Deaths in Israel-Lebanon clash - Polidicks

[quote]At least three Lebanese soldiers have been killed by Israeli forces during an exchange of rocket and gunfire along the border between the two countries. A journalist was also killed, and five more Lebanese soldiers wounded in the Israeli shelling on Tuesday. "The Israelis fired four rockets that fell near a Lebanese army position in the village of Adaisseh and the Lebanese army fired back," a Lebanese security official in the area said. Hezbollah's Al Manar television station said a high-ranking Israeli soldier was also killed in the border incident. The report could not be independently verified, and the Israeli army refused to comment. Lebanese news sources reported that the journalist killed was Assaf Abou Rahhal, from the Lebanese newspaper Al-Akhbar. Lebanese witnesses said that Israeli shells are continuing to hit Adaisseh village. The clashes erupted after Israeli soldiers reportedly attempted to uproot trees on the Lebanese side of the border. 'Maximum restraint' A spokesman for Unifil, the United Nations peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon, confirmed the fighting and urged both sides to use "maximum restraint". "Unifil peacekeepers are in the area and are trying to ascertain the circumstances of the incident and any possible casualties," said Neeraj Singh. "Our immediate priority at this time is to restore calm in the area." Saad Hariri, the Lebanese prime minister, called it a "violation of Lebanese sovereignty and demands". He called in a statement for "the United Nations and the international community bear their responsibilities and pressure Israel to stop its aggression." Michel Sleiman, the Lebanese president, issued his own statement denouncing the clash as a violation of UN resolution 1701. That resolution ended the 2006 war between Israel and Hezbollah, and called for both Israel and Lebanon to respect the Blue Line, the UN-administered border between the two countries. Sleiman also called on the Lebanese army to "confront any Israeli aggression, whatever the sacrifices". "This is a very significant development," said Rula Amin, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Beirut. "For the first time in years, clashes are taking place between Israel and the Lebanese army, not Hezbollah." Avigdor Lieberman, the Israeli foreign minister, said Israel "holds the Lebanese government responsible" for the incident, and asked the Israeli envoy to the UN to file a complaint.[/quote] [url=http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/08/20108310240207599.html]Source[/url]

[quote]avigdor lieberman, the israeli foreign minister, said israel "holds the lebanese government responsible" for the incident, and asked the israeli envoy to the un to file a complaint.[/quote] [b]mummy he started it[/b]

if the Israeli government made the first move by uprooting the trees on the other side of the border, then they are very much in the wrong. However, it is important not to jump to conclusions. For all we know, the Lebanese may have acted first, unprovoked. If a full fledged war starts because of a few trees, it will be the most pointless war of all time.

[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;23800148]if the Israeli government made the first move by uprooting the trees on the other side of the border, then they are very much in the wrong. However, it is important not to jump to conclusions. For all we know, the Lebanese may have acted first, unprovoked. If a full fledged war starts because of a few trees, it will be the most pointless war of all time.[/QUOTE] [B]ITS A TREE[/B]! Do you find it reasonable starting fire because of a tree?

[QUOTE=Ker‎o;23800211][B]ITS A TREE[/B]! Do you find it reasonable starting fire because of a tree?[/QUOTE] Perhaps you should read my post a little better. If infact, israel did send soldiers to the other side of the border to remove a tree or two, then starting fire over it is an over reaction, but at the same time sending soldiers over the border is a very provocative act.

Damn that's pretty close to where I live.

[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;23800354]Perhaps you should read my post a little better. If infact, israel did send soldiers to the other side of the border to remove a tree or two, then starting fire over it is an over reaction, but at the same time sending soldiers over the border is a very provocative act.[/QUOTE] Thing is, it's [b]NOT[/b] over that border, but over the fence, but still well inside Israeli territory as recognized by the UN.

And now Assad joins the party. [QUOTE=RP.;23800779]Thing is, it's [b]NOT[/b] over that border, but over the fence, but still well inside Israeli territory as recognized by the UN.[/QUOTE] From what I read you're correct. The IDF did a military drill in that area to prepare to against cases of kidnaps/attempted kidnaps. It was Lebanon who violated Israel's sovereignty in this case.

[QUOTE=Ker‎o;23800211][B]ITS A TREE[/B]! Do you find it reasonable starting fire because of a tree?[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe_Murder_Incident[/url] It is worth it when Kim Jong planted the tree.

Again, they were in territory that is recognized as Israeli territory BY THE FUCKING UN How is that a crime? Lets see what several people think that happened here- -Israeli soldiers patrol along the border and are sent to remove a tree (it's a very standard procedure that is coordinated with UNIFEL and the Lebanese army , trees often obscure visibility of the border) -Lebanese soldiers fire at those Israeli soldiers -Israel fires back Conclusion-Israel is to blame. WHAT THE FUCK [editline]05:47PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Keeshond v2;23800148] If a full fledged war starts because of a few trees, it will be the most pointless war of all time.[/QUOTE] I find that unlikely. The Israeli government doesn't want one, and I am absolutely sure that the Lebanese government doesn't want one either. What I think happened is that two Lebanese soldiers were misinformed or didn't know exactly where the border is located, and started firing because of it. This sparked a whole chain recation. I don't blame the Lebanese nor the Israeli government for this, I think it was merely a mistake.

According to an article in the Israeli media, the IDF says that two soldiers were wounded severely because of a planned sniper ambush of the Lebanese military. And now the guy who occupied Lebanon until 2005, assassinated the Lebanese president and helps Hizballah to continue it's control over most of Lebanon (being stronger than the Lebanese army) "Vows to help Lebanon": [url]http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3929712,00.html[/url]

[QUOTE=ohadje;23801010]According to an article in the Israeli media, the IDF says that two soldiers were wounded severely because of a planned sniper ambush of the Lebanese military.[/QUOTE] Two commanders, actually.

So who was it?

[QUOTE=wanksta11;23801266]So who was it?[/QUOTE] Lebanese soldiers...

If this happened over the korean border, they'd be sanctioning one another.

[QUOTE=ohadje;23801010] And now the guy who occupied Lebanon until 2005, assassinated the Lebanese president and helps Hizballah to continue it's control over most of Lebanon (being stronger than the Lebanese army) "Vows to help Lebanon": [url]http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3929712,00.html[/url][/QUOTE] "Criminal Israeli aggression" LOL It's him basically saying-"How DARE the Israelis return fire?"

[QUOTE=ohadje;23800775]Damn that's pretty close to where I live.[/QUOTE] Shit we missed.

[QUOTE=Sickle;23801417]Shit we missed.[/QUOTE] Fuck off.

BTW It is now reported that an Israeli commander, Lieutenant Colonel Dov Harari has died in the incident. A company commander is also severely wounded.

[QUOTE=ohadje;23801427]Fuck off.[/QUOTE] Sour puss.

[QUOTE=A Dead Guy;23801434]BTW It is now reported that an Israeli commander, Lieutenant Colonel Dov Harari has died in the incident. A company commander is also severely wounded.[/QUOTE] [quote]A journalist was also killed, and five more Lebanese soldiers wounded in the Israeli shelling on Tuesday.[/quote]

[QUOTE=IStanI;23801605][/QUOTE] I am aware of that, IStanI. Wasn't this written in the article? What I wrote was only now published.

[QUOTE=Sickle;23801465]Sour puss.[/QUOTE] It's easy to talk about how ineffective the shelling is when it's not landing in your backyard, huh?

According to what is currently published, the IDF reckons that the action taken by the Lebanese military was a local initiative from lower in command (in other words, somebody in the Lebanese army fucked up).

Wow, Deadguy relax. You're repeating the Israeli claim to the incident over Lebanon's and we all know the IDF isn't neccessirly an honest military (Denial of WP). The CNN article said they were trying to install cameras and remove a tree in Lebense terrority, according to the Lebense military. and the IDF say the opposite. Yet you weren't even hesitent to believe The IDF's claim despite them even lying about WP. So stop taking what they say as fact because you favor Israel. Use a little logic first.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;23801656]It's easy to talk about how ineffective the shelling is when it's not landing in your backyard, huh?[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you talking about, I took a stab at Ohadje, not the so-called ineffective shelling. Quit trying to assume that I approve of the wrongs.

[QUOTE=starpluck;23803102]Wow, Deadguy relax. You're repeating the Israeli claim to the incident over Lebanon's and we all know the IDF isn't neccessirly an honest military (Denial of WP). The CNN article said they were trying to install cameras and remove a tree in Lebense terrority, according to the Lebense military. and the IDF say the opposite. Yet you weren't even hesitent to believe The IDF's claim despite them even lying about WP. So stop taking what they say as fact because you favor Israel. Use a little logic first.[/QUOTE] And you favor Lebanon by instantly believing their claims. Just because they weren't credible in one incident does not mean that they aren't now. And besides, if they were installing cameras, why would they do it in broad day light? And why would they do it in Lebanese territory when they can easily do it in Israeli territory?

[QUOTE=Sickle;23803187]What the fuck are you talking about, I took a stab at Ohadje, not the so-called ineffective shelling. Quit trying to assume that I approve of the wrongs.[/QUOTE] Sour puss.

No I never said I favored any side, and you seem to have a habit to belive a country quickly despite it's past bullshit. I'm not apart IDF so I wouldn't know and it's irrelevant.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;23803292]Sour puss.[/QUOTE] It's easy to talk about how ineffective the shelling is when it's not landing in your backyard, huh?