[QUOTE]An overwhelming majority of Americans believe that cities that arrest illegal immigrants for crimes should be required to turn them over to federal authorities.
The poll shows that President Trump has broad public support in his effort to crack down on sanctuary cities.
A survey from Harvard–Harris Poll provided exclusively to The Hill found that 80 percent of voters say local authorities should have to comply with the law by reporting to federal agents the illegal immigrants they come into contact with.
As it stands, hundreds of cities across the nation — many with Democratic mayors or city councils — are refusing to do so.
Trump has signed an executive order directing Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly to find ways to starve these sanctuary cities of federal funding. A Reuters analysis found the top 10 sanctuary cities in the U.S. receive $2.27 billion in federal funding for programs ranging from public health services to early childhood education.[/QUOTE]
Source: [URL="http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/320487-poll-americans-overwhelmingly-oppose-sanctuary-cities"]Hill[/URL]
Edit: A slim Majority Does NOT wan't to build a wall. but increase border security.
This just in majority of citizens care about crime!
It legitimately fucking baffles me that people don't want to deport noncitizens engaged in criminal behavior.
Sure, wait until they are actually convicted before going anywhere, but once they're convicted, fuck em.
A majority of citizens don't understand sanctuary policy other than "CITIES AREN'T OBEYING THE LAW!" its just cities AND COUNTIES telling officers not to frisk everybody they see for green-cards like the law actually says.
[editline]21st February 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;51856362]It legitimately fucking baffles me that people don't want to deport noncitizens engaged in criminal behavior.
Sure, wait until they are actually convicted before going anywhere, but once they're convicted, fuck em.[/QUOTE]
the actual law that the republicans say that needs to be enforced has nothing to do about crime or criminal intent, you have to be able to present a greencard at all times which means cops can theoretically ask anyone off the street for your greencard or proof of citizenship, which arizona tried to do and was accused of massive racial profiling.
[QUOTE=Sableye;51856365]A majority of citizens don't understand sanctuary policy other than "CITIES AREN'T OBEYING THE LAW!" its just cities AND COUNTIES telling officers not to frisk everybody they see for green-cards like the law actually says.
[editline]21st February 2017[/editline]
the actual law that the republicans say that needs to be enforced has nothing to do about crime or criminal intent, you have to be able to present a greencard at all times which means cops can theoretically ask anyone off the street for your greencard or proof of citizenship, which arizona tried to do and was accused of massive racial profiling.[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? The [i]exact wording[/i] in the survey is:
[QUOTE]Cities that arrest illegal immigrants for crimes should be required to turn them over to immigration authorities[/QUOTE]
Regardless of what laws are being proposed right now there was a very clear unambiguous question: if someone caught committing a crime turns out to be an illegal immigrant, should they have to be turned over to immigration authorities (presumably leading to deportation). That has nothing to do with racial profiling
As for the definition of sanctuary cities, there's no legal definition that corresponds to it so it's kinda up in the air. IMO there's a hell of a lot more to the term than just "telling officers not to frisk everybody".
[QUOTE=Sableye;51856365]A majority of citizens don't understand sanctuary policy other than "CITIES AREN'T OBEYING THE LAW!" its just cities AND COUNTIES telling officers not to frisk everybody they see for green-cards like the law actually says.
[editline]21st February 2017[/editline]
the actual law that the republicans say that needs to be enforced has nothing to do about crime or criminal intent, you have to be able to present a greencard at all times which means cops can theoretically ask anyone off the street for your greencard or proof of citizenship, which arizona tried to do and was accused of massive racial profiling.[/QUOTE]
This exactly. The Republicans don't want to target criminals - they want to target anyone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant, even if that person is living lawfully.
Want an example?
[URL="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/09/arizona-guadalupe-garcia-de-rayos-deported-protests"]Guadalupe Garcia De Rayos[/URL], mother of two American citizens, who are teenagers. Lived in the US for eight years, doing whatever menial work she could find, checked in every year with an immigration officer for work authorization, and was deported to mexico along with hundreds of others thanks to Trump's executive order on the 25th of January.
She had a criminal record, and was a registered felon.
[B]Her only crime? Trying to use a fake social security number to work to feed her family - eight years ago.[/B]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/99uFliq.jpg[/t]
Here is the photo of a protester who tied himself to the wheels of the van carrying her in an attempt to stop the injustice.
This is your America. I'm sure some of you must be very proud.
The point of Sanctuary Cities is that immigration enforcement doesn't ago around looking for people that haven't done anything wrong aside from existing in the wrong spot. To make the implication that Sanctuary Cities are for hiding criminals is extremely dishonest and in my opinion nullifies the entire survey. They worded the survey questions with the intent of gaining a specific outcome.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;51856445]They're not "living lawfully" if they illegally entered the country..
I just don't get it, how can anyone defend illegal immigrants? They're literally breaking the law, and by letting them stay you're just making a fool of anyone that works hard to[I] legally [/I]migrate here.[/QUOTE]
Or disagree that it should be as hard to get there
[QUOTE=Atlascore;51856445]They're not "living lawfully" if they illegally entered the country..
I just don't get it, how can anyone defend illegal immigrants? They're literally breaking the law, and by letting them stay you're just making a fool of anyone that works hard to legally migrate here.[/QUOTE]
No, no you aren't. It's funny how idiots keep saying that allowing illegal immigrants living in the country to stay is somehow hurting legal immigrants. If they're working to support themselves, paying taxes, and contributing to society, they've every right to stay, regardless of how they got in. They're actually helping the economy, and doing jobs that Americans don't want to do. When she was arrested, she was part of a sanitation crew at an Arizona waterpark.
Sure, do whatever you want to stop new illegal immigrants from getting in. But the ones already in the country? Forcefully removing them is a travesty unless they're violent offenders.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;51856445]They're literally breaking the law, and by letting them stay you're just making a fool of anyone that works hard to[I] legally [/I]migrate here.[/QUOTE]
given its very very difficult to legally migrate i'd say it's not that hard to make a fool of them
if i wanted to, i could go down to mexico and pay some regional warlord cash to smuggle me into the country. all i'd have to do after that is get some paperwork (probably from a dead guy) and then melt away into the formless mass of the general US population
by comparison if i wanted to do it legally i'd have to go through a costly bullshit decade-long process that requires me to be actually pretty privileged in terms of education or connections in order to even do it.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;51856466]It should definitely be easier to immigrate to the US, but it being so difficult to come here doesn't give a free pass to those that overstay their visas or illegally cross the border.[/QUOTE]
why not
if they contribute to society and don't go around stealing shit whats the big deal
bet these are the same people who believe the federal government has too much power over the states.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51856461]No, no you aren't. It's funny how idiots keep saying that allowing illegal immigrants living in the country to stay is somehow hurting legal immigrants. If they're working to support themselves, paying taxes, and contributing to society, they've every right to stay, regardless of how they got in. They're actually helping the economy, and doing jobs that Americans don't want to do. When she was arrested, she was part of a sanitation crew at an Arizona waterpark.
Sure, do whatever you want to stop new illegal immigrants from getting in. But the ones already in the country? Forcefully removing them is a travesty unless they're violent offenders.[/QUOTE]
So by your definition, if 90% of the refugees moving into selected countries such as Sweden, Germany and UK started to abide by there. The civilian population should put up with it?
And, by your definition again, the ultra-rich Chinese moving into Vancouver is perfectly acceptable with their money, despite keeping housing prices up wherever they move to, due to grossly overbidding and keeping anyone who's been living there unable to buy a house?
[QUOTE=archangel125;51856431]The Republicans don't want to target criminals
She had a criminal record, and was a registered felon.[/QUOTE]
:thinking:
A convicted felon broke the law and got sent home. I am so ashamed of my country for enforcing the law!
[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;51856490]So by your definition, if 90% of the refugees moving into selected countries such as Sweden, Germany and UK started to abide by there. The civilian population should put up with it?
And, by your definition again, the ultra-rich Chinese moving into Vancouver is perfectly acceptable with their money, despite keeping housing prices up wherever they move to, due to grossly overbidding and keeping anyone who's been living there unable to buy a house?[/QUOTE]
Abso-fucking lutely. If someone follows a country's laws, contributes to society there and integrates fully with the culture, they belong there.
If you want to blame someone for the housing problem in Vancouver, blame the government for not properly regulating the market to make such ploys impossible or inconvenient. You're saying those ultra-rich Chinese somehow don't belong because they're illegitimate? Even the citizens and legit permanent residents among them? Grow the fuck up.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;51856503]:thinking:
A convicted felon broke the law and got sent home. I am so ashamed of my country for enforcing the law![/QUOTE]
Well, shit. You may as well start deporting US citizens for misdemeanors, to whatever country their ancestors immigrated from. Same logic.
[editline]21st February 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Atlascore;51856512]Yes, yes you are. By letting those that come here illegally stay, you're a making mockery of those that spent years going through our immigration process, paying the fees, etc, by handing a free pass to people that broke the fucking law.
You're literally letting people that cheated the system get away with it.[/QUOTE]
Tell that to her kids, who were born and grew up in the US.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;51856512]Yes, yes you are. By letting those that come here illegally stay, you're a making mockery of those that spent years going through our immigration process, paying the fees, etc, by handing a free pass to people that broke the fucking law.
You're literally letting people that cheated the system get away with it.[/QUOTE]
don't people cheat the US legal system all the time anyways by smoking weed (in turn making a mockery of those who don't smoke weed but wish they could, but follow the law dutifully)?
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51856524]You left out the crime. Which is milder than a parking ticket IMO. Which shouldnt be a criminal offense in the first place (in these circumstances).[/QUOTE]
Fraud of our social security system shouldn't be a crime and is milder than a parking offense.
That's hilarious.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;51856544]Fraud of our social security system shouldn't be a crime and is milder than a parking offense.
That's hilarious.[/QUOTE]
No, he's right.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51856548]No, he's right.[/QUOTE]
what a compelling argument
[QUOTE=archangel125;51856517]Well, shit. You may as well start deporting US citizens for misdemeanors, to whatever country their ancestors immigrated from. Same logic.[/QUOTE]
Deporting people who are descendants of legal immigrants for misdemeanours is the same as deporting illegal immigrants committing felonies? I think you maybe might wanna stop telling people to grow up and think about what you're saying for a bit man. Immigration law/processes may be bullshit but what you're advocating for is total insanity in response
[QUOTE=Atlascore;51856445]They're not "living lawfully" if they illegally entered the country..
I just don't get it, how can anyone defend illegal immigrants? They're literally breaking the law, and by letting them stay you're just making a fool of anyone that works hard to[I] legally [/I]migrate here.[/QUOTE]
By that logic, anyone who gets caught with even a scrap of marijuana on them belongs in federal prison.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;51856542]So just because something is difficult that means you should just be allowed to cheat? That's a pretty ridiculous stance.
They literally broke the law, that's the "big deal".[/QUOTE]
americans break the law when they smoke weed
like is that unjustifed too or
The thing with cracking down on "sanctuary cities" and illegal immigration overall is that it's just hilariously inefficient. I don't care what political party you affiliate with, it's a stupid waste of money that could be better spent on a multitude of things, including just making it easier for people to legally immigrate. I'll just use this link as the generic amount this would cost right here ([URL]https://www.americanactionforum.org/research/the-budgetary-and-economic-costs-of-addressing-unauthorized-immigration-alt/[/URL]). Using the lowest estimate of just the cost of deportation and not the other economic impacts it would clearly have, we're talking $100 billion dollarydoos. The highest estimate I've seen for something like free education for instance, was $75 billion. It's ridiculous that my fellow Americans can be so blind to the fact that it's not exactly that people "support" illegal immigration so much as the educated people of the country understand that it isn't a massive priority.
Hell i'll go a step further, if you genuinely believe that any of the massive problems that plague our country are the effort of any immigrants, legal or otherwise, you probably have no business near politics in general.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51856576]Average American doesnt need mathematics as much as he needs protection from the vile Immigration Law offenders
Especially the ones that use other people's SSNs or make up one to work and give in to the system more than they take[/QUOTE]
Well, nobody ever accused Conservatives of having intelligent priorities.
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[QUOTE=Elspin;51856565]Deporting people who are descendants of legal immigrants for misdemeanours is the same as deporting illegal immigrants committing felonies? I think you maybe might wanna stop telling people to grow up and think about what you're saying for a bit man. Immigration law/processes may be bullshit but what you're advocating for is total insanity in response[/QUOTE]
You may wish to consider that the only reason using a fake SSN is a felony is because they want to keep tabs on people for arbitrary deportation later.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;51856614]Are you guys really trying to compare our awful recreational drug laws, which were pushed for all the wrong reasons, to our immigration laws? You do realize that every country on the planet has an immigration process, right? "Living lawfully" doesn't fly anywhere else so why should it in the US?[/QUOTE]
you're saying "they literally broke the law" as to why they are so bad
smoking weed is breaking the law as well
also what's stopping your immigration laws from being awful and pushed for all the wrong reasons too?
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;51856620]Haven't most states in the union decriminalized possession of weed anyway[/QUOTE]
federally it's still illegal
[QUOTE=Atlascore;51856614]Are you guys really trying to compare our awful recreational drug laws, which were pushed for all the wrong reasons, to our immigration laws? You do realize that every country on the planet has an immigration process, right? "Living lawfully" doesn't fly anywhere else so why should it in the US?[/QUOTE]
Our immigration process is awful too.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51856524]You left out the crime. Which is milder than a parking ticket IMO. Which shouldnt be a criminal offense in the first place (in these circumstances).[/QUOTE]
Identity theft and social security fraud, no biggie!
[QUOTE=Atlascore;51856614]Are you guys really trying to compare our awful recreational drug laws, which were pushed for all the wrong reasons, to our immigration laws?[/QUOTE]
your immigration laws are awful and pushed for the wrong reasons as well
[QUOTE=srobins;51856631]Identity theft and social security fraud, no biggie![/QUOTE]
What? It was a fake SSN. Ergo, not identity theft. Nor is it really fraud, because she was trying to find work, not claim government benefits.
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