• Trayvon Martin Case: New video shows no blood or bruises on Zimmerman
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[url]http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3PDjNW2bT4[/url] [release]A police surveillance video taken the night that Trayvon Martin was shot dead shows no blood or bruises on George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who says [b]he shot Martin after he was punched in the nose, knocked down and had his head slammed into the ground.[/b] The surveillance video, which was obtained exclusively by ABC News, shows Zimmerman arriving in a police cruiser. As he exits the car, his hands are cuffed behind his back. Zimmerman is frisked and then led down a series of hallways, still cuffed. Zimmerman, 28, is wearing a red and black fleece and his face and head are cleanly shaven. [b]He appears well built, hardly the portly young man depicted in a 2005 mug shot that until a two days ago was the single image the media had of Zimmerman.[/b] The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose, and after medical attention it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel in a police cruiser to the Sanford, Fla., police station for questioning. His lawyer later insisted that Zimmerman's nose had been broken in his scuffle with 17-year-old Martin. In the video an officer is seen pausing to look at the back of Zimmerman's head, but [b]no abrasions or blood can be seen in the video and he did not check into the emergency room following the police questioning.[/b][/release] Full article in source. Well, I really don't believe Zimmerman's story at all at this point. I think he was either someone of a low intelligence who thought he could do something, or just "HURR DURR I'M A SELF APPOINTED VIGILIANTE" scum.
Holy shit this keeps going back and forth doesn't it. Oh, and there is blood on the back of his head. [url]http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475[/url] 1:07. Fairly glad I actually went through my way to grab the video of the footage. Now we can have proper opinions rather than those who speak entirely out their assholes.
Was kinda expecting that to be a load of nonsense, does this mean the supposed witnesses that saw him bloodied are in legal trouble?
So will this be able to be used as further evidence that he did not use reasonable force? Or will it only be able to be used to discredit him. [QUOTE=Laferio;35338153]Oh, and there is blood on the back of his head.[/QUOTE] I disagree, that doesnt look like blood, more just the lighting. Blood would be a lot darker. [QUOTE=Elspin;35338158]Was kinda expecting that to be a load of nonsense, does this mean the supposed witnesses that saw him bloodied are in legal trouble?[/QUOTE] Probably not, witness accounts are never taken as 100% anyway because they often don't remember what they saw properly. It has been proven that if an officer asks leading questions, it can force a witness to change their story entirely and completely believe something that never happened, which I wouldn't be suprised at considering how the police handled this case so far.
Why did he have to wear a red jacket? I was focusing more on his clothes. If he was beaten as much as he says he was, surely some of the blood would have dripped onto them.
[QUOTE=Elspin;35338158]Was kinda expecting that to be a load of nonsense, does this mean the supposed witnesses that saw him bloodied are in legal trouble?[/QUOTE] His lawyer should be in big fucking trouble. The witness being a liar is one thing, but the lawyer lying about it is very different.
[QUOTE=Laferio;35338153]Holy shit this keeps going back and forth doesn't it. Oh, and there is blood on the back of his head. [/QUOTE] it actually isnt going back and forth if you just take the stance that you aren't going to listen to the police because they're obviously just manipulating witnesses (very easy considering how eyewitnesses are actually almost completely unreliable in the best of circumstances) in order to cover up their fuckup + also ignore the dumb media backlash circus which have subsumed dumb, irrelevant bullshit like Treyvon Martin's twitter account and his parents trademark request into it's swirling vortex of recursive trendosphere hate fuck hate hate hate fuck
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35338277]it actually isnt going back and forth if you just take the stance that you aren't going to listen to the police because they're obviously just manipulating witnesses (very easy considering how eyewitnesses are actually almost completely unreliable in the best of circumstances) in order to cover up their fuckup + also ignore the dumb media backlash circus which have subsumed dumb, irrelevant bullshit like Treyvon Martin's twitter account and his parents trademark request into it's swirling vortex of recursive trendosphere hate fuck hate hate hate fuck[/QUOTE] Are you kidding? Police wanted to press charges on zimmerman but the DA will not let them. Police have been wanting to charge him.
I'm not even going to try and understand this case anymore. It always seems like there's always new evidence which invalidates other evidence.
Ugh, looks like the news has nothing better to drone on about.
[QUOTE] In the video an officer is seen pausing to look at the back of Zimmerman's head, but [b]no abrasions or blood can be seen in the video and he did not check into the emergency room following the police questioning.[/QUOTE] Why would you check into an ER for a little cut?
He was treated at the scene by paramedics so I don't understand what exactly this video proves if you can't see blood on his face? Not to mention the quality is not the best and you can't really get a detailed look at his nose or his back because of the angle. It seems that a lot of people are getting too attached to their original opinions of what they think happened and this thread seems to be an example of confirmation bias. There isn't enough information about what happened in this incident, and no reason right now to take any other position than a neutral one. There's too much personal speculation, biased opinions, and logical fallacies going on here. Like this part in the OP: [quote]I think he was either someone of a low intelligence who thought he could do something, or just "HURR DURR I'M A SELF APPOINTED VIGILIANTE" scum.[/quote]
[QUOTE=TestECull;35338421]Why would you check into an ER for a little cut?[/QUOTE] that brings the validity of zimmerman's testimony into question - if there's little to no blood or abrasions (and his nose isn't broken, as testified by his lawyer), then there is substantial evidence that martin didn't attack him and that this was a racially-motivated attack both sides are rather empty-handed presently, given the fact that different evidence supporting both sides has cropped up recently, albeit very vague [editline]28th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Noble;35338432]He was treated at the scene by paramedics so I don't understand what exactly this video proves if you can't see blood on his face? Not to mention the quality is not the best and you can't really get a detailed look at his nose or his back because of the angle. It seems that a lot of people are getting too attached to their original opinions of what they think happened and this thread seems to be an example of confirmation bias. There isn't enough information about what happened in this incident, and no reason right now to take any other position than a neutral one. There's too much personal speculation, biased opinions, and logical fallacies going on here. Like this part in the OP:[/QUOTE] biased opinion is redundant by your logic, everyone's opinion is biased, which is also your own opinion therefore, your opinion is inherently biased as well
well he was treated at the scene by paramedics, I don't think they would of taken him back bloodied. Its hard to see injuries in blurry CCTV footage. But if it has been a lie looks like his lawyer and a number of other people are in deep shit for falsifying evidence.
[QUOTE=Laferio;35338153]Holy shit this keeps going back and forth doesn't it. Oh, and there is blood on the back of his head. [url]http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475[/url] 1:07. Fairly glad I actually went through my way to grab the video of the footage. Now we can have proper opinions rather than those who speak entirely out their assholes.[/QUOTE] What blood? Oh, you mean that 4 pixel dot on the back of his head that appears for one second when the lighting angle changes? I'm pretty sure that's called a shadow. The ceiling light is in the middle of the room, and the back of his head at that second is at an angle such that details / bumps on the back of the head would be exaggerated. Especially since his head faces the same angle with respect to the camera at several other points in the video, but we don't see anything at those points. Also, the officer pays no attention to it, which they probably would if he was bleeding. Besides, if he really slammed his head against the concrete and started bleeding, there would be a whole fucking lot more blood than that, considering it's his [I]head[/I]. Hell, I think I've bled more from particularly large [I]zits[/I]. Also, where the fuck are the grass stains? Weren't they supposed to be all over his back? I do admit that that "abc exclusive" watermark bar is fucking annoying, though.
[QUOTE=SystemGS;35338479] biased opinion is redundant by your logic, everyone's opinion is biased, which is also your own opinion therefore, your opinion is inherently biased as well[/QUOTE] Umm... no. All I care about is the facts and solid evidence of what happened. People are cherry picking bits of the evidence that fit their personal speculation of what happened, that's what I'm talking about when I say someone is being biased. I have not taken a position on either side of this issue right now because there isn't very much solid evidence available. No one should be in a rush to condemn someone based on just their emotions and speculation of an event of which we have very few proven facts available.
Also bruises take a while to appear, it depends on how hard you've been hit. I've gotten in a brawl before and got hit hard, I had a really good knot show up almost instantly and the next day I had a nice bruise. Just people want to grasp at straws, it so funny at the amount of bullshit that is going on and facts that are being misconstrued. So much stupidity, so much racism, so many generalizations, misinformation, etc. My head is spinning.
There's another interesting article in the one posted in the OP, detailing how [url=http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-arrest-now-abc-reveals-crucial-phone/story?id=15959017]Martin was talking to his girlfriend, and how she picked up the initial conversation before the fighting[/url]. [quote] Martin had been talking to his girlfriend all the way to the store where he bought Skittles and a tea. The phone was in his pocket and the earphone in his ear, Crump said. "He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man," Martin's friend said. "I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run, but he said he was not going to run." Eventually, he would run, said the girl, thinking that he'd managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin. "Trayvon said, 'What are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again, and he didn't answer the phone." The line went dead. Besides screams heard on 911 calls that night as Martin and Zimmerman scuffled, those were the last words he said. [/quote]
[QUOTE=Last or First;35338581]What blood? Oh, you mean that 4 pixel dot on the back of his head that appears for one second when the lighting angle changes? I'm pretty sure that's called a shadow. The ceiling light is in the middle of the room, and the back of his head at that second is at an angle such that details / bumps on the back of the head would be exaggerated. Especially since his head faces the same angle with respect to the camera at several other points in the video, but we don't see anything at those points. Also, the officer pays no attention to it, which they probably would if he was bleeding. Besides, if he really slammed his head against the concrete and started bleeding, there would be a whole fucking lot more blood than that, considering it's his [I]head[/I]. Hell, I think I've bled more from particularly large [I]zits[/I]. Also, where the fuck are the grass stains? Weren't they supposed to be all over his back? I do admit that that "abc exclusive" watermark bar is fucking annoying, though.[/QUOTE] ahaha you have no idea what you're talking about do you.
I didn't see much blood, but the Officer looked at something on the back of his head so I do think he was cut at least
I think I see a dent or mark on the back of his head. The video is really of too low quality to really tell at all though.
[QUOTE=TestECull;35338421]Why would you check into an ER for a little cut?[/QUOTE] Because the brain is located in the head, so if you start bleeding from the head, it's generally a good idea to see a Doctor to make sure that it is just a cut and nothing more serious.
[QUOTE=MR-X;35338288]Are you kidding? Police wanted to press charges on zimmerman but the DA will not let them. Police have been wanting to charge him.[/QUOTE] If they want to charge him then why have they been working so hard to make him look innocent? Maybe some of them do, but there's some serious corruption going on here.
[QUOTE=MBB;35339134]I think I see a dent or mark on the back of his head. The video is really of too low quality to really tell at all though.[/QUOTE]If you have a dent in your skull, you should most certainly seek medical attention.
if anyone wants to claim they know what it looks like to be beaten, you fucking don't if this dude was really beaten and his nose was broken, there would be blood stains and blood crust around his nose, mouth, and his shirt would most likely be covered in blood as well. the type of blunt trauma that would cause bleeding from a head would instantly appear as deep red to deep purplish pools of blood on his face. i had my eyebrow split open from ONE punch, and it looked like i had just been showered in blood. this dude was not beaten. tl;dr i am a wrestler/grappler/mixed martial artist and have had my ass kicked too many times to count, he did not have his ass kicked tl;dr again NO GUN SHOULD'VE BEEN USED especially since he looks like he does decent in the physical appearance department... like seriously guys one good punch to my eyebrow and my eye had almost swollen shut, the front of my shirt was covered in blood, my face was leaking blood and instantly had started swelling...same type of shit goes for a broken nose. if he got it truly broken like he said he did ("flattened") dudes face would still have the stain of blood on it. when you get your nose really broken, it POURS blood. it's like a fountain. even instantly, the second it's broken, it explodes with blood. Trust me, a straight right hand to someone's nose is one of my favorite attacks, it looks like a volcano.
Now, the bigger question is: Why did the police not take pictures of Zimmerman on the scene? They are generally supposed to. Maybe they just haven't released the pictures to the public. [editline]29th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Noble;35338432]He was treated at the scene by paramedics so I don't understand what exactly this video proves if you can't see blood on his face? Not to mention the quality is not the best and you can't really get a detailed look at his nose or his back because of the angle. It seems that a lot of people are getting too attached to their original opinions of what they think happened and this thread seems to be an example of confirmation bias. There isn't enough information about what happened in this incident, and no reason right now to take any other position than a neutral one. There's too much personal speculation, biased opinions, and logical fallacies going on here. Like this part in the OP:[/QUOTE] Do the paramedics attest to this? If so, they are pretty much the ultimate source on whether Zimmerman was bloodied up or not, and how badly.
[QUOTE=Laferio;35338988]ahaha you have no idea what you're talking about do you.[/QUOTE] Oh, you're right, I'm sorry, I should have known that people don't bleed very much from their heads, especially not from hitting concrete. And that heads [url=http://hometestingblog.testcountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/bald-head.jpg]never[/url] [url=http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/1855930.jpg]have[/url] [url=http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/370363/370363,1290612325,2/stock-photo-photo-close-up-male-shaved-bald-head-65829202.jpg]creases[/url] that would look dark with certain lighting angles. And that broken noses don't bleed. And that grass stains are apparently fucking red. Oh wait no None of those things are true. The real question is, do [I]you[/I] even know what you're talking about?
[QUOTE=Last or First;35339609]Oh, you're right, I'm sorry, I should have known that people don't bleed very much from their heads, especially not from hitting concrete. And that heads [url=http://hometestingblog.testcountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/bald-head.jpg]never[/url] [url=http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/1855930.jpg]have[/url] [url=http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/370363/370363,1290612325,2/stock-photo-photo-close-up-male-shaved-bald-head-65829202.jpg]creases[/url] that would look dark with certain lighting angles. And that broken noses don't bleed. And that grass stains are apparently fucking red. Oh wait no None of those things are true. The real question is, do [I]you[/I] even know what you're talking about?[/QUOTE] The head doesn't normally bleed that much, does it? I've gotten lacerations and gashes on the top and back of my head before and they didn't bleed too much at all. I don't think there is a lot of blood movement outside your skull, since there isn't anything there except skin. Your face is another matter entirely, though.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;35338329]I'm not even going to try and understand this case anymore. It always seems like there's always new evidence which invalidates other evidence.[/QUOTE] Problem is, Zimmerman's defence has been going back and fourth, not Martin's. His has been consistent. Oh sorry, he MAY have sold pot to someone.
[QUOTE=Last or First;35339609]Oh, you're right, I'm sorry, I should have known that people don't bleed very much from their heads, especially not from hitting concrete. And that heads [url=http://hometestingblog.testcountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/bald-head.jpg]never[/url] [url=http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/1855930.jpg]have[/url] [url=http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/370363/370363,1290612325,2/stock-photo-photo-close-up-male-shaved-bald-head-65829202.jpg]creases[/url] that would look dark with certain lighting angles. And that broken noses don't bleed. And that grass stains are apparently fucking red. Oh wait no None of those things are true. The real question is, do [I]you[/I] even know what you're talking about?[/QUOTE] actually yeah, you don't bleed much around the back of your head/scalp. I can't exactly say personal experience, but seeing as you've got the experience of being dropped on your head I can see where you're coming from.
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