Gabe Newell: Windows 8 a 'catastrophe,' wristband input could be the future of gaming - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/25/3186615/valve-gabe-newell-gaming-interface-windows-8-interview"][QUOTE][/URL][URL="http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/25/3186615/valve-gabe-newell-gaming-interface-windows-8-interview"]Valve has frequently been at the forefront of both gaming and software distribution, and co-founder Gabe Newell has given a rare interview on the future of gaming platforms, input methods, and digital distribution. [/URL][URL="http://allthingsd.com/20120725/valves-gabe-newell-on-the-future-of-games-wearable-computers-windows-8-and-more/"][I]AllThingsD [/I]has published[/URL] selections of the talk between Newell and former Microsoft game publishing vice president Ed Fries. The PC-focused company isn't currently planning any groundbreaking input products, but Newell speculated about "post-touch" systems that could use hand or even tongue motions and long outlast current touch interfaces, which he sees as "short-term." "I don’t think tongue input will happen, but I do think we will have bands on our wrists, and you’ll be doing something with your hands, which are really expressive." [URL="http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/13/2947088/valve-reveals-secret-hardware-project-wearable-computing"]Valve's own wearable computer[/URL], however, is still very much a work in progress, and "can overlay information on objects regardless of what my head or eyes are doing. Your eyes are troublesome buggers." [URL="http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/25/3186615/valve-gabe-newell-gaming-interface-windows-8-interview"]Newell also emphasized the [/URL][URL="http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/7/16/3163717/left-4-dead-2-to-be-first-valve-game-on-linux"]decision to launch on Linux[/URL], calling it a boon for the operating system as well as a "hedging strategy" against Microsoft. "I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space. I think we’ll lose some of the top tier PC / OEMs, who will exit the market. I think margins will be destroyed for a bunch of people. If that’s true, then it will be good to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality." Read the rest for more about Steam and how Photoshop should look like a free-to-play game, and absolutely nothing about [I]Half-Life 2: Episode 3[/I]. [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/25/3186615/valve-gabe-newell-gaming-interface-windows-8-interview[/URL]

Tongue motion, for the most lazy of them all.

Gabe Newell has spoken.

[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;36931251]Well... I wouldn't quite call it a 'catastrophe'...[/QUOTE] Whether or not it is catastrophic is defined by how much people like it. You can sit here and defend it all you like but when most people irrationally despise it, that makes it a catastrophe.

I wish he'd at least actually list the reasons he thinks that - the best way to make yourself look like an idiot is to call something that objectively has a tonne of improvements a "catastrophe".

Don't see how Windows 8 is a catastrophe. In the times I've used it, I absolutely love it.

I hate the way Windows 8 is going pointlessly in the tablet direction, but I wouldn't call it a catastrophe. What are you doing Gabe.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36931304]Whether or not it is catastrophic is defined by how much people like it. You can sit here and defend it all you like but when most people irrationally despise it, that makes it a catastrophe.[/QUOTE] Let me clarify. I think the OS is good for my needs (though overly extensive at times). However if my grandma doesn't like it (and I can tell she won't), and my grandpa, and my mom, and my dad, and my sister, then it's a catastrophe. Average joes are going to hate it.

[QUOTE=Elspin;36931310]I wish he'd at least actually list the reasons he thinks that - the best way to make yourself look like an idiot is to call something that objectively has a tonne of improvements a "catastrophe".[/QUOTE] He changed his opinion before (PS3, anyone?).

Not sure how Windows 8 could be considered a "catastrophe" from a game developer's perspective. It's the same as Windows 7 but with a new input method and mobile support tacked on. Whether the Metro interface will be well-received by grandparents is completely irrelevant to that perspective; nothing was removed that was present in 7. If he means that it's bad how Win8 continues to push touch technology instead of developing support for new creative input methods, that's hardly worth calling a "catastrophe".

Introducing a marketplace for developers to create applications is a catastrophe?

Wristband input, sure. What has Gabe been smoking?

[QUOTE=Foda;36931385]Introducing a marketplace for developers to create applications is a catastrophe?[/QUOTE] Oh wow, I just realized he's been trashing the operating system with no reason given, and it's releasing a digital distribution store that essentially competes with his. Not gonna put my tin foil hat on yet, but that is kinda shifty.

[QUOTE=Foda;36931385]Introducing a marketplace for developers to create applications is a catastrophe?[/QUOTE] YES, if practically everyone that sits down at it hates it, YES. I am not advocating any mob rule, or that any majority of people disliking something makes it a bad product. [I]I LIKE Windows 8.[/I] But when people despise it, when 90% of reviews on Newegg or Amazon are going to be about how terrible it is, it's going to be bad for the businesses who are meant to provide it.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36931304]Whether or not it is catastrophic is defined by how much people like it. You can sit here and defend it all you like but when most people irrationally despise it, that makes it a catastrophe.[/QUOTE] Over 10 Million people downloaded and installed Windows 8. 10 Million people created a new partition and installed a beta OS, which is crazy when you think about it.

[QUOTE=Populus89;36931337]I hate the way Windows 8 is going pointlessly in the tablet direction, but I wouldn't call it a catastrophe. What are you doing Gabe.[/QUOTE] Valve presents their business ideas in a very stream-of-consciousness style. The upside is that they're always very honest but the downside is that they sometimes say really stupid things.

From his perspective it is, because of the Windows Store - all Metro programs have to be purchased from there, and I doubt Valve would like that. Also there's Xbox Live integration.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;36931395]Wristband input, sure. What has Gabe been smoking?[/QUOTE] sausages

[QUOTE=Elspin;36931421]Oh wow, I just realized he's been trashing the operating system with no reason given, and it's releasing a digital distribution store that essentially competes with his. Not gonna put my tin foil hat on yet, but that is kinda shifty.[/QUOTE] The only kind of games you'll see in the Windows Store will be those casual games like Upset Birds and Cut the String. I doubt Steam will be affected by it.

[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;36931447]Pffft... Like anyone's gonna use it[/QUOTE] All those people who buy a Surface will.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36931304]when most people irrationally despise it, that makes it a catastrophe.[/QUOTE] That's.. not true at all.

[QUOTE=AK'z;36931474]That's.. not true at all.[/QUOTE] Yes, it is. Windows 8 will be a catastrophe in the same sense that Psychonauts was a catastrophe. A good operating system and a good video game, but both of them result in immediate problems from the company that created them. Psychonauts because nobody bought it. Windows 8 because everyone is going to stubbornly hate it.

[QUOTE=AK'z;36931474]That's.. not true at all.[/QUOTE] It is market wise.

[QUOTE=Panda X;36931453]The only kind of games you'll see in the Windows Store will be those casual games like Upset Birds and Cut the String. I doubt Steam will be affected by it.[/QUOTE] And games like Solitaire, completely stripped of any and all keyboard shortcuts and general PC optimizations. I do like Windows 8, but it does have its stupid shit.

I would wait until we cross the bridge to call it a catastrophe, but looking at windows 8, I am personally sticking with windows 7.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36931527]Yes, it is. Windows 8 will be a catastrophe in the same sense that Psychonauts was a catastrophe. A good operating system and a good video game, but both of them result in immediate problems from the company that created them. Psychonauts because nobody bought it. Windows 8 because everyone is going to stubbornly hate it.[/QUOTE] Yeah but you're talking about "irrational" hatred, as in hatred from people who never use the operating system and are only going by what is said.

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;36931466]Steam should replace Xbawks Liev, its just immeasurably better, re-installing GFWL makes me wan't to bash the living fuck out of my computer.[/QUOTE] They wouldn't make that mistake again.

[QUOTE=AK'z;36931561]Yeah but you're talking about "irrational" hatred, as in hatred from people who never use the operating system and are only going by what is said.[/QUOTE] Do you agree that Microsoft is going to [I]see hell?[/I] If so, then Windows 8 is a catastrophe. [B]Edit:[/B] I should probably provide a more direct retort. People [I]are[/I] using it and hating it.

Strong words from him. I will wait to see by my self, but I think that it's fair to say he's probably one of the more informed people so I won't take this lightly.

from a dev perspective, windows 8 is a catastrophe because as he stated it will lock out a lot of developers and OEMs and instead create a locked system coding and app development environment in which microsoft freely dictates what floats and sinks exactly like apples appstore which is a killing blow to many indie devs who like to tinker with whats already out there and invent things by thinking out side a predetermined box which is the basic premise on what valve has been established on and is hiring people under so yeah, he didnt say catastrophe so some fat inane nerds on a meaningless internet forum will feel offended, as if he'd ever gave a damn, but for devs and the premise of free code tinkering, windows 8 will be a catastrophe, should it catch on [editline]25th July 2012[/editline] also metro looks like it was designed in paint