Burma’s Million-Strong Rohingya Population Faces ‘Final Stages of Genocide,’ Says Report
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[QUOTE]Children rest at a refugee camp in Bayeun, outside of Langsa, Indonesia, May 20. They were among the 25,000-plus Rohingya Muslim migrants who have fled reported persecution in Burma and Bangladesh this year by crossing the Indian Ocean in search of refugee status in Indonesia and Malaysia.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]The long-persecuted ethnicity is on the verge of "mass annihilation," say experts, with new evidence indicating government complicity[/B]
Despite the U.S.-led rolling back of economic sanctions and internationally backed national elections taking place early next month, more than a million people in Burma are facing state-sponsored genocide, according to a new report.
The Rohingya Muslim community of the military-dominated Southeast Asian nation, which is now officially known as Myanmar, has been systematically persecuted and expunged from the national narrative — often at the behest of powerful extremist groups from the country’s majority Buddhist population and even government authorities — to the point where complete extermination is a possibility, according to a damning new study by the International State Crime Initiative (ISCI) at the Queen Mary University of London.
“The Rohingya face the final stages of genocide,” concludes the report.
ISCI uses noted genocide expert Daniel Feierstein’s framework of the six stages of genocide, outlined in his 2014 book Genocide as Social Practice, as a lens through which to view Burma. Through interviews with stakeholders on both sides of what it describes as ethnic cleansing, as well as media reports and leaked government documents, the report enumerates how the Rohingya have undergone the first four stages — stigmatization and dehumanization; harassment, violence and terror; isolation and segregation; systematic weakening — and are on the verge of “mass annihilation.” The sixth stage, which involves the “removal of the victim group from collective history,” is already under way in many respects, the report says.
Stricken from Burma’s 135 officially recognized ethnicities in 1982, the Rohingya have undergone decades of discrimination and disenfranchisement, albeit never to the degree they currently face. The Burmese government’s official position is that the Rohingya are interlopers from neighboring Bangladesh, despite many having lived in the country for generations, and it refuses to even acknowledge their collective name, preferring the loaded term “Bengali.” The report documents a systematic deterioration of the Rohingya’s situation since communal violence broke out in June 2012 in Burma’s Rakhine (formerly Arakan) state.
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[url]http://time.com/4089276/burma-rohingya-genocide-report-documentary/[/url]
When can humans collectively drop their animalistic instincts? I hate this age we live in, the stuff to witness is unreal. As an intelligent species, it is sickeningly unreal.
What the fuck? Why isn't there more international outrage?
[QUOTE=Blue Meanie;49012035]When can humans collectively drop their animalistic instincts? [/QUOTE]
in a few million years
This is honestly the first I've heard of this, sadly.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;49012054]What the fuck? Why isn't there more international outrage?[/QUOTE]
no media coverage because Buddhists do no wrong right
[QUOTE=elitehakor;49012235]no media coverage because Buddhists do no wrong right[/QUOTE]
Maybe I'm just well informed, but this has been written about quite a bit (though it obviously wasn't dominating the news).
But yeah, people need to get over this 'Buddhists so peaceful!' crap. The most nationalistic and often the perpetrators of the violence are often Buddhist monks.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;49012054]What the fuck? Why isn't there more international outrage?[/QUOTE]
Burma is an isolated country that doesn't let the media in. In fact in the aftermath of hurricanes/typhoons/earthquakes that leave millions homeless they reject aid.
Its hard to tell a story and frankly, a story about a group of people that can't complain and a story about a group of people nobody cares about... yeah, not good for careers or profits.
And people wonder why I always said that the Dalai Lama is an awful human being when he's complacent in this as well.
[QUOTE=Blue Meanie;49012035]When can humans collectively drop their animalistic instincts? I hate this age we live in, the stuff to witness is unreal. As an intelligent species, it is sickeningly unreal.[/QUOTE]
when does a frog drop it's animalistic instincts?
don't think yourself so above everyone else when it comes to 'instincts' when your jacking off every day is just as much an 'animalistic' response as anything else
all we are is just that, an intelligent species, not unlike dolphins or other such animals. we're still animals.
[QUOTE=Blue Meanie;49012035]When can humans collectively drop their animalistic instincts? I hate this age we live in, the stuff to witness is unreal. As an intelligent species, it is sickeningly unreal.[/QUOTE]
Are you fucking serious? I'd rather this age than anything we've had in the past. That's when we actually had genocide on a fucking continental scale.
Apparently people are openly selling nazi literature over there.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49012808]Apparently people are openly selling nazi literature over there.[/QUOTE]
Nazi literature and paraphernalia are really popular in continental Southeast Asia for some reason. Especially in Thailand.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;49012533]And people wonder why I always said that the Dalai Lama is an awful human being when he's complacent in this as well.
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The Dali Lama has literally nothing to do with this.
smh
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[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;49012258]Maybe I'm just well informed, but this has been written about quite a bit (though it obviously wasn't dominating the news).
But yeah, people need to get over this 'Buddhists so peaceful!' crap. The most nationalistic and often the perpetrators of the violence are often Buddhist monks.[/QUOTE]
Even if the world was owned by Wiccans, or Athiests, or even Scientologists, someone would be getting persecuted for something.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;49013186]The Dali Lama has literally nothing to do with this.
smh
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Even if the world was owned by Wiccans, or Athiests, or even Scientologists, someone would be getting persecuted for something.[/QUOTE]
The Dali lama has knowledge of it and says nothing. That's enough to make him "complacent" by any definition.
Yeah but no one said "my fringe group won't persecute". They said something ENTIRELY different
Try reading please
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49013223]The Dali lama has knowledge of it and says nothing. That's enough to make him "complacent" by any definition.
Yeah but no one said "my fringe group won't persecute". They said something ENTIRELY different
Try reading please[/QUOTE]
Alright, since you enjoy arguing with me, you're worthy of a response.
The fact of the matter is, it's not the fact that one person isn't going to persecute someone else because of x/y/z, belief. The fact of the matter is that, if you study history, someone, somewhere is going to get hatred against someone else. This isn't because someone believes that their deity is better than anyone else. This isn't because of what someone believes, this is literally a fact of human nature. It doesn't matter if you believe that your grandmother is your dog reincarnated, or if God says that people who have sex or don't wear socks are sacrilegious, the fact of the matter is that the REASON people do this kind of shit is because [I]it's literally in their nature to do so.[/I] If you look at history, history of any country anywhere in the world, you'll find a history of genocide in some form, or some kind of persecution. With the United States? It's Native Americans and Black people. With Germany? Jewish people. The fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter what kind of person you are, someone, somewhere is going to find a reason not to like you and discriminate/hate/kill you. That's just the way it is, that's the way people have been for [del]thousands[/del] - no, millions of years, since mankind stopped chiseling rocks to kill hyenas, and started sharpening sticks to kill the guy from the other tribe.
It's human fucking nature to do this kind of thing.
Don't believe me? Read up on history.
Go ahead, read a history book, because I guarantee you somewhere, sometime throughout history someone has had the idea to kill someone else because [I]I don't like their kind.[/I] That's the fucking truth. [B]Don't blame this on Buddhism, on Islam, or anything else.[/B] This is because of literally [B]you are a fucking human being, you are an ape on the third rock from the sun, that enjoys killing things.[/B] And if you don't believe me, when is the last time you played a first person shooter? When's the last time you played a video game, or watched an action movie, or anything ever? Almost every fucking medium of some sort has you stomping on goombas, or shooting Nazis, or watching the cops take down the bad guys on CSI. People love killing. That's just the way it is. That's the way it will always be. And blaming it on anything, even how ridiculous and retarded their beliefs are, is wrong. Someone is going to fucking do it.
That being said, to claim the religious leader 5,000 miles away who isn't even part of the same sect of what these people are doing (and believe me, like every human being on the planet he is worthy of criticism) is laughable. You can't say that someone who lives next door to you, who is more concerned about how he's going to pay rent and put groceries on the table or he's going to starve to death, homeless, should be completely concerned about someone dying half the world away. Why? Because he's going to die if he doesn't find a way to eat. And that's the same for every fucking person on the planet. You really think a factory worker in China, or a villager in Nigeria is going to give two shits about someone if he's not going to eat tomorrow or he might get blown up? No, he isn't. He doesn't give two shits about those people. What makes you think they give two shits about you? When's the last time you went to the center of town and asked someone "Hey, do you have any food?" or "Hey, can you give me a ride to see my dying wife?"? He's going to tell you to "Get a fucking Job", or "I would but oh I'm so sorry I don't have the time". That's the way people are. [B]They don't give a flying fuck about you.[/B] The fact that you actually care about someone getting killed on the other side of the world, is actually admireable. It means you are satisfied enough with your life that you don't have to worry about dying tomorrow, so much so that it's not a concern to you. Better yet, who's to say that person you care about on the other side of the world wouldn't hold a gun to your head and kill you for whatever reason? You have no fucking clue.
So don't blame someone for being any more different from the rest of the human fucking race, if not better than because he at least gives a shit about someone.
Sorry he's too busy giving a shit about people getting killed for expression political opinions in the next town over from where he grew up.
Maybe, it's because he's fucking human?
And yeah, the fact that he's a religious leader of a faith that's actively persecuting people of another faith is fucked up, but you also need to understand, in a less objective sense, these people follow a different sect of Buddhism than Tibetan Buddhism. They follow Theravada Buddhism, not Tibetan Buddhism, so they don't give a fuck what he says. [B]And not just that, they aren't going to give two shits anyway when they're preoccupied with killing people.[/B] The Dali Lama probably doesn't even know what's going on over there because he hasn't heard about it. If you were to ask him in person, guess what he as a person would probablly say, "That's fucking wrong" in some respect. And why? Probablly because he's a rational person who knows that killing mass amounts of people over vague prejudices is wrong. But here's another question, ask someone on the street about the "Genocide in Burma", because I guarentee you nobody is going to be able to place Burma on the fucking map.
For the record, I also read the whole article.
Better? Perhaps I could have posted a picture and elicited an emotional response - and perhaps spent my time better, after all, there is a saying - "pictures are worth a thousand words".
Is it just me or is the title extremely sensationalist?
I thought by final stage they meant that they had executed most of them and were just mopping up the rest, instead they're just oppressed and at risk of genocide but that hasn't actually begun yet but is high risk.
Still pretty bad of course, but not what the title led me to believe.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;49013445]Alright, since you enjoy arguing with me, you're worthy of a response.
[QUOTE]The fact of the matter is, it's not the fact that one person isn't going to persecute someone else because of x/y/z, belief. The fact of the matter is that, if you study history, someone, somewhere is going to get hatred against someone else. This isn't because someone believes that their deity is better than anyone else. This isn't because of what someone believes, this is literally a fact of human nature. It doesn't matter if you believe that your grandmother is your dog reincarnated, or if God says that people who have sex or don't wear socks are sacrilegious, the fact of the matter is that the REASON people do this kind of shit is because [I]it's literally in their nature to do so.[/I] If you look at history, history of any country anywhere in the world, you'll find a history of genocide in some form, or some kind of persecution. With the United States? It's Native Americans and Black people. With Germany? Jewish people. The fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter what kind of person you are, someone, somewhere is going to find a reason not to like you and discriminate/hate/kill you. That's just the way it is, that's the way people have been for [del]thousands[/del] - no, millions of years, since mankind stopped chiseling rocks to kill hyenas, and started sharpening sticks to kill the guy from the other tribe. [/QUOTE]
I don't disagree...?
[QUOTE]It's human fucking nature to do this kind of thing.
Don't believe me? Read up on history.
Go ahead, read a history book, because I guarantee you somewhere, sometime throughout history someone has had the idea to kill someone else because [I]I don't like their kind.[/I] That's the fucking truth. [B]Don't blame this on Buddhism, on Islam, or anything else.[/B] This is because of literally [B]you are a fucking human being, you are an ape on the third rock from the sun, that enjoys killing things.[/B] And if you don't believe me, when is the last time you played a first person shooter? When's the last time you played a video game, or watched an action movie, or anything ever? Almost every fucking medium of some sort has you stomping on goombas, or shooting Nazis, or watching the cops take down the bad guys on CSI. People love killing. That's just the way it is. That's the way it will always be. And blaming it on anything, even how ridiculous and retarded their beliefs are, is wrong. Someone is going to fucking do it.[/QUOTE]
Can you not make wildly baseless assinine assumptions about me? I don't fucking disagree.
[QUOTE]That being said, to claim the religious leader 5,000 miles away who isn't even part of the same sect of what these people are doing (and believe me, like every human being on the planet he is worthy of criticism) is laughable. You can't say that someone who lives next door to you, who is more concerned about how he's going to pay rent and put groceries on the table or he's going to starve to death, homeless, should be completely concerned about someone dying half the world away. Why? Because he's going to die if he doesn't find a way to eat. And that's the same for every fucking person on the planet. You really think a factory worker in China, or a villager in Nigeria is going to give two shits about someone if he's not going to eat tomorrow or he might get blown up? No, he isn't. He doesn't give two shits about those people. What makes you think they give two shits about you? When's the last time you went to the center of town and asked someone "Hey, do you have any food?" or "Hey, can you give me a ride to see my dying wife?"? He's going to tell you to "Get a fucking Job", or "I would but oh I'm so sorry I don't have the time". That's the way people are. [B]They don't give a flying fuck about you.[/B] The fact that you actually care about someone getting killed on the other side of the world, is actually admireable. It means you are satisfied enough with your life that you don't have to worry about dying tomorrow, so much so that it's not a concern to you. Better yet, who's to say that person you care about on the other side of the world wouldn't hold a gun to your head and kill you for whatever reason? You have no fucking clue. [/QUOTE]
Uh, again, I don't disagree, nor did I EVER state anything similar to this.
[QUOTE]So don't blame someone for being any more different from the rest of the human fucking race, if not better than because he at least gives a shit about someone.
Sorry he's too busy giving a shit about people getting killed for expression political opinions in the next town over from where he grew up.
Maybe, it's because he's fucking human?
And yeah, the fact that he's a religious leader of a faith that's actively persecuting people of another faith is fucked up, but you also need to understand, in a less objective sense, these people follow a different sect of Buddhism than Tibetan Buddhism. They follow Theravada Buddhism, not Tibetan Buddhism, so they don't give a fuck what he says. [B]And not just that, they aren't going to give two shits anyway when they're preoccupied with killing people.[/B] The Dali Lama probably doesn't even know what's going on over there because he hasn't heard about it. If you were to ask him in person, guess what he as a person would probablly say, "That's fucking wrong" in some respect. And why? Probablly because he's a rational person who knows that killing mass amounts of people over vague prejudices is wrong. But here's another question, ask someone on the street about the "Genocide in Burma", because I guarentee you nobody is going to be able to place Burma on the fucking map.
For the record, I also read the whole article.
Better? Perhaps I could have posted a picture and elicited an emotional response - and perhaps spent my time better, after all, there is a saying - "pictures are worth a thousand words".[/QUOTE]
Holy shit did you ever assume a LOT of things about me.
You assumed more things about me, and my belief systems than I even want to address because LITERALLY every fucking thing in here, this large verbose wall, you never actually ever even hit on my ACTUAL view points.
Like holy fucking shit I'm actually speechless that you wrote this much, and utterly, utterly failed to actually say anything about me, or my view points, because you based them off of a few shallow posts.
I wasn't even saying he was responsible, or unique in that sense, I was saying, like the word complacent means, he has a link to the events that's greater than nothing.
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I have to give you a fucking round of applause for really going above and beyond to just make an empty, hollow attack post about views I don't hold, things I don't believe and statements I have [B]literally never ever made[/B]
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I'm going to need a lot of citations as to where you think I think any of this, because to me, I feel like you just stuck a bunch of words in my mouth so you actually had someone to argue with.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;49013445]you are a fucking human being, you are an ape on the third rock from the sun, that enjoys killing things.[/QUOTE]
Ideology, religion and politics can all play a part in inspiring people to kill. Dismissing all of that by saying that humans will just kill eachother is silly.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49013223]The Dali lama has knowledge of it and says nothing. That's enough to make him "complacent" by any definition.
Yeah but no one said "my fringe group won't persecute". They said something ENTIRELY different
Try reading please[/QUOTE]
[URL]www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/dalai-lama-aung-san-suu-kyi-rohingya-muslim-myanmar-migrant-150528110114964.html[/url]
[url]http://dalailama.com/news/post/937-dalai-lama-pleads-for-myanmar-monks-to-end-violence-amid-damning-rights-report[/url]
[URL]http://www.dalailama.com/news/post/871-his-holiness-the-dalai-lamas-concern-about-events-in-burma[/url]
he could still do more though
They even get shafted when they leave their country. A few months back police found some mass graves in Malaysian jungles where smugglers were holding Rohingyas as ransom.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_insurgency_in_Western_Myanmar[/url]
the situation, although quite fucked up, is more complex than time makes it seem, take a read, its not like the rohingya are completely innocent.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;49019070]its not like the rohingya are completely innocent.[/QUOTE]
Okay, that's enough justification for me to vote for an ethnic cleansing.
[QUOTE=New Cidem;49019379]Okay, that's enough justification for me to vote for an ethnic cleansing.[/QUOTE]
i never said that, and you know it.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;49013445]you are an ape on the third rock from the sun, that enjoys killing things.[/B] And if you don't believe me, when is the last time you played a first person shooter? When's the last time you played a video game, or watched an action movie, or anything ever? Almost every fucking medium of some sort has you stomping on goombas, or shooting Nazis, or watching the cops take down the bad guys on CSI. People love killing. That's just the way it is. That's the way it will always be. And blaming it on anything, even how ridiculous and retarded their beliefs are, is wrong. Someone is going to fucking do it.[/QUOTE]
Unless you're a sociopath, killing things in a video game or watching a movie is not comparable to killing someone in real life
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;49019416]i never said that, and you know it.[/QUOTE]
what were you trying to say then?
i mean yeah they've had separatist movements for years and the burmese state has historically mistreated certain minorities extremely badly - why else would they rise up in armed rebellion?
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;49019416]i never said that, and you know it.[/QUOTE]
What do you expect though? There's not one ethic group on the planet that wouldn't have extremist cells if that ethic group was facing genocide and extreme racism.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;49019070]
the situation, although quite fucked up, is more complex than time makes it seem, take a read, its not like the rohingya are completely innocent.[/QUOTE]
Stop oppressing them or respect their nationalism and give them a nation.
Oh wait, thats never right anymore.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49021551]Stop oppressing them or respect their nationalism and give them a nation.
Oh wait, thats never right anymore.[/QUOTE]
if you actually read about it, you'll see there is a fair share of islamic extremism in the mix involving bangladesh and india, plus there is pakistan is involved in inciting terrorist cells(because they want to annoy neighboring's india right next door too).
its not hard to see why the situation is waaaay more complex than it looks, and how the seperatist movement with VERY old ties with islamic extremism(since the 70s) doesn't make things any easier, the fact pakistan decided to stick itself in the mix to fuck with india makes it even worse.
turns out the world is a little more complicated than black and white, who would've thought.
[url]http://usiblog.in/2015/08/emerging-threat-of-militancy-in-the-myanmar-bangladesh-border-and-implications-for-india/[/url]
which is why i said the situation is fucked up, but far more complicated than what time's report made it seem.
[QUOTE=Blue Meanie;49012035]When can humans collectively drop their animalistic instincts? I hate this age we live in, the stuff to witness is unreal. As an intelligent species, it is sickeningly unreal.[/QUOTE]
This separation between us and animals is exactly the reasoning we use to do things like irrevocably destroy the environment.
Base instinct drives a lot of decisions, even for the most rational of us.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;49019416]i never said that, and you know it.[/QUOTE]
I know, [b]I[/b] said it!
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