Chelsea Manning 'may sue' over gender dysphoria therapy - Polidicks

[QUOTE]A lawyer for convicted US document leaker Chelsea Manning has threatened to sue the Army if she is not given sex change therapy in military prison. Nancy Hollander said the Army had an obligation to treat Pte First Class Manning for her "transgender issues". And she said Pte Manning would not be safe if transferred to a civilian prison for treatment there. Formerly known as Bradley, Pte Manning is serving a 35-year sentence for leaking classified files to Wikileaks. After her conviction last year, the former Army intelligence analyst announced she wanted to live as a woman.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-27480178[/url]

There's literally no reason to deny a prisoner medical procedures or therapy they need. you don't restrict life saving medicine from someone with a life threatening illness. [editline]19th May 2014[/editline] so more power to her. [editline]19th May 2014[/editline] also im glad this article is using the right pronouns and name

[QUOTE=Paige;44852420]There's literally no reason to deny a prisoner medical procedures or therapy they need. you don't restrict life saving medicine from someone with a life threatening illness. [editline]19th May 2014[/editline] so more power to her. [editline]19th May 2014[/editline] also im glad this article is using the right pronouns and name[/QUOTE] good luck convincing most of the people here that it is life threatening and not some silly request.

[QUOTE=Paige;44852420]There's literally no reason to deny a prisoner medical procedures or therapy they need. you don't restrict life saving medicine from someone with a life threatening illness. [editline]19th May 2014[/editline] so more power to her. [editline]19th May 2014[/editline] also im glad this article is using the right pronouns and name[/QUOTE] How is this something she *needs*? For the idiots rating dumb: I'm genuinely curious.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;44852458]good luck convincing most of the people here that it is life threatening and not some silly request.[/QUOTE] i'd post the suicide rates of transgender people for the umpteenth time but it doesn't really matter since the people who think that way anyway aren't going to read it or take it into account. [editline]19th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=BuffaloBill;44852469]How is this something she *needs*?[/QUOTE] transgender people not given the proper care and hormones are incredibly likely to kill themselves.

i'm not saying no she doesn't need them but it's incredibly hard to kill yourself in a maximum security military prison

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;44852537]i'm not saying no she doesn't need them but it's incredibly hard to kill yourself in a maximum security military prison[/QUOTE] i can imagine a few ways, but yea you're right in that respect

[QUOTE=Paige;44852420]There's literally no reason to deny a prisoner medical procedures or therapy they need. [B]you don't restrict life saving medicine from someone with a life threatening illness.[/B] [editline]19th May 2014[/editline] so more power to her. [editline]19th May 2014[/editline] also im glad this article is using the right pronouns and name[/QUOTE] Actually, my uncle who's in prison was denied his kidney meds. He has kidney failure, it took my family 4 months and a court order to get him his meds.

if you think this request is somehow irrational then you probably just outright don't care about others in the first place

Don't forget that Chelsea Manning revealed the extent that the US military covered up human rights atrocities and the least they can do is not treat her like shit.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;44852469]How is this something she *needs*?[/QUOTE] gender dysphoria leads to depression and greatly increases the risk of suicide. imagine living your life where your brain does not match your bodily organs, and then consider all of the confusion and despair caused when, while on one hand, everyone around you is inflicting upon you the stereotypes and expectations associated with your genitals, and yet on the other hand, you're constantly being told by your brain "NO THIS IS NOT THE CORRECT GENDER PLEASE STOP" people who are transgendered literally have brain structures matching their gender identities, not the bodies they were born with. the simplest, most effective, and most ethical way to treat this dysphoria is to allow for hormone therapy and surgery. and please don't say something like "yeah well other prisoners are depressed too and they don't get shit", because that is also a bad thing, and anyone (prisoner or otherwise) who has emotional problems deserves access to help and support.

[QUOTE=joes33431;44852600]gender dysphoria leads to depression and greatly increases the risk of suicide. imagine living your life where your brain does not match your bodily organs, and then consider all of the confusion and despair caused when, while on one hand, everyone around you is inflicting upon you the stereotypes and expectations associated with your genitals, and yet on the other hand, you're constantly being told by your brain "NO THIS IS NOT THE CORRECT GENDER PLEASE STOP" people who are transgendered literally have brain structures matching their gender identities, not the bodies they were born with. the simplest, most effective, and most ethical way to treat this dysphoria is to allow for hormone therapy and surgery. and please don't say something like "yeah well other prisoners are depressed too and they don't get shit", because that is also a bad thing, and anyone (prisoner or otherwise) who has emotional problems deserves access to help and support.[/QUOTE] pretty much, though its important that there's different levels of transition that makes people feel comfortable. Not everyone wan't surgery for example.

[QUOTE=Cructo;44852621]good thing we the non-criminal population suffering from depression have to pay for our treatment[/QUOTE] i love how people think that it's okay to take nice things away from other people because [I]they themselves[/I] don't get them. here's a better solution: nationalize health insurance and give everyone access to free health/psych care. wow amazing

If a poor person who isn't a criminal can't get access to mental healthcare then I say that takes precedent over a prisoner.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;44852671]If a poor person who isn't a criminal can't get access to mental healthcare then I say that takes precedent over a prisoner.[/QUOTE] are you even remotely aware of the justice system in countries like norway or sweden? you're treated like a human being, not an asset. there's a fairly good reason why most countries don't have private healthcare: it's wasteful and it doesn't care about the end counsumer.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;44852688]are you even remotely aware of the justice system in countries like norway or sweden? you're treated like a human being, not an asset.[/QUOTE] What? I was talking about my own experience with trying to get mental healthcare, and this prisoner who is in the US, why the condescending remark about some other countries system? why is this funny? What am I missing here? I said something about me (a US citizen) and the prisoner (a US citizen) in reference to the US healthcare system and ownederd comes back with this condescending and irrelevant post about sweden?

[QUOTE=Ownederd;44852583]if you think this request is somehow irrational then you probably just outright don't care about others in the first place[/QUOTE] This "with us or against us" attitude doesn't help

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;44852705]This "with us or against us" attitude doesn't help[/QUOTE] transphobia is literally black and white. you either accept someone for who they are and help them, or you don't (which is obv. wrong)

So wait, you leak information that could kill U.S soldiers and you want special treatment? Fuck off, Bradley.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;44852714]transphobia is literally black and white. you either accept someone for who they are and help them, or you don't (which is obv. wrong)[/QUOTE] except that's not the issue, the issue is why should a prisoner have care paid for by taxpayers that law abiding but poor citizens can't?

[QUOTE=frozensoda;44852722]except that's not the issue, the issue is why should a prisoner have care paid for by taxpayers that law abiding but poor citizens can't?[/QUOTE] read v [QUOTE]i love how people think that it's okay to take nice things away from other people because they themselves don't get them. here's a better solution: nationalize health insurance and give everyone access to free health/psych care. wow amazing[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ownederd;44852735]read v[/QUOTE] That's great, but it's not a thing. It doesn't exist. it doesn't answer the issue I raised. Why should Chelsea Manning receive treatment paid for by taxpayers when I couldn't and I've never been convicted of a crime?

[QUOTE=joes33431;44852600]gender dysphoria leads to depression and greatly increases the risk of suicide. imagine living your life where your brain does not match your bodily organs, and then consider all of the confusion and despair caused when, while on one hand, everyone around you is inflicting upon you the stereotypes and expectations associated with your genitals, and yet on the other hand, you're constantly being told by your brain "NO THIS IS NOT THE CORRECT GENDER PLEASE STOP" people who are transgendered literally have brain structures matching their gender identities, not the bodies they were born with. the simplest, most effective, and most ethical way to treat this dysphoria is to allow for hormone therapy and surgery. and please don't say something like "yeah well other prisoners are depressed too and they don't get shit", because that is also a bad thing, and anyone (prisoner or otherwise) who has emotional problems deserves access to help and support.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying it isn't something she needs, I was genuinely curious.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;44852722]except that's not the issue, the issue is why should a prisoner have care paid for by taxpayers that law abiding but poor citizens can't?[/QUOTE] prisoners getting taxpayer-funded treatment for conditions that private citizens have to pay to get treatment for is a problem with America's healthcare system, not it's prison system.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;44852469]How is this something she *needs*?[/QUOTE] I just got out of the hospital for attempted suicide you want me to explain exactly how this is a life threatening condition? Do I have to pull out that [URL="http://www.yspp.org/about_suicide/statistics.htm"]50% of trans teens have attempted suicide[/URL]? Do I have to explain about how often trans people get forced into prostitution to earn a living or do you understand the necessity of it now?

[QUOTE=frozensoda;44852750]That's great, but it's not a thing? It doesn't exist? it doesn't answer the issue I raised? Why should Chelsea Manning receive treatment paid for by taxpayers when I couldn't and I've never been convicted of a crime?[/QUOTE] do you know anything about gender dysphoria? she could literally kill herself if she doesn't get professional support

[QUOTE=frozensoda;44852722]except that's not the issue, the issue is why should a prisoner have care paid for by taxpayers that law abiding but poor citizens can't?[/QUOTE] Because they're human beings. She's there, they've already wasted shit loads of cash to get and keep her there, why not a little more? Or be sensible and make NATIONAL HEALTHCARE a thing. But then we'd seem like commies, and Americans don't like socialist medicines.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;44852761]do you know anything about gender dysphoria? she could literally kill herself if she doesn't get professional support[/QUOTE] devils advocate a. i'd wager that 80% of persons incarcerated in military prisons are depressed due to being incarcerated b. it's basically impossible to kill yourself in a maxsec military prison

[QUOTE=Ownederd;44852761]do you know anything about gender dysphoria? she could literally kill herself if she doesn't get professional support[/QUOTE] I literally tried to kill myself and still couldn't get treatment beyond a 3 day stay in a room by myself. I don't feel sorry for her because she committed a crime that put people at risk, and people who didn't do that take precedent over her for treatment, which we currently cannot get. I get it, you really feel for transgender people's issues and if this were anyone else who wasn't in prison, I would agree that they should get treatment. I'm for the same type of system you are, I just think that it would be a travesty of justice for criminals to be allowed treatment that non-criminals can't get because they are poor.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;44852757]I just got out of the hospital for attempted suicide you want me to explain exactly how this is a life threatening condition? Do I have to pull out that [URL="http://www.yspp.org/about_suicide/statistics.htm"]50% of trans teens have attempted suicide[/URL]? Do I have to explain about how often trans people get forced into prostitution to earn a living or do you understand the necessity of it now?[/QUOTE] Did I hurt your feelings or something? There's no need to be a cunt just because you don't like someone asking a question. It sucks that you're in that position, but that doesn't give you the right to lash out at others asking a simple question.