• Turkey again fires into Syria in retaliation for mortar attacks, for the fourth day in a row.
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[QUOTE]Turkey has fired into Syria for a fourth day after a Syrian mortar landed near a Turkish village, reports say. Turkish troops responded immediately after the mortar landed near the village of Guvecci in Hatay province, according to Turkey's Anadolu Agency. Turkey has been firing into Syria since Syrian mortar fire killed five Turkish civilians on Wednesday. It was the first time Turkey has taken military action across the border since the Syrian uprising began. Early on Saturday, the Anadolu Agency said the Syrian mortar had landed over the border during intense fighting between government troops and rebels in Syria's Idlib province. The rebels are fighting to topple Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's government in an uprising that began in March last year. There were no immediate reports of casualties on the Turkish side. Following the killing of two women and three children in the Turkish border town of Akcakale this week, Turkey's parliament authorised troops to launch cross-border operations against Syria and strike at Syrian targets for a period of one year. The UN Security Council said the incident showed the "grave impact" of the Syrian crisis on "regional peace and stability". On Friday, Turkey moved tanks and anti-aircraft missiles into Akcakale, though Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his country did not want war.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19855180"]BBC[/URL]
Every time Turkey is on the receiving end of fire, they just need to put enough returning fire into the offending area that anything or anyone that may have fired the mortars is, well, no more. Fire if fired upon, but act on it with the fury necessary to drive the idea of firing on Turkish soil out of the minds of anyone that might be so inclined.
I'm surprised they haven't taken stronger action. I'd expect something along the lines of a war declaration by the second time, let along the fourth.
"Turkey has been firing into Syria since Syrian mortar fire killed five Turkish civilians on Wednesday." If they're killing your civilians, I'd expect you to have a pretty damn valid casus belli to go down there and kick their asses.
[QUOTE=deltasquid;37931817]"Turkey has been firing into Syria since Syrian mortar fire killed five Turkish civilians on Wednesday." If they're killing your civilians, I'd expect you to have a pretty damn valid casus belli to go down there and kick their asses.[/QUOTE] Its not really like that. We still have a kurd terrorist problem, and the people doesnt wants another war at the moment.
[QUOTE=deltasquid;37931817]"Turkey has been firing into Syria since Syrian mortar fire killed five Turkish civilians on Wednesday." If they're killing your civilians, I'd expect you to have a pretty damn valid casus belli to go down there and kick their asses.[/QUOTE] Turkey doesn't want to start something that would hurt more Turkish people then necessary.
[QUOTE=deltasquid;37931817]"Turkey has been firing into Syria since Syrian mortar fire killed five Turkish civilians on Wednesday." If they're killing your civilians, I'd expect you to have a pretty damn valid casus belli to go down there and kick their asses.[/QUOTE] I know I would, if some country was firing shells into my shit I'd flip the fuck out.
[QUOTE=Lefter;37931829]Its not really like that. We still have a kurd terrorist problem, and the people doesnt wants another war at the moment.[/QUOTE] Obviously, but since Turkey is a part of NATO, aren't other NATO members allowed to intervene in Syria for Turkey's sake, without having to wait for UN approval?
russia would flip shit if there was a full NATO intervention in syria
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;37931906]russia would flip shit if there was a full NATO intervention in syria[/QUOTE] except even russia wouldn't want to start a war with NATO over syria
well obviously, but russia still isn't really a country you'd want to piss off in general
[QUOTE=Virtanen;37931949]except even russia wouldn't want to start a war with NATO over syria[/QUOTE] Not war, just a border conflict.. if that. No I'm not saying it will happen I'm saying thats the maximum that could happen.
[QUOTE=Laferio;37931840]I know I would, if some country was firing shells into my shit I'd flip the fuck out.[/QUOTE] Whatever is the reason for Turkey to not start a war, starting a war would cause highly exponential casualties compared to stray mortar shells.
[QUOTE=Chernarus;37933112]Not war, just a border conflict. For example, Russia said they may do a pre-emptive conventional strike on NATO's missile shield that they're trying to build with Iskander missiles.[/QUOTE]They might also cut off their penises while erect, superglue them to their foreheads and call themselves unicorns; doesn't mean it's anywhere within the realm of probability.
[QUOTE=Chernarus;37933112]Not war, just a border conflict. For example, Russia said they may do a pre-emptive conventional strike on NATO's missile shield that they're trying to build with Iskander missiles.[/QUOTE] And who did say that and when? I don't remember anyone saying such nonsense apart from internal propaganda, which is not even intended to be taken seriously by anyone.
[QUOTE=gudman;37935837]And who did say that and when? I don't remember anyone saying such nonsense apart from internal propaganda, which is not even intended to be taken seriously by anyone.[/QUOTE] Define internal and then define external. Medvedev said it was a option, albeit last option. I don't take things such as this so seriously I was using it as a example. Did not intend to derail a thread with a example. [editline]6th October 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sgt Doom;37935764]They might also cut off their penises while erect, superglue them to their foreheads and call themselves unicorns; doesn't mean it's anywhere within the realm of probability.[/QUOTE] That was kind of my point, so yes I agree.
[QUOTE=Chernarus;37936042]Define internal and then define external. Medvedev said it was a option, albeit last option. I don't take things such as this so seriously I was using it as a example. Did not intend to derail a thread with a example. [/QUOTE] If you don't take such thing seriously why then you use it as example? That's bullshit, everyone knows that's bullshit. No one reacts to this, and that's wasn't even connected to Syria. How this makes "border-conflict" or war any closer to reality?
[QUOTE=gudman;37936361]If you don't take such thing seriously why then you use it as example? That's bullshit, everyone knows that's bullshit. No one reacts to this, and that's wasn't even connected to Syria. How this makes "border-conflict" or war any closer to reality?[/QUOTE] Because I wanted to. And it doesn't make it any closer in my opinion, and examples don't need to be connected. Do you really want to derail further or are you going to keep questioning why I used X word in X sentence in X paragraph in X post. But for the sake of simplicity and mutual understanding I'll edit my post.
What i think is is happening, is the rebels are going in and out of turkey, and Syria's thought fuck it, let's keep hitting the bastards. It's like the situation in Afghanistan, where the terrorists jump in and out of Iran.
[QUOTE=The Pretender;37931786]I'm surprised they haven't taken stronger action. I'd expect something along the lines of a war declaration by the second time, let along the fourth.[/QUOTE] The problem is this is a war on their border. Its OK for the rest of the world to sit around and say something should be done, because if it is or isn't it wont effect us. They would be at war with a country on their border that could legitimately drive over it and start attacking.
My dad is on a plane right now to Turkey...
[QUOTE=Chernarus;37936395]But for the sake of simplicity and mutual understanding I'll edit my post.[/QUOTE] Okay, now I don't have any questions left.
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