• Moringa The Miracle Plant
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[img]http://www.themoringa.com/images/Moringa_tree2.jpg[/img] [b]What is Moringa?[/b] [thumb]http://api.ning.com/files/j3zhgGI5ZNjg20Km1fb82br6d4nz121ffo*6mwLpg6WSvmvejF4yj*Aj4XqWLpO7wbGX*tjMPfd5uCaqJl0nkuPE4*CMVjHu/Moringaleavespodsandflowers.jpg[/thumb] Moringa,also known as the 'Horseradish" tree or the 'Drumstick tree', is a tree indiginous to tropical and subtropical parts of the globe. Moringa is a very fast growing tree which has leaves, seeds, flowers, and pods which can be eaten. The Moringa tree is highly acclaimed for its immense nutritional content when compared with just about every other food. This superfood can be compared with seaweed as it is arguably one of the most nutritional things to grow on our planet. Several spoons of Moringa is enough to satisfy most of your Calcium, Iron, potassium, Vitamin C, A, and E, for the day. Not to mention even a bit of protein! [b]Nutritional Content[/b] [img]http://i.imgur.com/Nnov68x.png[/img] [b]The Seeds[/b] [img]http://www.themoringa.com/images/moringa_seeds.png[/img] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWXZ47P_2BY[/media] An index of relevant studies can be found [url="http://scholar.google.ca/scholar?hl=en&q=moringa&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp="]here.[/url] [b]Why should I care?[/b] In modern society not only are we deprived of the time to eat fully nutritional meals, but even the meals themselves are often deprived of content. Having a couple of trees on your property can give you a cheap way to make sure you and your loved ones are getting all the nutrition they need. This tree can be grown in most climates, although the colder ones may need a little special attention. Even if you yourself are not in need of nutrition, there are many in the world who do. Tell people about this plant and maybe we can return to being a healthy society. Ironically enough this plant grows in Africa where there is a massive malnutrition problem. So go out and buy some seeds! Your health will thank you! Save that, just spread the word of this amazing plant!
Looks like those poop pellets
[img]http://www.stochasticgeometry.ie/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/snakeoil.jpg?w=257[/img] Forgot your banner OP. [editline]23rd August 2013[/editline] Lmao look: [url]http://www.moringa.rubiconhealth.org/moringa-oil/[/url] [img]http://www.moringa.rubiconhealth.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Moringa-Oil-picture-300x209.png[/img] [quote][b]MORINGA OIL FOR BEAUTIFUL SKIN[/b] Moringa oil’s possible benefits include: skin care and rejuvenation wrinkle reduction and skin blemish removal (contains 4 times the collagen of Carrot Oil) when used as a massage oil, may help relieve fatigue in the muscles helps maintain stronger and healthier hair when rubbed on the head may help to reduce hair loss when rubbed on the head may help relieve headaches contains antiseptic and anti-inflammatory properties, which help heal minor skin complaints such as cuts, bruises, burns, insect bites, rashes and scrapes quickly effective on snake and insect bites to help reduce swelling and itchiness and remove poisons[/quote] I'm literally laughing.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;41935157][thumb]http://www.stochasticgeometry.ie/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/snakeoil.jpg?w=257[/thumb] Forgot your banner OP.[/QUOTE] Take your unfounded claims elsewhere Sobotnik. This is a well studied plant. How and what people do to market it is a different story. I am promoting the actual plant. Go buy seeds from ebay or craigslist or something if you are worried about some unilateral snake oil corporation.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41935197]Take your unfounded claims elsewhere Sobotnik. This is a well studied plant. How and what people do to market it is a different story. I am promoting the actual plant. Go buy seeds from ebay or craigslist or something if you are worried about some unilateral snake oil corporation.[/QUOTE] Your actual source is that very website, which makes dubious claims about it curing baldness, headaches, snake bites and skin care.
Have you ever actually eaten this stuff OP?
Best of all is their disclaimer! [url]http://www.moringa.rubiconhealth.org/[/url] [quote]Disclaimer: All material is provided for your information and education only and may not be construed as medical advice or instruction, or claims of any kind. No action or inaction should be taken based solely on the contents of this information; instead, readers should consult appropriate health professionals on any matter relating to their health and well-being. [/quote] Basically "yeah we just heavily imply it's great". If it is such an important plant? Why have I never heard of it before? I have read on the agricultural revolution and all the varied crops. Maize, Wheat, Barley, oats, Rice, Manioc, Potatoes. Clover, Turnips, carrots. Why is it that this plant was quietly ignored despite existing for over thousands of years and apparently being is so beneficial?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;41935238]Your actual source is that very website, which makes dubious claims about it curing baldness, headaches, snake bites and skin care.[/QUOTE] My source? I used that site because it had convenient pictures. There are a hundred more just like it. There are also people who just sell seeds. Either way you are attacking something that I am not even claiming to. It's like if I were to attack coconuts because someone made a powder that supposedly turns stuff into gold out of coconuts. This is of course stupid because coconuts have nothing to do with the marketing of said product. [editline]22nd August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;41935279]Best of all is their disclaimer! [url]http://www.moringa.rubiconhealth.org/[/url] [/quote] Well anyone who isn't a doctor but recommends plants (Ie a naturopath) is legally required to say that it is only a suggestion and not a prescription. [quote] Why is it that this plant was quietly ignored despite existing for over thousands of years and apparently being is so beneficial?[/QUOTE] I notice you didn't mention Cassava? Interesting that you wouldn't mention such a widely eaten African plant. No I haven't eaten any myself yet, I still am growing the seeds.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41935301]My source? I used that site because it had convenient pictures. There are a hundred more just like it. There are also people who just sell seeds. Either way you are attacking something that I am not even claiming to. It's like if I were to attack coconuts because someone made a powder that supposedly turns stuff into gold out of coconuts. This is of course stupid because coconuts have nothing to do with the marketing of said product.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zenreon117;41934725]An index of relevant studies can be found [url="http://www.moringa.rubiconhealth.org/studies/"]here.[/url][/QUOTE] Your source is that very same webshite. The site which makes fantastic claims such as "take 2 teaspoons a day" without even bothering to show a single doctor which advises this. [editline]23rd August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zenreon117;41935301]I notice you didn't mention Cassava? Interesting that you wouldn't mention such a widely eaten African plant.[/QUOTE] It's from South America and it's named Manioc. The reason why it's not a great staple crop is because you will have a protein deficiency if your diet mostly consists of them. South Americans had this problem all the time and it's partly why they didn't develop sophisticated agricultural practices and in turn complex societies. They had no secure and stable source of protein. Plus there's the fact that it has to be extensively processed to prevent cyanide poisoning and it rots quickly.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;41935336]Your source is that very same webshite. The site which makes fantastic claims such as "take 2 teaspoons a day" without even bothering to show a single doctor which advises this.[/QUOTE] UGH. Please go away Sobotnik. You are nitpicking at something without doing any research. It is a plant, and it is known but not mainstream. What is so impossible to believe about that? Here: Google Scholar search for [url="http://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=moringa+peer+reviewed+studies&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=S9QWUtvMNoXAigLh3YHIBg&ved=0CCoQgQMwAA"]"Moringa Peer Reviewed Studies"[/url] Now please, please do some research before attacking something just cause I posted it. I know it makes you horribly uncomfortable, but just try.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41935377]UGH. Please go away Sobotnik. You are nitpicking at something without doing any research. It is a plant, and it is known but not mainstream. What is so impossible to believe about that? Here: Google Scholar search for [url="http://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=moringa+peer+reviewed+studies&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=S9QWUtvMNoXAigLh3YHIBg&ved=0CCoQgQMwAA"]"Moringa Peer Reviewed Studies"[/url] Now please, please do some research before attacking something just cause I posted it. I know it makes you horribly uncomfortable, but just try.[/QUOTE] No, I'm not denying that it's a useful plant. I'm calling bullshit on your exaggeration of its benefits and reliance on shit sources. [img]http://www.themoringa.com/images/Newcompering.jpg[/img] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moringa_oleifera#Leaves[/url] (Common food to left, Morgina to the right) [quote]Vitamin C Orange 53 mg 52 mg[/quote] Shit, it's actually identical. How did the figure inflate by a factor of 7? [quote]Vitamin A as beta-carotene Carrot 8.3 mg 0.4 mg[/quote] Holy shit did you just fuck up? Carrots have over 20 times as much vitamin A. [quote]Calcium Milk 300 mg 185 mg[/quote] Jesus Christ, milk contains nearly twice as much calcium. [quote]Potassium Banana 358 mg 337 mg[/quote] And Bananas have slightly more potassium as well. [quote]Protein Yogurt 8 g 9.4 g[/quote] Oh finally, one that's showing a clear winner. Well, minus the fact it exaggerated that they contain double the protein rather than "slightly more". [quote]Some of the calcium in moringa leaves is bound as crystals of calcium oxalate[15] though at levels 25-45 times less than that found spinach, which is a negligible amount.[/quote] FUCK.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;41935450] FUCK.[/QUOTE] I was going off these stats for my own information; [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moringa[/url] [quote] The leaves are rich in protein, vitamin A, vitamin B, vitamin C and minerals.[3] 100g of fresh Moringa leaves have 8.3 g protein, 434 mg calcium, 404 mg potassium, 738 μg vitamin A, and 164 mg vitamin C[4][/quote]
can you smoke it
and [url]http://laura.soleateam.com/uploads/3/0/9/5/3095803/moringa_information.pdf[/url] [quote]Any readers who are familiar with Moringa will recognize the oft-reproduced characterization made many years ago by the Trees for Life organization, that “ounce-for-ounce, Moringa leaves contain more Vitamin A than carrots, more calcium than milk, more iron than spinach, more Vitamin C than oranges, and more potassium than bananas,” and that the protein quality of Moringa leaves rivals that of milk and eggs. These readers will also recognize the oral histories recorded by Lowell Fuglie in Senegal and throughout West Africa, who reports (and has extensively documented on video) countless instances of lifesaving nutritional rescue that are attributed to Moringa (47,48).[/quote]
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41935481]I was going off these stats for my own information; [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moringa[/url][/QUOTE] But that's nowhere fucking near this: [img]http://www.themoringa.com/images/Newcompering.jpg[/img] Look for fucks sake. What you quoted simply does not match this picture. The very picture you used in the OP to state the nutritional content of the leaves is factually incorrect. Both Wikipedia sources disagree with the picture.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;41935555]But that's nowhere fucking near this: [img]http://www.themoringa.com/images/Newcompering.jpg[/img] Look for fucks sake. What you quoted simply does not match this picture. The very picture you used in the OP to state the nutritional content of the leaves is factually incorrect. Both Wikipedia sources disagree with the picture.[/QUOTE] Your right, that picture sucks. I was looking for one on google images and thats what came up, it then allowed me use some of the other pictures and links. Also according to "Trees for Life" which is the one refered to in my previous citation. [code] Moringa leaves compared to common foods Values per 100gm. edible portion Nutrient Moringa Leaves Other Foods Vitamin A 6780 mcg Carrots: 1890 mcg Vitamin C 220 mg Oranges: 30 mg Calcium 440 mg Cow's milk: 120 mg Potassium 259 mg Bananas: 88 mg Protein 6.7 gm Cow's milk: 3.2 gm from Nutritive Value of Indian Foods, by C. Gopalan, et al.[/code] [url]http://www.treesforlife.org/our-work/our-initiatives/moringa/nutritional-information[/url]
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41935544]and [url]http://laura.soleateam.com/uploads/3/0/9/5/3095803/moringa_information.pdf[/url][/QUOTE] [url]http://laura.soleateam.com/[/url] I'm going to initially ignore the source (which makes the same bollocks claims not supported by wikipedia). [quote]As with many reports of the nutritional or medicinal value of a natural product, there are an alarming number of purveyors of “healthful” food who are now promoting M. oleifera as a panacea. While much of this recent enthusiasm indeed appears to be justified, it is critical to separate rigorous scientific evidence from anecdote.[/quote] [quote]In fact, the nutritional properties of Moringa are now so well known that there seems to be little doubt of the substantial health benefit to be realized by consumption of Moringa leaf powder [b]in situations where starvation is imminent.[/b][/quote] It is advocating this to be consumed when all other sources have failed, this is a fallback plant in times of hunger. [quote]Unfortunately, many of these reports of efficacy in human beings are not supported by placebo controlled, randomized clinical trials, nor have they been published in high visibility journals. For example, on the surface a report published almost 25 years ago (141) appears to establish Moringa as a powerful cure for urinary tract infection, but it provides the reader with no source of comparison (no control subjects).[/quote] Your own source is starting to say "slow the fuck down". [quote]The proof required by modern medicine has not been realized because neither the prevention of cancer nor the modification of relevant biomarkers of the protected state has been adequately demonstrated in human subjects.[/quote] Fucking wow. I took the liberty of looking at the sources of the sources as well. [url]http://www.tfljournal.org/article.php/20051201124931586[/url] (Copy of the paper) [quote]These readers will also recognize the oral histories recorded by Lowell Fuglie in Senegal and throughout West Africa, who reports (and has extensively documented on video) countless instances of lifesaving nutritional rescue that are attributed to Moringa (47,48).[/quote] [quote]Fuglie LJ (1999) The Miracle Tree: Moringa oleifera: Natural Nutrition for the Tropics. Church World Service, Dakar. 68 pp.; revised in 2001 and published as The Miracle Tree: The Multiple Attributes of Moringa, 172 pp. [url]http://www.echotech.org/bookstore/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Miracle+Tree[/url]. ANT AST CIR DET DIG INF NER NUT REP SKI Fuglie LJ (2000) New Uses of Moringa Studied in Nicaragua. ECHO Development Notes #68, June, 2000. [url]http://www.echotech.org/network/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=194[/url]. GEN NUT[/quote] Both sources are broken.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;41935696][url]http://laura.soleateam.com/[/url] I'm going to initially ignore the source (which makes the same bollocks claims not supported by wikipedia). [/quote] I'd like to interject that wikipedia should be supported by sources, not the other way around. [quote] It is advocating this to be consumed when all other sources have failed, this is a fallback plant in times of hunger.[/quote] It is not exclusively advocating that, he is stating that when someone has severe malnutrition, he will gain great health effects from this due to its nutritional value. That isn't to say that the nutrition dissapears when you are well fed. It is just part of a balanced diet that maintains your health when it is already up, I am not making any claims about it being some sort of heal-all or even a medicine. Just food. [quote] Your own source is starting to say "slow the fuck down". [/quote] Yeah, urinary tract infection, that has nothing to do with my OP about being fed well. [quote] Fucking wow. I took the liberty of looking at the sources of the sources as well. [url]http://www.tfljournal.org/article.php/20051201124931586[/url] (Copy of the paper) Both sources are broken.[/QUOTE] Again, I make no claim of it curing cancer. As far as the links being broken, IDK what to say, that sucks. It happens.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41935615]Your right, that picture sucks. I was looking for one on google images and thats what came up, it then allowed me use some of the other pictures and links.[/quote] Jesus Christ the backpedaling here is pathetic. If you can't differentiate between reality and fantasy, and make little effort to check, don't even bother with threads like these where you spread lies. [quote]from Nutritive Value of Indian Foods, by C. Gopalan, et al.[/QUOTE] Can you find this? I'm having difficulty actually finding this paper itself. [editline]23rd August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zenreon117;41935753]I'd like to interject that wikipedia should be supported by sources, not the other way around.[/quote] Stop weaseling. You perfectly know what I mean. [quote]I am not making any claims about it being some sort of heal-all or even a medicine. Just food.[/quote] [quote]So go out and buy some seeds! Your health will thank you![/quote] [quote]Yeah, urinary tract infection, that has nothing to do with my OP about being fed well.[/quote] [quote]Tell people about this plant and maybe we can return to being a healthy society.[/quote] You also highlight your ignorance later by claiming the plant comes from Africa, when it is actually Asian in origin. [quote]As far as the links being broken, IDK what to say, that sucks. It happens.[/QUOTE] Then you must rely on our good friend: [quote]from Nutritive Value of Indian Foods, by C. Gopalan, et al.[/quote] But hang on! [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moringa_oleifera#Leaves[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moringa_oleifera#cite_note-13[/url] [quote]C. Gopalan, B. V. Rama Sastri, S. C. Balasubramanian (1989). Nutritive Value of Indian Foods. National Institute of Nutrition, Indian Council of Medical Research.[/quote] What the fuck is this? Somehow the source is giving different figures?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;41935756]Jesus Christ the backpedaling here is pathetic. Stop weaseling.[/quote] If you don't eat well your health goes down, and you become malnourished. Something doesnt have to heal you in order to benefit your health. Running doesn't heal you, eating well doesn't heal you. I didn't backpedal at all. Also I think I've found the rift you are so confused about. There is a difference between dried powdered leaves and fresh. [url]http://www.edlagman.com/moringa/moringa-fresh-leaf-vs-dried-leaf.pdf[/url] If you look to the chart you will clearly see the divide in the nutritional content when dried.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41934725] [b]Nutritional Content[/b] [code] Moringa leaves compared to common foods Values per 100gm. edible portion Nutrient Moringa Leaves Other Foods Vitamin A 6780 mcg Carrots: 1890 mcg Vitamin C 220 mg Oranges: 30 mg Calcium 440 mg Cow's milk: 120 mg Potassium 259 mg Bananas: 88 mg Protein 6.7 gm Cow's milk: 3.2 gm from Nutritive Value of Indian Foods, by C. Gopalan, et al.[/code][/QUOTE] This is still fucking wrong for fruits. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_(fruit)#Nutritional_value[/url] [quote]Vitamin C 53.2 mg[/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana#Nutrition_and_research[/url] [quote]Potassium 358 mg[/quote]
And this, boys and girls, is why you always [B]always[/B] [B][U]always[/U][/B] check your sources! I never thought I would say this, but good work Sobotnik
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41936006]I didn't backpedal at all.[/quote] Minus removing that blatantly false picture and making it slightly less blatantly false. [quote]Also I think I've found the rift you are so confused about. There is a difference between dried powdered leaves and fresh.[/quote] [url]http://www.edlagman.com/moringa/moringa-fresh-leaf-vs-dried-leaf.pdf[/url] [quote]If you look to the chart you will clearly see the divide in the nutritional content when dried.[/QUOTE] The figures given here do not match the chart you posted. All of your other sources are either broken or come from one which I don't have access to, but different websites are giving different figures.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;41936063]Minus removing that blatantly false picture and making it slightly less blatantly false. [url]http://www.edlagman.com/moringa/moringa-fresh-leaf-vs-dried-leaf.pdf[/url] If you look to the chart you will clearly see the divide in the nutritional content when dried. The figures given here do not match the chart you posted. All of your other sources are either broken or come from one which I don't have access to, but different websites are giving different figures.[/QUOTE] Different websites are giving different figures you say? Who would have thought. As far as the deleting of the image, I did that after I posted that you were right about it. What more do you want? All in all [quote="http://www.edlagman.com/moringa/moringa-fresh-leaf-vs-dried-leaf.pdf"][B]CONCLUSION [/B] Leaves and pods of Moringa Oleifera can be an extremely valuable source of nutrition for people of all ages. [/quote] I didn't expect this to become a nitpicking battle at the mg per serving.
Get a room you two
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41936096]Different websites are giving different figures you say? Who would have thought. As far as the deleting of the image, I did that after I posted that you were right about it. What more do you want? All in all I didn't expect this to become a nitpicking battle at the mg per serving.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/Nnov68x.png[/img] [quote]Vitamin A 6780 mcg Carrots: 1890 mcg Vitamin C 220 mg Oranges: 30 mg[/quote] [quote]One teaspoon of Moringa is enough to satisfy most of your Calcium, Iron, potassium, [b]Vitamin C, A,[/b] and E, for the day.[/quote] [quote]Drying should be done indoors and the leaf powder stored in opaque, well-sealed plastic container since sunlight will destroy Vitamin A. It is estimated that only 20-40% of Vitamin A content will be retained if leaves are dried under direct sunlight, but that 50-70% will be retained if leaves are dried in the shade.[/quote] You're better off eating oranges and carrots. Earlier you were claiming such bullshit that the plant had much more of those vitamins than carrots and oranges.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;41936150][img]http://i.imgur.com/Nnov68x.png[/img] You're better off eating oranges and carrots. Earlier you were claiming such bullshit that the plant had much more of those vitamins than carrots and oranges.[/QUOTE] While that may be true solely for Vitamin A and carrots, it is not true for fresh leaves and oranges. Furthermore Carrots do not also have all the rest of the nutrients that moringa has all in one package, the same can be said for any of the other common staples.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;41936189]While that may be true solely for Vitamin A and carrots, it is not true for fresh leaves and oranges. Furthermore Carrots do not also have all the rest of the nutrients that moringa has all in one package, the same can be said for any of the other common staples.[/QUOTE] Then why don't you re-edit the chart? (along with using the figures from the C. Gopalan source that Wikipedia uses). It's a useful plant, but you've exaggerated its importance.
here's a rule that will prevent these arguments from ever happening "anything labeled 'super food' is automatically exaggerated fantasy horseshit" goji berries, acai berries, [I]moringa[/I].... bam-diddly, cut and dry
There's only one miracle tree for me, baybee.
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