• Putin is NOT Hitler
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[quote](CNN) - The vast majority of Americans say Vladimir Putin's not honest or trustworthy, but according to a new national poll they don't compare the Russian president's actions in Ukraine with the land grabs in the years leading up to World War II by Germany's Adolf Hitler. A Quinnipiac University survey released Wednesday indicates that only 24% of the public equates Putin's annexing last month of neighboring Ukraine's Crimea peninsula with Hitler's actions, with 51% saying that's too strong a comparison. Just over one in five admitted they don't know enough about pre-Second World War history to answer the question. Early last month in at a fundraiser in Long Beach, California, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton compared Putin's military intervention in Crimean to Hitler's European aggression ahead of World War II. "Now if this sounds familiar, it's what Hitler did back in the 30s," Clinton said according to the Long Beach Press-Telegram, which had a reporter in the room for the closed event. A day later, after her comments sparked some controversy, Clinton told an audience in nearby Los Angeles that her comments from the previous day were an attempt for "people to have a little historic perspective." "I'm not making a comparison certainly, but I am recommending that we perhaps can learn from this tactic that has been used before," said Clinton. "What I said yesterday is that the claims by President Putin and other Russians that they had to go into Crimea and maybe further into eastern Ukraine because they had to protect the Russian minorities ... is reminiscent of claims that were made back in the 1930s when Germany under the Nazis kept talking about how they had to protect German minorities in Poland, in Czechoslovakia and elsewhere throughout Europe."[/quote] [url]http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/02/poll-americans-say-putin-not-like-hitler/[/url]
He's Stalin
[QUOTE=Oizen;44458417]He's Stalin[/QUOTE] I thought he was Napolean?
[QUOTE] The vast majority of Americans say Vladimir Putin's not honest or trustworthy, but according to a new national poll they don't compare the Russian president's actions in Ukraine with the land grabs in the years leading up to World War II by Germany's Adolf Hitler.[/QUOTE] Probably because they don't know the finer details of the lead up to WWII..
Well, you know what they say about things like this. You can't be neutral on a moving train! You're either against Putin's blatant land-grabbing scrubfuckery, or you're giving into his goals by being weak-kneed and having no resolve. It's obvious what this son of a bitch wants, and if we don't show him that we're serious he'll keep at it until he's chunked away at all of the ex-soviet states. I'm not saying that we pelt him with bullets or rain bombs on his head, but going after the finances of the Russian oligarchy instead of going "well, uh, I mean, we have to remain neutral. . . " isn't going to get shit done. We'll see how the Swiss like keeping Russian money in their banks when they've got "local peacekeepers" knocking on their doorstep.
i saw an analysis by daniel pipes(he a historian and expert on islamism and the middle east), in which he mentioned the following [url]http://www.danielpipes.org/13531/muslim-russia[/url] [QUOTE]Not only do ethnic Muslims account for 21–23 million of Russia’s total population of 144 million, or 15 percent, but their proportion is fast growing. Alcoholism-plagued ethnic Russians are said to have European birth rates and African life-expectancy, with the former just 1.4 per woman and the latter 60 years for men. In Moscow, ethnic Christian women have 1.1 children. In contrast, Muslim women bear 2.3 children on average and have fewer abortions than their Russian counterparts. In Moscow, Tatar women have six children and Chechen and Ingush women have ten on average. In addition, some 3 to 4 million Muslims have moved to Russia from ex-republics of the USSR, mainly Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan; and some ethnic Russians are converting to Islam.[/QUOTE] what if this "land grab" true motive(or at least one of the motives) is a "population grab" , ethnic russians at this rate will likely be outnumbered by other ethnicities, maybe putin is trying to stave off that decline, his actions make more sense when you consider all this. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rates_by_federal_subjects_of_Russia#TFR_by_Ethnic_Groups[/url] this makes putin sounds less like a someone on a power trip and more like a leader that is getting rather desperate to solve(or at least delay) a major issue.
[QUOTE=BCell;44458422]I thought he was Napolean?[/QUOTE] Nope, Genghis Khan (sarcasm)
-snip, never mind-
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;44458510]i saw an analysis by daniel pipes(he a historian and expert on islamism and the middle east), in which he mentioned the following [url]http://www.danielpipes.org/13531/muslim-russia[/url] what if this "land grab" true motive(or at least one of the motives) is a "population grab" , ethnic russians at this rate will likely be outnumbered by other ethnicities, maybe putin is trying to stave off that decline, his actions make more sense when you consider all this. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rates_by_federal_subjects_of_Russia#TFR_by_Ethnic_Groups[/url] this makes putin sounds less like a someone on a power trip and more like a leader that is getting rather desperate to solve(or at least delay) a major issue.[/QUOTE] Considering the power Putin has wouldn't it make sense to start invading places with high ethnic Russian populations [I]after[/I] he's done everything he can do to control the internal muslim population?
[QUOTE=Bradyns;44458425]Probably because they don't know the finer details of the lead up to WWII..[/QUOTE] The average American probably couldn't name 5 countries that were in WW2. Most of them probly only know "America fought Nazis and the French were pussies."
no he's putin dur
But he is a dick
America told me Obama was Hitler.
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26769481[/url] Although I think he's a bit crazy and took it too far, for now it's different from Hitler which was completely violent and had no respect for Human live.
He's a dick.
then he's gay, combined with Stalin, Musolini, Napoleon
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44458640]The average American probably couldn't name 5 countries that were in WW2. Most of them probly only know "America fought Nazis and the French were pussies."[/QUOTE] Italy, Britain, Czechoslovakia, France, Russia, Ukraine, Japan, China, USA, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Bulgaria, Spain, Greece. That's 15, do I get a cookie? :3
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;44459625]Italy, Britain, Czechoslovakia, France, Russia, Ukraine, Japan, China, USA, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Bulgaria, Spain, Greece. That's 15, do I get a cookie? :3[/QUOTE] Spain and Czechoslovakia didn't fight in WW2 unless you count the volunteer division and the Slovakian puppet state, Ireland was neutral, Ukraine didn't exist, and Wales isn't a country.
[QUOTE=Aredbomb;44458580]Considering the power Putin has wouldn't it make sense to start invading places with high ethnic Russian populations [I]after[/I] he's done everything he can do to control the internal muslim population?[/QUOTE] except he can't control the muslim population, thats the thing.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;44458425]Probably because they don't know the finer details of the lead up to WWII..[/QUOTE] I can assure you that the vast majority of Americans have never even heard of Neville Chamberlain.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;44459625]Italy, [B]Britain[/B], Czechoslovakia, France, Russia, Ukraine, Japan, China, USA, [B]Scotland[/B], Ireland, [B]Wales[/B], Bulgaria, Spain, Greece. That's 15, do I get a cookie? :3[/QUOTE] Nice try, they're all part of Britain, unless you think Britain and England are synonymous [QUOTE=Griffster26;44459636]Wales isn't a country.[/QUOTE] It's a constituent country of the UK, but you're probably kidding
[QUOTE=Griffster26;44459636]Wales isn't a country.[/QUOTE] :(
Hitler wasn't the only world leader to use ethnicity as an excuse to claim territory. Putin also isn't a rabid anti-Semite, nor does he espouse the values of national socialism, nor does he refer to Russians as the ubermensch. If your comparison relies solely on annexation then it isn't a good comparison, it's lazy and historically disingenuous and actually some what offensive. The constant attempts to frame people as Hitler I think cheapens the nightmarish legacy the actual Hitler left in his wake. It also, specifically in the case of Putin, doesn't help to understand his thinking, nor give context in a modern world. This isn't 1930, it's 2014 and the world is vastly different than the one Hitler occupied. Also if you were really intent on making a comparison, why not James Polk? Polk annexed swaths of Mexico in the name of protecting Americans. [url=http://college.cengage.com/history/ayers_primary_sources/president_war_message.htm]"But now, after reiterated menaces, Mexico has passed the boundary of the United States, has invaded our territory and shed American blood upon American soil."[/url]
Crap, I bought him a moustache comb for his birthday!
[QUOTE=Griffster26;44459636]Spain and Czechoslovakia didn't fight in WW2 unless you count the volunteer division and the Slovakian puppet state, Ireland was neutral, Ukraine didn't exist, and Wales isn't a country.[/QUOTE] That joke flew further over your head than a North Korean missile test.
This would be a great time to popularize the idea of Hitler as a unit of measurement. Anyone got an official death count by Putin reign?
[QUOTE=Bradyns;44458425]Probably because they don't know the finer details of the lead up to WWII..[/QUOTE] Putin, takes a small part of an unstable country. Equivalent to the man who caused one of the most famous and deadly genocides in history. You realize a lot of conflicts start with a land grab, why makes Putin so similar to Hitler?
[QUOTE=booster;44458978]America told me Obama was Hitler.[/QUOTE] I thought that comparison could never possibly be made. Until I visited America of course. [thumb]http://platinummad.com/DSC00342.JPG[/thumb]
Problem with Putin is the fact that he appears more smarter than Hitler.
[QUOTE=Griffster26;44459636]Spain and Czechoslovakia didn't fight in WW2 unless you count the volunteer division and the Slovakian puppet state, Ireland was neutral, Ukraine didn't exist, and Wales isn't a country.[/QUOTE] Technically speaking Ukraine was part of the USSR and they did fight, officially on the allied side but a notable chunk of Ukrainians supported the Nazis in hopes of gaining independence. Also Ireland's neutrality was more than a little slanted. [editline]5th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=BCell;44458422]I thought he was Napolean?[/QUOTE] Let's meet in the middle and say he's Hitstalean.
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