• Trump ‘University:’ Judge Orders Release Of Internal Documents
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[quote]A U.S. federal judge overseeing a lawsuit filed against Donald Trump ordered the release of internal documents of Trump University, a defunct online education program co-founded in 2005 by the presumptive Republican presidential nominee. The documents reportedly include "playbooks" regarding running the enterprise and how to sell programs to customers.[/quote] [quote]The class-action lawsuit, filed in 2014 by former Trump University customer Tarla Makaeff, claims the company scammed thousands of people who enrolled in a program by giving the impression it was an accredited academic institution. Some customers paid $35,000 to take seminars and become “elite” members, believing the program would help their careers in real estate.[/quote] [quote]"The trial is going to take place sometime in November. There should be no trial. This should have been dismissed on summary judgment easily; everybody says it. But I have a judge who is a hater of Donald Trump, a hater. He's a hater," Trump said of Curiel, CNN reported. "I could have settled this case many times, but I don't want to settle cases when we are right. I don't believe in it. And when you start settling cases, you know what happens? Everybody sues you because you get known as settler. One thing about me, I am not known as a settler."[/quote] source: [url]http://www.ibtimes.com/trump-university-judge-orders-release-internal-documents-know-more-about-trumps-2375574[/url] You can read more here: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University[/url] TL;DR: They called it a "university" and it had no accreditation. It was then renamed the "Trump Entrepreneur Initiative". [quote]A letter sent by the Deputy Commissioner for Higher Education, Joseph Frey, to Trump that was made public in April 2010 stated: "Use of the word 'university' by your corporation is misleading and violates New York Education Law and the Rules of the Board of Regents."[/quote] (from wikipedia) Interesting to note the current website has this: [img]http://trumpinitiative.com/login.jpg[/img] An image of a login screen. With no actual functional fields. Its just an image. (source: [url]http://trumpinitiative.com/[/url]) [editline]29th May 2016[/editline] There is another article that gives a great in depth explanation from some people that paid/attended: [url]http://www.newschannel10.com/story/32068804/trump-university-students-sound-off[/url]
OMG, TRUMP U. The most important thing ever. Who cares? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Dumb snipe" - postal))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=dmc12;50414687]OMG, TRUMP U. The most important thing ever. Who cares?[/QUOTE] This basically shows he was involved in a extremely fraudulent and misrepresented "education" establishment. Private universities and for-profit institutes have always had a lot of flack, but I can never recall seeing a case receive as much publicity as this will. When you're jobless and destitute these institutes come along and ask you to pay a fortune and promise all sorts of shit. It prays on the vulnerabilities of people who just want to either learn or make a better living for themselves. I attended a privately run education establishment for some time and although I learnt a lot because I put a lot in it was godawful. During a spout of unemployment I also had a bullshit establishment come along and promise the world (including a job at the end of it) in exchange for money. Fuck people who run these things and by extension fuck Trump. I sincerely hope he gets his reputation absolutely drawn through the mud over this shit.
[QUOTE=dmc12;50414687]OMG, TRUMP U. The most important thing ever. Who cares?[/QUOTE] As pointed out by icarus, this is quite an important insight into the man. He slapped his name on and vetted an institution that has been preying on people for a while and has been pointed out to be fraudulent several times over, to the point it's now facing legal repercussions. It doesn't look great for someone running for a position of power in a country to be caught with their pants wrapped rightly around their ankles like this. It shows awful decision making and a lack of trustworthiness. And this is really only the surface of scummy businesses and practices Trump has founded, endorsed and used.
[QUOTE=dmc12;50414687]OMG, TRUMP U. The most important thing ever. Who cares?[/QUOTE] As a man who would have control over the entire education system from the federal level, him running a fraudulent university and advocating for less regulation and more privatization is criminal
The biggest joke is how Trump resorts to calling the judge a "hater" because he couldn't buy shutting the judge up for once
[QUOTE=Sableye;50415315]As a man who would have control over the entire education system from the federal level, him running a fraudulent university and advocating for less regulation and more privatization is criminal[/QUOTE] He actually wouldn't have control of the Department of Education because he recommends getting rid of it entirely.
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;50415377]The biggest joke is how Trump resorts to calling the judge a "hater" because he couldn't buy shutting the judge up for once[/QUOTE] Yeah and now that judge is definitely not going to issue a judgement in favor of Trump in response to Trump bashing him.
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;50415377]The biggest joke is how Trump resorts to calling the judge a "hater" because he couldn't buy shutting the judge up for once[/QUOTE] He also called the Judge a Mexican. [quote]“The judge, who happens to be, we believe, Mexican, which is great, I think that’s fine,"[/quote]
And this guy is a strong contender for the presidency... Good thing I'm almost done with my government paid education.
[quote]In October 2014, a New York judge found Trump personally liable for operating the company without the required business license.[17] In February 2016, Trump suggested the lawsuit had benefited from the Hispanic ethnicity of the presiding judge.[19] Shortly thereafter Schneiderman described Trump's remarks as “racial demagoguery.”[20][/quote] [quote]Trump also filed a $1 million defamation suit against former Trump University student Tarla Makaeff, who had spent about $37,000 on seminars, after she joined the class-action lawsuit and publicized her classroom experiences on social media.[23][/quote] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University[/url] Incredible.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50415391]He actually wouldn't have control of the Department of Education because he recommends getting rid of it entirely.[/QUOTE] oh ya just like the department of the enviroment
our presidential choices are literal criminals, sik dude
[QUOTE=bob4life;50420439]our presidential choices are literal criminals, sik dude[/QUOTE] Thats pretty much the gist of it. These people have money, and they got money through means of capitalism which usually involves borderline illegal methods.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50418598][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University[/url] Incredible.[/QUOTE] Because [URL="http://www.98percentapproval.com/VIDEOS.html"]Tarla[/URL] and [URL="http://www.98percentapproval.com/SURVEYS.html"]everyone else said they liked the program[/URL]. But when the lawsuit appeared they all jumped on board just to get some free cash. Now this lawsuit is being funded and used for the sole purpose of discrediting Donald Trump.
lol stop using that trash "98% approved" shtick. [url]http://time.com/4246394/donald-trump-university-98-percent-approval-lawsuit/[/url] [url]http://www.factcheck.org/2016/03/trumps-defense-of-his-university/[/url]
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;50430341]Lol 10,000 surveys, are you a fucking troll lol?[/QUOTE] Did you check out those files? It's all there, solid evidence. And why would that girl be talking about how great Trump University is then suddenly change her mind...
[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;50414187] Interesting to note the current website has this: [img]http://trumpinitiative.com/login.jpg[/img] An image of a login screen. With no actual functional fields. Its just an image. (source: [url]http://trumpinitiative.com/[/url])[/QUOTE] This is hilarious, although i noticed that the page title is "offline." [editline]31st May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE]"The trial is going to take place sometime in November. There should be no trial. This should have been dismissed on summary judgment easily; everybody says it. But I have a judge who is a hater of Donald Trump, a hater. He's a hater," Trump said of Curiel, CNN reported. "I could have settled this case many times, but I don't want to settle cases when we are right. I don't believe in it. And when you start settling cases, you know what happens? Everybody sues you because you get known as settler. One thing about me, I am not known as a settler."[/QUOTE] I agree that he started speaking more conservatively for his campaign than he probably is, but when people say that he's smarter than he sounds? Naaaaaaah.
[QUOTE=orgornot;50433004]Did you check out those files? It's all there, solid evidence. And why would that girl be talking about how great Trump University is then suddenly change her mind...[/QUOTE] ah yes, the site, hosted by trump's people, says trump's business was all fine and dandy and that also the girl is a two faced liar [quote]Trump and his people have pushed the 98% narrative so aggressively that they established a website for it, 98percentapproval.com, where the surveys are posted. But even a quick review reveals multiple questionnaires filled out by people who attended free sessions. The more apparent inconsistency is that Covais–seeking to demonstrate that Trump University had an accommodating refund policy–declared that [B]the company had issued 2,144 refunds to 6,698 attendees of the $1,495 three-day program, or 32%[/B]. That [B]a third of the customers demanded refunds[/B] is hard to reconcile with a claimed 98% satisfaction rate, [B]especially since the mass of plaintiffs now suing claimed that they, too, wanted refunds but were, they claimed, told they could not get them because they did not ask for them within 72 hours of the first day of participating in a program.[/B] Similarly, the refund rate for the $34,995 program, which according to the lawsuits was tougher on giving money back, was 16%. If at least 31% of one group and 16% of the other were so instantly dissatisfied that they immediately demanded refunds, how could 98% have been satisfied?[/quote] on top of that, watch the tarla proof video, it's fucking surreal. It's like they were intentionally getting this kind of footage to cover their asses, 'hey we're interviewing the new people, tell us what you're excited about and what you've learned in the past couple days! Also what's your name. Tell us how excited you are, wait how do you spell your name? Your name is Tarla. Great, we need to have your name but you don't have a badge on, just need to make sure that's your name!" She seems excited to start learning shit, and she's being interviewed with some basic driving questions on camera so she's being all smiley and exciteable. That's great! but also means jack shit for what happened to her through the program, it's not like people innately understand they're being bled dry by a sham the instant they walk through the door
[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;50414729]This basically shows he was involved in a extremely fraudulent and misrepresented "education" establishment. Private universities and for-profit institutes have always had a lot of flack, but I can never recall seeing a case receive as much publicity as this will. When you're jobless and destitute these institutes come along and ask you to pay a fortune and promise all sorts of shit. It prays on the vulnerabilities of people who just want to either learn or make a better living for themselves. I attended a privately run education establishment for some time and although I learnt a lot because I put a lot in it was godawful. During a spout of unemployment I also had a bullshit establishment come along and promise the world (including a job at the end of it) in exchange for money. Fuck people who run these things and by extension fuck Trump. I sincerely hope he gets his reputation absolutely drawn through the mud over this shit.[/QUOTE] His reputation? I don't consider myself a Trump hater in the slightest and even I think this sounds totally normal by Trump standards. His reputation is already shit.
[url]http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/exclusive-law-firm-behind-trump-university-lawsuit-gave-big-money-to-the-clintons/[/url] [quote]Our analysis, using data first compiled by The Washington Post, found that Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd paid the Clintons a total of $675,000 in fees for speeches since 2009. Hillary Clinton gave a $225,000 speech at the law firm as recently as September 4, 2014. Bill Clinton also gave a speech for the same fee back in 2013, and another one in 2009 before the firm had been renamed (they used to be called Coughlin Stoia Geller Rudman & Robbins LLP). In fact, of the five law firms that paid for the Clintons to speak over the last few years, Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd paid out the most money.[/quote] We'll have to wait and see because the firm has something to gain and IMO wouldn't make much sense to make a "fraudulent educational establishement" this close to election, especially being as rich as he is. From what I'm reading the law it broke was having university in the title without accreditation? [editline]1st June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Maegord;50415624]He also called the Judge a Mexican.[/QUOTE] Poor form and it's gonna hurt his chances of winning the case but since he said Mexican and not Hispanic I think he was trying to correlate a bias because he talks all that shit about Mexico and protests against him have the Mexican flag everywhere
Now the documents are out: [quote]One sales manager for Trump University, Ronald Schnackenberg, recounted how he was reprimanded for not pushing a financially struggling couple hard enough to sign up for a $35,000 real estate class, despite his conclusion that it would endanger their economic future. He watched with disgust, he said, as a fellow Trump University salesman persuaded the couple to purchase the class anyway. “I believe that Trump University was a fraudulent scheme,” Mr. Schnackenberg wrote in his testimony, “and that it preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money.”[/quote] [quote]Within the documents made public Tuesday were internal employee guides encouraging customers with little money to pay for the tuition with their credit cards. “We teach the technique of using OPM ... Other People’s Money,” explained the internal instructions for salespeople. The documents pushed employees to exploit the emotions of potential customers. “Let them know you’ve found an answer to their problems,” read confidential instructions to salespeople. The most striking documents were written testimony from former employees of Trump University who said they had become disenchanted with the university’s tactics and culture. Corrine Sommer, an event manager, recounted how colleagues encouraged students to open up as many credit cards as possible to pay for classes that many of them could not afford.[/quote] source: [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/01/us/politics/donald-trump-university.html[/url] A direct look at some of the documents: [url]http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/06/01/us/politics/playbook-excerpt.html[/url]
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