paste something that has "quotes" that wasn't made in FP, so copying something from bbc in quotations will break FP's editing
[quote]Following yesterday’s bombshell revelation of the false flag plot, the mainstream media reacted in unison by ignoring the shocking content of the actual dialogue and instead making the story about how Erdogan banned YouTube, without specifically explaining why it was banned.
Innumerable news outlets euphemistically described the tape as containing discussions about plans for Turkish “intervention” in Syria, mischaracterizing the context and censoring the fact that the tape was a brazen admission of high Turkish officials planning a staged provocation as a pretext to attack Syria.
Reuters even reported that the conversation, “appeared to centre on a possible operation to secure the tomb of Suleyman Shah,” when in reality the conversation is about attacking the tomb, not securing it.
A BBC News report about the tape said it “relates to a discussion of possible military operations in Syria,” completely omitting the fact that the tape is centered around Turkey attacking its own interests in a staged provocation.
A CNN report goes to great lengths in exploring how and why the audio tape was leaked while failing completely to mention its actual content.
An L.A. Times report states that the tape discusses “possible military intervention in Syria”. Although the article quotes some portions of the tape, it completely omits key sections where Turkish officials admit they plan to launch false flag attacks.
Although a Washington Post article about the leaked tape prints the full transcript, the actual report mischaracterizes it by asserting, “The officials mull whether to strike — or even use ground troops — against the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant, a jihadist group rooted in Syria.” The article fails to mention anything about Turkish officials planning to “make up a cause for war” by launching an attack against their own country.
None of these major publications dared to reveal the actual core of the story – that the tape contains bombshell revelations of Turkish military and political officials planning attacks on their own country as a casus belli for war on Syria.[/quote]
The media blackout is actually pretty spooky.
What is also spooky and revealing is this quote:
[quote][B]Ahmet DAVUTOĞLU:[/B] They'd say, "well, you didn't even defend your own land". Many a times I've had amicable conversations with (John)Kerry, he asked me precisely about whether we've agreed on a final decision on this strike(the false flag)...[/quote]
Shows that the US [I]is[/I] actually willing and capable of doing shit like this.
[QUOTE=Aman;44388851]The media blackout is actually pretty spooky.
What is also spooky and revealing is this quote:
Shows that the US [I]is[/I] actually willing and capable of doing shit like this.[/QUOTE]
The U.S has been eager to get into this shit for a while.
Foreign men start tensions, your own men start wars.
If North Korea and South Korea are anything to go by, unless you kill a few thousand people, no war will start from a few bombed barracks these days.
Even with this video, there are people still believe that they are innocent. Even the government did not deny the tape was fake, that's why they blocked youtube immediately, without any court order, under "national security". As long as we retarded dumbasses in here. This will not change, unless Turkish army stops them. These guys are just voting them just because of they are making roads to everywhere, rebuild same roads again and again every 3 months... they are just dumfuks :suicide:
[QUOTE=Brkkn;44390873]Even with this video, there are people still believe that they are innocent. Even the government did not deny the tape was fake, that's why they blocked youtube immediately, without any court order, under "national security". As long as we retarded dumbasses in here. This will not change, unless Turkish army stops them. These guys are just voting them just because of they are making roads to everywhere, rebuild same roads again and again every 3 months... they are just dumfuks :suicide:[/QUOTE]
Most of those "believers" are actually uneducated granmas and grandads.
[QUOTE=AhoyMate;44393169]Most of those "believers" are actually uneducated granmas and grandads.[/QUOTE]
And most of them are in payroll.
Let's all feel sad for the poor Syrian government and military who never what did nobody any harm no how. Why can't everyone just let Syria murder hundreds of thousands of their own people in peace? I mean...who are they hurting anyway? ...besides you know...the people they're murdering on practically a genocidal scale.
It's funny how much they protest America and blame their problems on the evil white Satan while they murder more Muslim men, women and children themselves than the U.S. could ever match.
Why does this have to come off as a surprise? It's regular business hours 24/7.
Yeah, the media blackout goes to show how crooked journalism is so common.
Where are the muckrackers and investigative journalists!?
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