Trump threatens to end ObamaCare payments unless repeal passes - Polidicks

[QUOTE]"If a new HealthCare Bill is not approved quickly, BAILOUTS for Insurance Companies and BAILOUTS for Members of Congress will end very soon!" he added. [/QUOTE] [url]http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/344463-trump-threatens-to-end-csr-payments-if-healthcare-reform-isnt-passed[/url] [url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-30/donald-trump-health-insurance-payments-obamacare/8757366?smid=Page:%20ABC%20News-Facebook_Organic&WT.tsrc=Facebook_Organic&sf102211543=1[/url]

low energy Trump doesn't even try to fight fair and moves straight to the threats! sad! He's [i]desperate[/i] to see Obamacare gone just so that he can have a victory at this point.

[QUOTE]"If a new HealthCare Bill is not approved quickly[/QUOTE] you don't have a 'new healthcare bill' you bloated senile idiot

"I swear to god If I can't do one thing right, you'l all be sorry" Fucking hell.

how would he do this? by executive order?

[QUOTE=Kommodore;52521445]how would he do this? by executive order?[/QUOTE] At the moment, there is a court case going on over the payments to subsidize low-income ACA enrolees' fees. A lower court found these subsidy payments, which are critical to stabilizing the insurance market, illegal, and the Obama administration appealed. That appeal is still in progress. The US government must commit to making these payments, or not making them, [del]by the end of this month; Monday[/del]before August 16th. This is a precursor to the next major order of business in the health insurance world: very soon, insurers will have to register their ACA plans and establish the options they'll be offering Americans for 2018. The Trump administration has not yet confirmed that it will make the subsidy payments this year, and the uncertainty is rattling the insurance providers even more. The uncertainty has already caused some insurers to threaten to pull out of markets, some where they are the only ACA insurer (leaving Americans with [I]no[/I] ACA option in their state). If the Trump administration decides to drop the appeal, the axe is as good as swung and it'll require an act of Congress to replace the funds and restabilize the market. It's a good thing that's their #1 prioteheheh oh fuck you guys are so screwed. Trump has many more ways to suffocate Obamacare by neglect than he does to replace it with anything at all. He's also got such a broken sense of empathy and perspective that he'll really do it, too. Edit: Corrected deadline for the government

:ok: good explanation

So, essentially, he's going to use his executive authority to completely sabotage a critical aspect of the ACA, and then talk about how it "imploded" on its own as if his hands weren't on the plunger. "What a bad bad deal Obamacare was, okay? Worst healthcare plan in history, folks! Let me tell you! It couldn't even survive having its funding completely cut off, because it was so bad. I told you Obamacare was going to implode, okay, but the Fake News has been SO unfair to me. Most unfair treatment of ANY president ever! Sad! I beat Clinton, okay, but the Fake News kept saying I had no chance. I know more about winning than anybody. Just look at my election map. Look at those maps; I won so big! So just wait, that bad healthcare plan was so bad, but I'm going to give you the world's greatest healthcare plan. It's gonna be great."

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52521551]So, essentially, he's going to use his executive authority to completely sabotage a critical aspect of the ACA, and then talk about how it "imploded" on its own as if his hands weren't on the plunger. "What a bad bad deal Obamacare was, okay? Worst healthcare plan in history, folks! Let me tell you! It couldn't even survive having its funding completely cut off, because it was so bad. I told you Obamacare was going to implode, okay, but the Fake News has been SO unfair to me. Most unfair treatment of ANY president ever! Sad! I beat Clinton, okay, but the Fake News kept saying I had no chance. I know more about winning than anybody. Just look at my election map. Look at those maps; I won so big! So just wait, that bad healthcare plan was so bad, but I'm going to give you the world's greatest healthcare plan. It's gonna be great."[/QUOTE] You didn't mention Fake news or "Crooked" Clinton in the first and last sentence as well, and then mention it again after talking about your success in business as a dildo-salesmen totally out of the blue, or say winning enough [editline]30th July 2017[/editline] also you have to include more talking about yourself did I mention fake news? we mentioned that right?

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52521551]So, essentially, he's going to use his executive authority to completely sabotage a critical aspect of the ACA, and then talk about how it "imploded" on its own as if his hands weren't on the plunger. [/QUOTE] It wouldn't surprise me, it's exactly what conservatives in my country are doing at the moment. Selling off and cutting funding to aspects of the NHS, and then using the ensuing faltering to "prove" that the system is shit and should be privatised. [i]"Hey look, the NHS can barely keep it's A&E departments open [sp] after we slashed their funding and kept staff wages frozen for almost a decade [/sp] surely paying for healthcare is better than this!?"[/i] If you have to sabotage something to prove how awful it is, chances are you are in the wrong.

he knows that the insurance companies will sue the government over this, right?

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52521563]It wouldn't surprise me, it's exactly what conservatives in my country are doing at the moment. Selling off and cutting funding to aspects of the NHS, and then using the ensuing faltering to "prove" that the system is shit and should be privatised. [i]"Hey look, the NHS can barely keep it's A&E departments open [sp] after we slashed their funding and kept staff wages frozen for almost a decade [/sp] surely paying for healthcare is better than this!?"[/i] If you have to sabotage something to prove how awful it is, chances are you are in the wrong.[/QUOTE] Honestly at this point I'd argue that Conservatives on both sides of the Atlantic deserve hanging for their part in sabotaging the health care that their constituents rely upon. Perhaps the only way they'll learn is if they're afraid to do otherwise.

The best thing to come of this right now is now that the Obamacare fiasco is mostly over, Bernie Sanders is garnering support for [url=http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/344520-sanders-im-absolutely-introducing-single-payer-healthcare-bill]a new single-payer healthcare bill[/url]. If the Republicans are truly so desperate to repeal and replace Obamacare, this is a new avenue that may actually lead to a better healthcare system with the ability to say they "repealed" the ACA.

Incidentally, I need to correct myself as I may have slightly misspoke. I read somewhere that the government had until the end of the month, but I found [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/whats-next-for-the-affordable-care-act-now-that-repeal-has-failed/2017/07/28/e209c7ce-70b5-11e7-9eac-d56bd5568db8_story.html"]this WaPo column about the ACA's future[/URL] and it had this to say on the topic: [QUOTE]Tennessee Insurance Commissioner Julie Mix McPeak, president-elect of the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, spent Friday conferring with other insurance officials trying to get answers on whether lawmakers and the administration would be willing to commit to providing the billions of dollars in cost-sharing reduction payments that help offset low-income consumers’ out-of-pocket costs under the ACA’s individual market. While the answer to that is elusive — and McPeak warned that “that window is rapidly closing,” since insurers must submit final 2018 rates to state officials by Aug. 16 — she had no doubt that the task before her was to make the current system work.[/QUOTE] So, the deadline is not ironclad set for any date, but frankly it needs to be ASAFP because the insurers need to know how much the government's going to subsidize low-income ACA individuals' costs in order to get their own books in order for the upcoming year, and the Trump administration is giving them two weeks and less with every day that passes without a decision from the man who gains everything by letting that decision go unmade. FUCK :hammered:

[QUOTE=Flicky;52522458]The best thing to come of this right now is now that the Obamacare fiasco is mostly over, Bernie Sanders is garnering support for [url=http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/344520-sanders-im-absolutely-introducing-single-payer-healthcare-bill]a new single-payer healthcare bill[/url]. If the Republicans are truly so desperate to repeal and replace Obamacare, this is a new avenue that may actually lead to a better healthcare system with the ability to say they "repealed" the ACA.[/QUOTE] nope, lindey graham to the fucking rescue. [url]http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/29/senate-republicans-obamacare-repeal-241128[/url] [quote]The group is trying to write legislation that could get 50 Republican votes, according to multiple administration and Capitol Hill sources. The proposal from Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) would block grant federal health care funding to the states and keep much of Obamacare’s tax regime. White House officials also met with House Freedom Caucus chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) to brainstorm how to make the idea palatable to conservatives, according to two sources familiar with the meeting.[/quote] its only dead if john mccain stays away and the senators from arkansas and alaska vote against it still.

Trump should let bernie pass his healthcare that way trump can say he actually did something good his presidency but i dont think trump is smart enough for that

[QUOTE=Sableye;52522437]he knows that the insurance companies will sue the government over this, right?[/QUOTE] And damn right they should, too!

[QUOTE=Wii60;52522641]Trump should let bernie pass his healthcare that way trump can say he actually did something good his presidency but i dont think trump is smart enough for that[/QUOTE] Its funny too, if republicans called Bernies system the "Republican healthcare act" and secretly made it their own, republicans all over would be totally fine with it almost as if they only care about the title