David Cameron: Seven months to save the United Kingdom
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[quote]David Cameron has urged the rest of the UK to tell Scottish voters to reject independence saying he could not bear to see the country "torn apart".
Pro-Union campaigners had "seven months to save the most extraordinary country in history", the PM argued.
In an emotional speech, he spoke about his Scottish ancestry and said the referendum was "personal" to him.
But SNP leader Alex Salmond branded Mr Cameron a "big feartie" for not agreeing to a debate with him.[/quote]
I imagine Mr Cameron giving a speech is something which would galvanise Scots wanting independence.
It would do horrible things to his reputation and historical impact if he were to be prime minister during the breaking up of the Kingdom.
[QUOTE=Coppermoss;43822633]It would do horrible things to his reputation and historical impact if he were to be prime minister during the breaking up of the Kingdom.[/QUOTE]
The way things are going I don't doubt it happening during his time in Downing Street.
Rock on, Scotland.
[QUOTE=Coppermoss;43822633]It would do horrible things to his reputation and historical impact if he were to be prime minister during the breaking up of the Kingdom.[/QUOTE]
With what hes done to universities and what hes planning/trying to do to education and NHS I think he will be remembered for a long time.
I find it incredibly rich how he refuses to have a debate with Salmond stating that "he's not the leader of the anti-independence movement" when he pulls shit like this.
Maybe he should have spoken about the actual benefits of staying together, instead of trying to appeal to people's sense of tradition.
Because the independence party is doing that, and they're better at it.
I support the union, but for fuck's sake, there's better ways to argue for it than "but it'd make me sad! I'm scottish too (not really)"
What's a "feartie?"
[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;43823003]What's a "feartie?"[/QUOTE]
Means scared according to Google.
I thought he called him a "farty" which I thought would be much more effective.
[quote]But SNP leader Alex Salmond branded Mr Cameron a "big feartie" for not agreeing to a debate with him.[/quote]
A shining example of maturity. I'd expect nothing less from Salmond.
I think we should have a referendum on wether or not we want to have Scotland. Everyone knows its better to do the dumping. Hold a vote in a week and dump Scotland before they get the chance.
In this era of increased global unity and cooperation, it would be a complete step backward to be seceding from a union which has lasted over 300 years.
[QUOTE=Explosions;43823159]In this era of increased global unity and cooperation, it would be a complete step backward to be seceding from a union which has lasted over 300 years.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but it'll make the newly independent people feel better about themselves for five minutes before the ramifications kick in.
[QUOTE=Explosions;43823159]In this era of increased global unity and cooperation, it would be a complete step backward to be seceding from a union which has lasted over 300 years.[/QUOTE]
Well the idea is to still be a part of the EU without being attached to England, right? Surely that still counts in global unity Bingo.
I think instead of splitting the UK up we should unite against our collective enemy of Cameron himself.
It will be a psuedo independence. They will be controlled by the Bank of England and their head of state will still be the Queen. Oh yeah, and leaving one union to join another one which will no doubt impose stricter regulations on a smaller, less politically powerful country.
[QUOTE=Megafan;43823226]Well the idea is to still be a part of the EU without being attached to England, right? Surely that still counts in global unity Bingo.[/QUOTE]
The splitting of the Union won't work in favour of the Scottish people. Not only that, but we will still accept the Queen as our monarch. It's really just better for us to stay with the Union.
[QUOTE=Vasili;43823336]It will be a psuedo independence. They will be controlled by the Bank of England and their head of state will still be the Queen. Oh yeah, and leaving one union to join another one which will no doubt impose stricter regulations on a smaller, less politically powerful country.[/QUOTE]
I love all the optimism they have though
"But but we'll be getting a government that represents US"
no you won't, you'll be getting politicians, like every country does.
I can understand wanting to be as far disconnected as humanly possible from ol' Dave, but there'd such heavy drawbacks and very little gain.
Independence is basically us spending lots of money to end up in the same situation as before.
Neither North or South Britain will benefit well from this, if at all.
So how long until we have to build another Hadrian's Wall to keep out those barbarians if they get independence.
(No offense to any scottish people here :v: but it would be a cool border crossing.)
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43823694]Independence is basically us spending lots of money to end up in the same situation as before.
Neither North or South Britain will benefit well from this, if at all.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't it cost a lot to keep Scotland and England united?
Alex Salmond is just a big massive anglophobic cunt, and many other people know this as well. I've said it before, and I've said it again. From what I can hear and see from students in my university and people from my hometown, not many people are for independence at all. Alex is just a cunt.
It's like 24 but a lot longer and a lot more shit
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;43823805]So how long until we have to build another Hadrian's Wall to keep out those barbarians if they get independence.
(No offense to any scottish people here :v: but it would be a cool border crossing.)[/QUOTE]
Lets see;
They want a integrated military
They want to keep the pound
They want to keep British passports
They wants to keep the Queen
They wants open boarders
Its the most laughable independence movement going, and the fact the UK government has actually allowed it to happen is because they probably think it has a high chance of failing.
[QUOTE=Explosions;43823159]In this era of increased global unity and cooperation, it would be a complete step backward to be seceding from a union which has lasted over 300 years.[/QUOTE]
you'd be able to govern a smaller area more effectively and as a member state of the EU trade easily and freely with the rest of the uk and europe, as we do now. there wouldn't be a fucking drawbridge going up or an armed border. Just a dedicated government for a smaller country with different demands from the south east of england.
[QUOTE=codenamecueball;43837253]you'd be able to govern a smaller area more effectively and as a member state of the EU trade easily and freely with the rest of the uk and europe, as we do now. there wouldn't be a fucking drawbridge going up or an armed border. Just a dedicated government for a smaller country with different demands from the south east of england.[/QUOTE]
So no change then?
[QUOTE=Vasili;43837016]Lets see;
They want a integrated military
They want to keep the pound
They want to keep British passports
They wants to keep the Queen
They wants open boarders
Its the most laughable independence movement going, and the fact the UK government has actually allowed it to happen is because they probably think it has a high chance of failing.[/QUOTE]
So it's just a paper thin, plastic independence.
[QUOTE=Vasili;43837016]Lets see;
They want a integrated military -[B] i don't see us needing that big a miltary when we quick the whole 'illegal wars' shit we get dragged into.[/B]
They want to keep the pound - [B]a currency which works and is stable, don't see the harm.[/B]
They want to keep British passports - [B]as well as scottish ones, dual nationality with ireland/uk as well...[/B]
They wants to keep the Queen - [B]we could decide to remove her with a quick referendum - independence gives us that possibility[/B]
They wants open boarders -[B] [url]http://www.islandvulnerability.org/borderirlukswanlinbar.jpg[/url] here's the border between ireland and the uk, wow that looks fucking laughable.
[/B]
Its the most laughable independence movement going, and the fact the UK government has actually allowed it to happen is because they probably think it has a high chance of failing.[/QUOTE]
[editline]8th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Thom12255;43837276]So no change then?[/QUOTE]
um
currently scotland has a parliament which allows it to vote on issues like:
[QUOTE]agriculture, forestry and fisheries
education and training
environment
health and social services
housing
law and order (including the licensing of air weapons)
local government
sport and the arts
tourism and economic development
many aspects of transport[/QUOTE]
but control of these:
[QUOTE]Reserved matters
Reserved matters include:
benefits and social security
immigration
defence
foreign policy
employment
broadcasting
trade and industry
nuclear energy, oil, coal, gas and electricity
consumer rights
data protection
the Constitution[/QUOTE]
stays with westminster. now in scotland, we have different social and economic issues that can't be represented effectively down in the main parliament without control over these powers. independence is just about us being able to decide what to do with these matters, no funny nationalistic shit, no bravehart bollocks, just a more representative political process all round.
a right wing government, as in elected down south (without our involvement, we have 1 conservative MP) speaks on issues like immigration in a way that doesn't really jel with scotland, but serves england and wales pretty well. the benefit reforms and shit like the bedroom tax. in scotland, we don't really fancy it (and since we passed legislation to prevent people being evicted over the bedroom tax, we have to pay millions to prop it up, instead of it just never being passed in the first place)
this isn't an SNP plot for them to establish a dictatorship, i wouldn't even vote for them and i see their party support declining in a post-yes scotland.
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